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===[[User:Yonnua Koponen]]===
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I've been in two minds about running for a while. I've decided that I'm going to run, hence why you're reading this promotion bid. So, here's the rundown. I've been an active member of the community for about a year, and a decent member of the community for about 4 months. I have almost 6000 contributions, and I regularly maintain orphaned pages, take care of suburb news archival, and do other janitorial tasks that crop up, like demerging pages. I'd like to run for promotion to help push admin tasks through as and when they're due. I'm frequently on when few other people, let alone sysops, are, as I'm online pretty much most of the time. Also, with only 4-6 active sysops, I feel we could always do with more people churning things through. Last time I ran, I was mainly rejected because of my attitude towards drama, something I've been trying to avoid since the last bid, and, despite a few hiccups, I feel it is something which I have achieved. Now, I throw myself at the mercy of you [[Example Page|Donkeys]], the ruling crats, and whoever else ambles by.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 23:13, 23 April 2010 (BST)

*'''<big>VOUCH</big>''' Also I claim that donkey. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 23:32, 23 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' 2nd. Plus hes capable. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 23:34, 23 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Against''' - I can't really explain this one, it's just that I get vaguely nauseous whenever I picture you ruling on A/VB cases and Misconduct cases and whatnot. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with you in that role and there really isn't a whole lot to do specificially as a sysop apart from that (Deletions and Speedy Deletions are both incredibly light workloads except in rare extreme cases). Also avoiding drama isn't really what people want in a sysop (Rooster cops a decent amount of flak for his policy of never voting on Misconduct or A/VB); they want someone who ''does'' get involved in it but manages to handle it effectively. I don't feel as though you can do that. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 23:53, 23 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Weak Against''' - 0.2% of your last 500 edits were to building reports. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 00:41, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Against''' - You gotta be shittin me.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>00:56 24 April 2010(UTC)</tt>
*<s>Abstain</s> '''Vouch''' - I'll give some serious thought to it over the next few days, but to some extent, I gotta say that I agree with Cyberbob. It's not about avoiding drama: it's about handling it well, and I'm not sure I trust you completely to do that just yet. Last time you were up, you had made a series of poor decisions around that time, which are still somewhat hard to let go when considering promotions. In the last few months, however, you've been a pretty upstanding member of the community. Your janitorial work around the wiki is very welcome (though those orphan notices, while helpful, are kinda annoying, especially when you put them in obnoxious places :P), and you do a lot to keep things clean and in working order. I'd definitely trust you with the janitorial work, but when it comes to making judgments...kinda the gut feeling thing is an issue. For now, question: what role do you see yourself playing when it comes to making decisions in A/VB, A/M, and similar situations? Will you be active, semi-active, or inactive there, and if you're not inactive, how will you approach cases? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:59, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*:Frankly, I'd like to say I'd be active in all areas of the wiki, but VB is the one I sometimes seem to miss in rounds around the wiki. So, I guess, from that perspective, I'd be semi-active in VB, but I'd try to be really active. Naturally, for the first week or two of being a sop, I'd try to hold back in most cases, and wouldn't rule until other sysops had (making decisions about things on a whim is fine, but as a sysop, I'd have to be alot more careful). If you're wondering how I'd deal with the pressure of complex and drama-filled cases, I'll direct you to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki_talk%3AAdministration%2FVandal_Banning%2FArchive%2F2009_11&diff=1592636&oldid=1592631 this case], where the ruling I suggested on the talk was eventually used in the case.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 09:42, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*::I've changed my stance. I really liked Giles' comment below, and Maverick and I have been discussing your bid over the last few days on IRC (speaking of which, you should be on there more). Your taste in cheese really does leave a lot to be desired (can't even tell your parmesans apart, pfft), and I don't know that I trust you entirely still when it comes to judgment calls, especially in the heat of the moment, but I'm willing to give you a shot at it. Learn the ropes, learn your way around, try your darndest to do right by everyone, and don't make any major gaffs. Not much more we can ask. Except save the world. That'd be a lot to ask. Maybe you could just give us all cookies instead? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:44, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*:::{{Cookie|Yonnua|Everyone|reason=forgiving his poor taste in cheese.}}--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 15:57, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Promote him!''' - he needs to be doing more work around here. I won't deny Bob raises a very good point about vandal cases and what not, but with the over all lack of good wiki people around here, hes always been around and always making edits and asking questions. If he wants to take it a step further I say let him, worst thing that happens if he sucks at dealing with drama in which case he follows what everyone else says. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 03:23, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*:Follow what everyone else says? Wow. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 04:08, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*::I think your missing the point. If everyone showed up and voted vandalism would you sit there and read everything everyone wrote and come up with a not vandalism or would you be lazy and see that everyone else voted vandalism. My point exactly. --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 06:22, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*:::If you knew anything about my track record as a sysop I don't think you would have made that assumption. Being lazy about A/VB rulings like that is fucking retarded and I hope you never run for sysop. {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 06:27, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*:::: I never planned on, too much work. Yes I have seen some of what you have spoken about on A/VB and A/M --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 18:25, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' to Yonnua. When he initially wanted to be an op I didn't like it because he never actually formulated his own opinions or articulated useful points on the administration cases he commented on, he just hovered around. Now he is pro-active in his mass-editing tasks he partakes in and is also a very helpful and nice member of the community. His activity has still remained sound and I like the guy, always helping out the ops and regular users when necessary. Go yon! --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 06:38, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' FUCK YEAH SEAKING--{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} 09:44, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - I've always been annoyed by those orphan links popping up on my talk page the very nanosecond that I create a new page.  What this demonstrates is that yon is obsessively tending to the order of the wiki, which is a pretty good sign for a sysop I think.  Also, anyone who wants it this bad should at least have a chance to show what they can do.  Good luck to you.--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 13:03, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Weak Against''' I like Yonnua, but I have this thing against self-nomination. [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:19, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' While the self-nomination is muchachos suspicious, (<s>s</s>)he is a good candidate. [[User:Infrastructure|Infrastructure]] 16:21, 24 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - Seconding DDR's points. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 10:49, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Against''' - I like Yonnua where he is. -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 15:18, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - Will further nonexistent wiki-friendly shadow-plots and others of similar ilk.{{User:Lelouch/sig}} 15:28, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' mostly because bob voted no. and thirding?? DDR's points.----[[User:Sexualharrison|sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] ¯\([[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]])/¯ 17:01, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' --[[User:Armpit Odor|<span style="color:red"><sup>A</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>R</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>D</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>M</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>O</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>P</sup><span style="color:green"><sub>R</sub><span style="color:red"><sup>I</sup><span style="color:green"><sub> ! </sub><span style="color:red"><sup>T</sup></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>]] 17:45, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' --[[User:Mobius187|Mobius]] 20:20, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Question''' Look at me not making my intention clear. What area of the wiki needs most improvement? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:49, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*:Well, truthfully, I think the wiki's main problem at the moment is that things have just stopped on several major projects. The glossary category tag was removed from loads of pages, but now we've just dropped those pages in the system, and not done anything with them. Likewise, demerging is still going on, but it's happening at a pretty slow rate. Something like the GSGM would speed things up and really make the wiki more functional. Following that, the demerged locations would need more flavour text. Hopping around on randompage gives a gloomy glimpse at how few locations have exciting wiki-pages. I also think we need to streamline Welcome newbie. Frankly, I don't think it's effective for the majority of newbies, and I know that when I got the template I just deleted it straight away. If we can find a better way to get newbs educated and involved, I feel it would avoid things like the Battle of Krinks fiasco, and more precisely its horrific spillout on to admin pages. But, whatever, drama is inevitable. It's just trying to find ways that keep a cap on it, and help new users avoid shitstorms.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 21:25, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*::Why do any of these things require sysop buttons? {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 23:51, 25 April 2010 (BST)
*:::I didn't think his question was asking me what the most important usage of buttons should be in the near future was, I thoguht he was asking me what area of the wiki needs the most improvement. Besides, WN is protected, and a GSGM of demerged pages would require lots of scheduled deletioning by sysops.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 00:24, 26 April 2010 (BST)
*::::'''Question'''. What have you learnt from your previous bids for sysophood? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:50, 27 April 2010 (BST)
*:::::Damn you and your questions of doom. Right, so, from my first brief bid, I learnt that experience is vitally important. Hence, if I am successful, I'll be sure to take a back seat for the first couple of weeks, make sure I don't make stupid errors in my understanding, and get a good picture of things from the sysop side before I go all the way in. My second bid taught me that I need to be patient with things, which kind of links in with the above. I can't make rash judgements or assume that people know something that they don't. My prior conflict with FLZombie, who gave me an against on my bid, showed me that if I just assume that people, however abbrasive they are, know everything about the wiki, I can end up causing unnecessary drama and problems. Hence, in future, whether I make sysop or not, I'm going to ensure I fully understand the situation before I approach it, something i feel I have started to do, but need to continue.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:02, 27 April 2010 (BST)

*'''Vouch''' I was going to vote against as I agreed with Cyber about the A/VB, but then I read The Colonel and Bobs responses and I realised that the wiki needs people like Yonnua. Good luck. --[[User:C Whitty|C Whitty]] 09:48, 26 April 2010 (BST)

*'''Vouch''' I agree with The Colonel and Bobs response too. We need people like him and less drama bitches.--[[User:Kralion|Kralion]] 20:10, 26 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' I like Yonnua's style and he makes good contributions to the wiki.  I think he would make a good Sysop.  Also he helped me with some of my orphaned pages. --{{User:Quentin Julius/Sig2}} 01:23, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Weak against''' - Was it something I ate?  --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:24, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*:Well SOMETHING has to be the reason for the bug up your arse ;) --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 01:41, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*<s>'''Questions!'''</s> '''Vouch''' I haven't been able to decide, so you get another question or three to answer for now. You've done some good work on the wiki of late, particularly with orphans (as others have pointed out). However, you have been able to do all of that without the use of the coveted SysOp buttons. Is access to those buttons really going to make any of the work you're doing easier (as compared to asking a current SysOp to deal with a small part of a project)? You have indicated that you have tried to be more active in the Administration areas, so I must ask if those are areas that you feel comfortable in dealing with often and as neutrally as possible? Finally (and perhaps most important), what is your favorite flavour of cheese and why? --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 07:49, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*:First off, yes, it'll help reduce some of the workload of demerging pages, as I'll be able to instantly delete them when I'm done as a scheduled. Also, more often in the past than now, but it sometimes happens, the best page to put an orphan on is protected, and so orphans of subpages of groups such as the dead end up being put in really weird places. I'm definitely comfortable in dealing with admin areas neutrally, as seen by my recent arbitration of a case. You also have my word as a gentleman. And my favourite variety of cheese is the Krazy Monkey variety.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 08:07, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*::That or parmesan.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 08:07, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*:::The crumbly type, shredded type, or fresh grated type? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:13, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*::::The one that the crazy Italian man offers me at Bottelinos. So I think that may be shredded, but I can't be certain.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 08:18, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*:::::While your taste of cheese leaves much to be desired, I will take your word as a gentlemen that you shall refrain from douchebaggery and understand that committing said douchebaggery will result in my shouting and loosing dogs upon you. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 08:25, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Against''' I don't feel comfortable with Yonnua having the Keys to the Ban-Stick cupboard... Not saying I think he would abuse the power; just that I don't trust his judgment. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:03, 28 April 2010 (BST)
*:If you feel that to be a valid reason against someone's promotion, I don't think you understand how the bans process works here. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 13:33, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*::I understand the process pretty well actually and I still don't think I want to see Yonnua's self confessed tendency to jump the gun being backed up by a right to rule on A?VB cases. That page above all others needs to be approached with complete neutrality and lack of bias and i don't think Yonnua has demonstrated that level of self control yet.--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 16:44, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Yarpasauruses''' -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 02:55, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' {{:User:Red Hawk One/sig}} 05:24, 29 April 2010 (BST)
*'''<big>AGAINST</big>''' - I heard he has some non-white blood in him. --{{User:WOOT/sig}} 19:41, 30 April 2010 (BST)
*: :o --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 22:23, 30 April 2010 (BST)
*<s>'''Vouch''' Let's give him a chance, shall we?--[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-co0lor: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 22:23, 30 April 2010 (BST)</s>
*:'''Against''' Wrong political motivation >:( --[[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]][[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''''Thadeous Oakley''''']][[Image:Umbrella-White.png|14px]]</span> 23:50, 6 May 2010 (BST)
*'''Against'''. Sorry. --[[User:Akbar|Akbar]] 02:24, 1 May 2010 (BST)
*'''Vouch''' - This is really unorthodox, but Hagnat requested about 9 months ago that if Yonnua ever went for ops, that I vouch on his behalf... So, I guess as per my promise, can the crats consider this a vouch from Hagnat? --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 05:30, 2 May 2010 (BST)
*:Given Hagnat is active enough to vote on the Generals appraisal I think he is quite able to put his own vouch/against here don't you? And even if he wasn't I think a vote from the grave like this is pretty unreasonable. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 08:09, 4 May 2010 (BST)
*::Thank god I asked for the crats input and not yours. Unlike you it seems, I prefer to pursue past promises I made to others. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 11:21, 4 May 2010 (BST)
*:::thing is though, Hagnat is more than able to put his own opinion here as he is still (sort of) active. What you have put is a 2nd vouch signed by yourself using the justification "Hagnat asked me too". Also what you have done is aked if the crats can consider a proxy vote and I have put forth an answer to that question in a polite and reasonable way, so why the combatative response? --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 13:25, 4 May 2010 (BST)
*::::Cause you have nothing to do with it, that's why. I'm just doing something hagnat asked me to do. If it's that much of a big deal, the ''crats'' will ask him for clarification, but I don't care because I was asked to do this and I'm just fulfilling a request. Also, it doesn't matter nearly as much as what would justify your concern because, let's face it, hagnat's vouch carries pretty much as little weight to the crats as someone's vouch could possibly carry on this wiki. But that's not for me to judge, because, again, I was asked to do this and I'm just fulfilling a request. Don't shoot the messenger. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 00:26, 5 May 2010 (BST)
*::::::Not trying to shoot the messenger, merely pointing out that I do not agree with the principle of "proxy" votes regardless of the weight they carry. --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 11:58, 5 May 2010 (BST)
*:::::::I appreciate that. You're free to contact hagnat about it if you think it's a major issue, and I would if I didn't think it was; he literally vouches anyway, and it's one of the instances where it's both a matter of principle and practice where hagnat's vouch doesn't matter in either way. I'm just going through with what I promised I'd do for him, tis all. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig3}} 18:14, 5 May 2010 (BST)
*::::: Regardless of if Hagnat vouches or not there is an overwhelming majority of users who feel confident that Yonnua can handle himself with the buttons. You can write the unofficial Hagnat vote as a No and still he would make it in at this point. Also asking Hagnat to come here and lay claim when he was inactive for nearly two month and then made 1 edit regarding the status of The General's re-evaluation is asking a lot, for all you know it could be a month before he comes back here to post anything due to technical difficulties he is having.  --{{User:The Colonel/Sig}} 01:41, 5 May 2010 (BST)
*'''Weak Vouch''' - I'm hungry. {{User:Met fan/sig}} 21:59, 3 May 2010 (BST)

After discussion with Boxy and based off the community feedback, the decision has been made to '''promote''' Yonnua. Areas of concern outlined in his previous promotion bid seem to be less of an issue now, and although several people are uneasy about gifting him the buttons of power, no overwhelming reason not to promote him existed. Recent events such as overseeing an arbitration case and increasing presence in discussion areas has given Yonnua much needed experience. 

Congratulations, I'll promote you in a couple of hours, when I can see my desk. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:52, 7 May 2010 (BST)

:'''Promoted''' --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:48, 7 May 2010 (BST)

::Thanks. I'd like to say thank you to the ruling crats, everyone who registered an opinion, whether vouching, or offering me constructive criticism to help me improve myself more and finally all of the wiki's regular and irregular contributors who help keep it running and keep it as great as it is.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 16:31, 7 May 2010 (BST)
:::you can improve yourself by not posting trite shit like the above {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 16:38, 7 May 2010 (BST)