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==New is better==

Format wide I prefer the set up of [[Monroeville]]. Malton is all well and good but its not hugely informative. Borehamwood just needs a good old clean. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Titles ==

*Playing in (City Name)

Explaining how to sign up, it its still open etc.

Differences from Malton

*Mapping

Links to map, overall map of regions if appropriate.

*Groups

Links to the group categories for the city

*Buildings

Large structure, unique structures to the city etc.

*Section on new stuff

Rule changes, things added or missing.

somewhere a template for population.

All history kept on a separate page as its all conjecture. I'd also lose the silly list of PRE OUTBREAK GROUPS on the Malton page. Talk about free advertising. In fact the malton page is terrible (apart from the motto), --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
: malton's pre-outbreak unnoficial background were written years before monroeville showed up. We must find a middle-group between the current fanfic centred page it currently is and the technical centred information we have for MV and BW. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 21:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::Not really, [[Lexicon|it already exists]]. Just move it to [[Lexicon:Malton]].--<span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Karek|Judge Karke]], self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All</span> 01:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::: I was reading my [[The Great Mall Project|old project]] the other day, and found it interesting that people had written some description and background history for each mall. This way, the mall pages were interesting and useful at same time. I think something like that will have to be done with the city pages... or atleast for Malton, which background history already exists. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 16:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== categories ==

i was just thinking here, and realized that [[:Category:City]] is only one option these pages should be categorized on. Other options are

* [[:Category:City]]
* [[:Category:Scenario]]
* [[:Category:Map]]

or, like Malton is
* [[:Category:Glossary]]

which one should be used, and can anyone think of other better options to categorize these pages on ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 00:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:City,or indeed cities. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:: I dont like plurals, so [[:Category:City]] it is. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 16:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== 3 cities ? ==

i have just realized that urban dead does not have only 3 cities... it has 3 scenarios, but in two of them there are more than one city. Monroeville has Monroeville, Oak Hill and Newtown, while Borehamwood has Borehamwood, Radleet and Elstree. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 16:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:Come on! Their boroughs or suburbs. Just like Brixton is part of London or (thinks) Queens is part of New york. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Or Hilldale in Hill Valley. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::: Yet they are cities. I understand your point, my city too has a few suburbs who claim to be independent cities, but serve for nothing but a dorm for my city industry. I wont change the category, or how we call the trio of cities, but it was just a thought i had in mind --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 17:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah. ''Thinking''. Want to do a sweep of location pages? Get them all moved to the right city?--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ive done all the random buildings in BHW. thoughts of [[Big Brother House]]? [[Big Brother House (Borehamwood)]] ? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I dont think moving the big brother house location page is really needed. After all, it's an unique location which will surely not be recreated in other future cities. Same reasoning could be used for malls, but there are malls in every city, therefore they need to be told apart. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 23:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:[[Monroeville Mall]] redirects. Appropriate system? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Malton]]? ==

Firstly, love the name.

Secondly, any idea of what should go in [[:Category:Malton]]? I've just started to add things like suburb pages and notable buildings (malls, the forts, etc,) but is there anything else? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'd leave it at that. Over the last 2 days ive managed to move every single borehamwood building to its building name (Borehamwood) namespace, then I'll do Monroeville. Should make things a bit clearer. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::All large buildings done, as well as the first twenty suburbs. I'll wrap it up tomorrow, but they are there if someone wants something to do. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I think ive correctly categorised every borehamwood page now. What's the next step? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Next step, once Category:Malton is done, will be create a common layout for each city, and apply it to them. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 14:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Shall we [[Style Up!|make them look pretty]] too? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 14:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm running through Monroeville pages first. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'll be able to do some formatting stuff, but I can't do photoshop. Can anyone do photoshop? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 14:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Style up! would be an awesome addition to the city pages. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 14:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

:I've got photoshop somewhere. I'll see what i can do.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== The City Template ==

i've begun creating the [[:Template:City|city template]]. It's based on the [[:Template:Suburb|suburb templat]]. Any suggestions for what useful information could be added to it ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 14:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Number of players (segregated into survivors and zombies) and a map link would be nice. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 14:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::A city flag or logo. Keep the Malton one, add the pictures from the population templates for the other two cities.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Monroeville pages are now all categorised. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 15:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Bored==

Thoughts?

[[Image:City copy.png]]

[[Image:roe copy.png]]

--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::You're bored? I just logged into my Monroeville surivor for the second time since I made it. The first was when I actually made it. Everyhting is ruined, I have a bunch of equipment, level one, and nothing to do. I'm going to spend the next month trying to either find something to kill for xp, or trying to find a book or something. Seriously, I have no idea how I'm going to get anything done. :/ --<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 19:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Really. Ive got a level one zombie idled. he could try and eat you. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I have a level one idled zombie too. I'm tempted to zerg myself and get XP. :D --<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 19:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have a better idea, I'll find a friend who still has an alt and doesn't care, and I'll have him shamble over to me so I can repeatedly kill it! Whoo!--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 20:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I have a living alt who just unidled too in South Monroeville! I've been wandering around the city saying hi to zombies who I meet outside ruined buildings. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 21:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Man, I haven't seen a single thing since I started again. MY friend said I could kill his zombie though, so free xp. No head shot perma right?--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 22:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:The background on the Malton is noice. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::I just don't know what to do for borehamwood. maybe a diary room chair? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:My main concern with these images is that there is too much detail on them. therefore they draw too much attention to themselves rather than to the article they are merely supposed to illustrate. Im a minimalist and a perfectionist, so, if you are planning to create images for these pages, beware that there are dragons here :) --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 21:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::I'll have another go, im putting the malton one somewhere. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Not bad, but Hagnat has a point. Try for something closer to [[:Image:Gameplay.jpg|these]] [[:Image:Guides t.jpg|ones.]] {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== color schema ==

just having a thought here about the layout, and i was defining different colour schemas for each city... malton would be green (the same green seen in the game's logo), monroeville would be blue (the same blue used in the population template) and monroeville would be dark red. Any objections ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 22:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:btw, why dont we have a population template for malton like we have for the other cities ? --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 22:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::because you haven't made it yet! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Meh. I'll do it laters. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Why does monroeville have 2 colours and [[Suburb Nicknames#Cities|BNW]] have zero?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

{{Malton Population}}-done. Thoughts? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Use the green colour scheme from my userpage. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


Better? Going in the right Direction?

[[Image:Green copy.png]]

--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 22:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

:"''One does not simply quit Urban Dead. I should know"'' Hehe. I think it should be less height, more width, but whatever.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Discuss it amongst yourself, for now I sleep. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 23:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Nice! Gnomes right, it should be longer so it can fit into [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Help/b|one of his example userpages]] (all we really need to do is remove the navbar and change the colors.) [[:Image:Example header.jpg|Here]] is an example header. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 00:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Come for the zombies, stay for the community?--<font face="Pristina"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 00:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Malton-header.gif]]
its a raw idea... --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 01:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

==It's a start, at least...==
[[User:Linkthewindow/Generic Sandpit|Thoughts?]] It needs a lot more content, as I've only taken the first paragraph from the top of the current [[Malton]] page (the rest should be moved to it's own page.) I, for one suggest adding a short (post-outbreak) history and links to other Malton pages. Thoughts? Hagnat's image makes a good placeholder-if anyone else wants to make one, I suggest around 750-800 px across. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Personally the side bar looks terrible, something a bit less overstated please? Links there can include, malls, forts, suburb map, recruitment page, building types. The number of nt's etc is irrelevant i feel, and the population should easily be editable in haggies template. I'd also darken the background. Hold on I'll try my own. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:: A bit like this? [[User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox31]]--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Good, but I don't like the background color (green,) and it would be nice if the image and table line up. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 21:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Effort! I'm still brainstorming here. hag suggested green so I went that route. Its a problem with links showing up mind. That and spelling. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. You might want to change the colors on those external links too/to white or gray as they glare out a bit too much in the current version. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I liked link's idea to put the mini-suburb map in the sidebar, and i liked ross idea to place the coat of arms and the link section. I have made some changed to the city template to improve its aestethics value. Maybe if we mixed them all together we could create something nice --22:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:btw, the background of the logo needs some abstract effect... something subtle, not fancy enough to draw attention away of the city name. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 22:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:I don't really see why we need opening/closing dates on a Malton template, for Malton we might just be better off subst-ing it in. It will give us more room so we can have all that stuff without having a massive, ugly sidebar. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::MY TOYS MY RULES. mpf. <!-- i am totally fine with removing whatever info the sidebar might contain that is useless to one city or another -->  --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 23:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

==Soooooooo==
We've got three drafts. what do people like, what do people not like? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:We could try one and see if anyone complains. I think the side bar on them could be adjusted though. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

==Borehamwood==
Every single page relating to borehamwood should now be fully catergorised and moved to the correct place. anyone else alive? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:i was rather busy in the previous weeks, so i couldnt focus my attention to the project. Will return in two weeks and resume working on it. --<small>—The preceding [[Special:Listusers/sysop|signed]] comment was added by [[User:Hagnat|Hagnat]] ([[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hagnat|contribs]]) at</small> 19:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::{{*}}Wakes up* I'll get the rest of the Malton pages categorized today. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)