UDWiki talk:Administration/Arbitration/AegisTyra vs Dhavid Grohl

You bet your ass I'm taking you to arbies ross! That was a shit ruling and you know it! >:( -- SA 21:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect I dislike the ruling for entirely different reasons, but I agree in principle. --AegisTyra 23:17, 25 November 2009 (GMT)

If you saw the edit summary for that edit, you'd see that I actually lied.-- SA 00:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm having a difficult time understanding how you justify the removal of your (and possibly others') name(s) from a POV group page. If I am understanding this right, you want them off because you believe/claim/says they are false. The ZU wants them up because they believe/claim/say they are true. I would say that there is no practical way to verify either set of claims, so we are left looking at the impact of the statements. I cannot see how their accusations (as such) would affect you in the real world, and such PK lists are an accepted part of the UD game experience (having a very long history back through the Brainstock and Desensitized forums). The policy in question specifically states to not take such claims at face value (hence "good serving of salt"). I cannot see what rights of yours are transgressed then if the claims remain up. The removal of the statements directly impinges the group's wiki rights as towards personal page content and is effectively censorship under the Specific Case Editing Guidelines. So leaving the claims up is the minimal infraction of wiki rights.

I would hope you're not confusing real world rights (and laws) with the wiki's set. According to the wiki's policies, the ZU are in the clear. I doubt (although I am not a lawyer) that anything said so far is RL damaging and thus you might have a hard time convincing a lawyer of the existence of a libel case. As an example, my claiming on my talk page that "Rosslessness' characters turn tricks outside of The_Allsop_Arms, noming hard cock in returns for handfuls of stoned brains" is an insulting claim about a fictional set of characters, and as I understand the wiki's policies, therefor fair game. Ross can always reply on his page that he thinks my character Gur'mrgle is the lead cabana boy for the MOB and prefers it unlubed "since undeath tends to dull the nerves". Thus the admonition to take it with a grain of salt. I can't however maintain that Rosslessness (the player) raped and killed a girl in 1999. Regardless of the freedom of speech rights I have in RL and the personal sanctity of my talkpages as dictated by Policy:SCEG, that's saying something about Ross personally, and last time I checked, actionable in a court of law.

If you're really about reducing drama on the wiki, my suggestion is to do as the guidelines suggest. Let it roll off your back. Say something back on your page, or better yet, ignore them. In short, be the better person. Anything else is just feeding the drama. -Wulfenbach 09:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I do believe the year in question was 1990, good sir. --ZsL 09:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)