UDWiki talk:Administration/De-Escalations/Archive/2013

Archive?

So I try to look at zoomi's old cases and I get error messages for the actual evidence. I didn't try all of them, but I tried a few. Would this be information that was lost to a purge? --_K 02:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Also are there any arbitration cases related to all this? I didn't notice any. --_K 02:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah history purge deleted everything prior to about August 2008. Most of the Izumi stuff was late 2007. I'm not aware of any Arbies cases. It was A/VB at the drop of a hat a lot back then. ~ _{02:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)}

A/VD sites a lot of the cases, there's obviously no contributions for purge reasons but, there was no arbitration case. On the first case she was editing in false locations for where Mall Tour was going. On the second case she was intentionally falsifying Ridleybank and Barrville danger levels. The third was her editing deleting a users post on their group page, if I recall correctly. The fourth case was her using three different alts to edit the Lockettside Valkaries page. The fourth case is quite self explanatory but for simplicity's sake: she was again editing another groups page in this case to remove her group from a KoS list. The Fifth case is again self explanatory, it's the required escalation for sock puppetry. And the final escalation was again another case of alt abuse. Followed by exactly, now, 100 cases of alts made to circumvent bans. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 04:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Ban-Circumvention: Policy?

Hey y'all. Over on A/VB, Thad put up a case reporting Izumi (as Kitakaze) for circumventing the ban to make an account to comment on this case. No verdict has yet been taken; both sitting bureaucrats have agreed to postpone the ruling until after the ongoing vote here at A/DE. As Spiderzed said, it's technically ban avoidance, but we're letting it slide. In my brief sweep of the A/DE archive, I don't see any precedent of someone having made such an account before.

The difficulty arises in that the creation of the Kitakaze account seems to have come up in a couple of the votes against on this page, and has been causing some consternation on behalf of users. I was wondering what people's attitude would be toward a clarification of policy which allows a user up for an unban vote to create a temporary account, which could be used to comment on matters related to the vote but nothing else? How restrictive should it be (the unban case only, its talk page, user talk pages on the subject of the vote?) Presumably if the vote fails, the new account would be banned when voting closes (if it succeeds, it would probably be banned as well as the main account is unbanned).

Comments? Thoughts? Am I wasting time I should be spending on my thesis? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 05:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Work on your thesis Permabans often come with IP bans, which means we'd be forcing people into using proxies to create new accounts. There's a policy for that too. What the sops are doing with Izumi's a/vb case is technically incorrect imo but I don't think anyone cares that much. Make it a policy, however and watch all the perma banned people ask for an appeal just to get their alt account unbanned for two weeks. ~ _{05:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)}

There is no required time limit for coming to an A/VB verdict. We are just keeping the case on hold, as it might well be that the alt account issue becomes a moot point after a successful appeal. I consider the decision to go-slow on a particular case well within the discretion of the sys-op team. -- Spiderzed█ 06:24, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The only real precedence that applies, strangely enough, relates to Izumi. We've had "conversations" with his alts before, brief ones, discussing things quickly (ie. "why was i banned" "ur a cunt") before the ban was put in place. I think this is a bit lenient but logical as per Karek's comment on the main page. A ZOMBIE ANT 07:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh also Cornholioo appeared with a fake account once and we asked him to convince us he wasn't cornholioo, which he refused to do. The conversation happened on A/VB and he was eventually banned when he stopped responding to our lines of enquiry regarding his real IP, etc. I'm sure Aichon would remember the case (I might try and find it when i get back into the country later this week) A ZOMBIE ANT 07:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)