UDWiki talk:Administration/Sysop Archives/Haliman111/2009-05-12 Promotion

• Against - Umbrella relations fiasco. Also, the friend vouch thing doesn't matter because...

• 1. They don't have too many edits all in all, let alone in admin sections so they probably don't even know if you'd be capable to handle it or not.
  2. They're your friends and don't say anything other than "He's a good guy and doesn't afraid of anything". No citing of example or anything.
  3. Large amounts of vouches don't work because this isn't a vote.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 11:06, 12 May 2009 (BST)

  Excellent understanding of how it works. N.3 should actually work, I mean, the sysops (who decide in the end) do look at the number of vouches AKA community support right? But yeah, they are not part of the community like you specified in N.1 and N.2. All I am saying, he is better of removing his friends, since asking them in the first place isn't worthy sysops behavior anyway.--Thadeous Oakley 11:19, 12 May 2009 (BST)

  Of course I understand how it works, I'm a 'crat. I have to help decide if a bid fails or not, remember? :P --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 11:34, 12 May 2009 (BST)

  Just a minor technicality - it's the bureaucrats, not the sysops that do the "deciding," and more weight has always been given to the opinion of experienced users in these things. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:30, 12 May 2009 (BST)

  Alright, thanks guys, another thing learned.--Thadeous Oakley 12:08, 12 May 2009 (BST)

  Lots of people's friends and teammates vote for them. Barhah.com people often vote en bloc -- not because we're ordered to or have some kind of "hive mind", but because we often share similar viewpoints. Same goes for the DEM when they actually use the wiki. A few groups from his group isn't a giant problem, and isn't why I said no. --WanYao 22:01, 12 May 2009 (BST)

• It's completely pointless to express a preference now that a 'crat that will still be serving come decision time has said he's against your candidacy. Promotions cannot occur on a deadlocked decision, so the most you can get is one 'crat for and one against which is no promotion. This is now taking up space. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:44, 12 May 2009 (BST)

If that would be the case, then it would be utterly pointless to let the community's opinion be heard. Besides, it's the community that chooses and supports the bureaucrats. I think its safe to assume that the bureaucrats listen to the community voice. Cuz if they don't......well.. --Thadeous Oakley 13:09, 12 May 2009 (BST)

It is now useless for the community's voice to be heard, well done for reading exactly what I put and saying it again. With one 'crat against it's pointless for the other 'crat to be for because it still won't result in promotion. SA's against makes it quite clear he's not going to give assent to this promotion so this still being here is pointless. Your pseudo threat of misconduct is simply laughable, understand the circumstances before you try again, misconduct only works if the person you take to misconduct is disliked by the other sysops, if it was about objective principles can you imagine how many demotions would have occurred after the witchhunt they had to incorrectly remove J3D? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:31, 12 May 2009 (BST)

I meant that its pointless to do then in the first place. Leave promotion deciding completely to the bureaucrats. Also, your mum. --Thadeous Oakley 13:09, 12 May 2009 (BST)

I see Iscariot still has no balls to run for sysop. Hell, if you did I would vote for you just to shut you up.--SirArgo ^Talk 05:13, 13 May 2009 (BST)

I see you're still being a lying shit and popping back up when it suits you. There are three people I'd accept a nomination from, a serving 'crat, a current candidate and a former sysop that was incorrectly removed. You want me to stand? Go convince one of these to nominate me. Good luck on that. The decision isn't mine, it's theirs', but feel free to continue to sound like a member of TZH in the meantime. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:37, 13 May 2009 (BST)

Congratulations Iscariot, you're still a dumb ass. Just because I say my opinion on a bid from the start doesn't mean the person has no chance at being promoted. It just means that if it were being judged on my merit he wouldn't become a sysops. If the community decides that they want him despite my little reasoning, then he's a sysops. Please, go fail at wiki somewhere else.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 11:24, 13 May 2009 (BST)

So you're actually telling me if we had a mass invasion again and they contributed for two months and then used sheer numbers to gain a majority through this process you'd promote each and every candidate? No you wouldn't, this is the one area we expect judgement to overrule pure numerical advantage, that's why the community votes you 'crat rather than the position being a rotating one. The community votes you in and expects you to use your own judgement and opinion when ruling on promotions. Sysops aren't moderators but 'crats are implicitly supposed to use their own opinion and judgement to prevent people being meat puppeted into getting the buttons. If this was down to the community there wouldn't be a 'crat veto. Your assent is required in order for this candidate to gain promotion, if you give it even with such reservations as you put forward in your vote then you are failing the community as a 'crat. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:37, 13 May 2009 (BST)

Does negative attention make you feel better?--Thadeous Oakley 12:33, 13 May 2009 (BST)

Fine Iscariot, I lied! I haven't been gone because of your pettiness and strange belief that this Wiki is more important that life itself, I have been gone because I was busy losing twenty pounds with NutraSlim®. You know NutraSlim® is powerful and good considering it is packed with the essential minerals and vitamin needed to power your body to the edge, creating rapid and safe weight loss. Diets aren't for everyone, but everyone can enjoy a cup of tea now and then. Why, I lost 20 pounds in the first two months! I guarantee you will lose up to fifty pounds in five months, or I will give your money back.... Oh wait, where was I. Oh yes that's right, I lied no where and it seems as though Iscariot still has the lovely disposition that the current administration sucks, but is too fucking lazy to fix the place. Even though, for some reason, this place is the most srs one in all existance on the net, where any minuscule human error should be held against those who made it (barring Iscariot of course, due to the fact that he is an almighty god).--SirArgo ^Talk 22:49, 13 May 2009 (BST)

Loosely quoting Cyberbob: "Your resistance only makes his penis harder". Perhaps if you spent your time ignoring him (or even dealing with him on a professional level, though I like to trust that's over your head at the best of times) and actually contributed to the wiki, perhaps, with more people like that, this place will become less of a shithole than you would like to believe. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:56, 14 May 2009 (BST)

Don't fucking ever tell me what to do knowing nothing of the past. I have tried to be civil with him, he hated that more than this. Don't tell me I have done nothing useful on here either. Sure recently I haven't, but in the past I have done a lot of shit. And I think it's hilarious how you think you are so upstanding. What makes you the Overlord of the wiki? What makes you so damn special? I'm not trolling any more than anyone else, I can post what I want as long as it is within the rules. Fact is, if Iscariot dishes out his shit than I shall dish out mine back. End of story.--SirArgo ^Talk 02:40, 14 May 2009 (BST)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and propose that your age is less than 15. --Cyberbob 06:07, 14 May 2009 (BST)