Talk:Lamport Hills/Archive
Whitin Drive
Why is Whitin Drive a revive point when their is a cemetary one block SE? If you follow the Sacred Ground policy, then is it really that much harder going on block SE to do revives? Plus there is far less likely a chance that zombies wanting revives will die there, as more people follow the SGP than don't.
Also, who do I talk to about changes being made to the UBP for Lamport Hills? Anybody? From what I could see, no RP were marked on the map, and some of the things are incorrectly labeled. Please let me know. Thanks, --Vikermac 19:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree Whitin Drive should not be a revive point but I cannot figure out what organization runs it. Whoever they are, they actually labeled the cemetery to redirect people to Whitin Drive. None of the tags in the area seem to identify with a particular group, except those made by zombie spies. Also, I don't think there is a currently existing policy for Lamport right now, at least not one that's recognized, so I submitted the one below for review. --Wfjeff 00:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Vikermac, I thought we had a discussion going at the Arms. You kow full well that Within Drive is not at all "closed" let alone "officially". I 'll go update it now and please leave it at that.
As I said in game, we were there all this time, taking care of things. Don't come and make such a fuss just because of a policy. OK buddy? --Shy 18:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, in the Arms they said that they were okay moving things to the cemetary, as long as things didn't stack up again. I was under the impression that most people were okay with moving things to the cemetary, especially considering there is another revive point at McLean monument. Can I ask why Whitin Drive is so important, just out of curiousity? --Vikermac 21:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Because we take care of it.--Shy
- Well, I can see that. But, why can't you take care of the cemetary equally well? I mean, more people are familiar with the cemetary as a RP than Whitin Drive, which isn't even listed as an official RP. Is there a reason you are unwilling to take care of the cemetary instead of Whitin Drive? I'm not, by any means, trying to be mean or sarcastic, just diplomatic about things. No one in the Arms seemed to object to moving it aside from you, and if we make it official, then it will be easier for all groups to follow, even after you and/or the DEM are gone. It is like having a UBP, if everyone agrees on it, then it will make for a stronger survivor support, and isn't that what we are all doing this for. No one wants the zombies to get an upper hand, and if survivors know that they can go to any cemetary anywhere and get a revive, they won't have to worry about looking for a specific street in each 'burb. They just think "cemetary = revive" vs. "street x = revive in 'burb a, street y = revive in 'burb b, and street z = revive in 'burb c." I'm just throwing this out there for you to think about for the good of all survivors and regularity, rather than a small group in the Arms, most of whom don't seem to care about it being moved. --Vikermac 06:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- OK, look, if it's that important to you, let's have a vote. At the Arms. But for the record, we do revive at the cemetary too. It's just that Within Drive is our private RP, while the cemetary is for everyone. Everybody who's just passing by and needs some XP or a revive will drop in at the cemetary, however we are there all the time and we tend the general area. You must have seen we take care of the PD and Martha, and we do our best to keep Sheppard NT running when someone needs to do it (there's a group there, I think, so that's not too often.)
- Also, when the suburb was overrun the last two times, there were very few people passing by and reviving at the cemetary, while we kept Within Drive staffed and working. Also, when I got killed, I stood in Within Drive and got revived in a day. One of my Alts has been roaming Malton's graveyards looking for a reliable RP for two months and is still dead. In short, Within Drive is *our* RP, not in the mine-mine sense, just this thing we care for and I must say we are proud of it.
- Anyhow, you 're sensible and polite, and you do have a point, so let's put it up to vote at the Arms. Let's agree on a date, ask some people to be around all day that date so they can count the votes and see what we get. What do you say?--Shy
- I think a vote sounds like a reasonable and democratic idea and I'm glad you came up with the idea. I do have another thought before we vote though. While the cemetary and Sacred Ground policy are important, it is difficult when numbers build up at any location to know who genuinely needs/deserves a revive and who is there just to mess survivor groups, etc. We try and keep tags anywhere near RPs with "Revive Point: http://tinyurl.com/zmmas." This link goes to our Revive Request page, which, unless I'm mistaken, is the largest and most organized of its kind, much like our Rogue's Gallery for PK'ers. We use this board to see who genuinely needs revives, and it allows us to look at their profiles and add them to our contact lists without having to waste moves on DNA extractors. If it is decided at the Arms to keep things at Whitin Drive, would you be willing to keep it tagged with something along the lines of "Revive Points HERE at Whitin Drive: http://tinyurl.com/zmmas" or something along those lines, allowing us to monintor the site with you. Of course, your group could use the Revive Request page as well, and it might help you the way it has helped us. It isn't exclusively for DEM members and this way you could keep Whitin Drive going like you want, but we can help monintor it and have a tool that both our groups can use and help us more effectively run the RP. What are your thoughts about that? Thanks, --Vikermac 20:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- That too is not just for me to decide, so let's put that up to vote too. Just keep in mind that we aren't really an organised group, just a bunch of people based in the same place, the Smith Arms. Some of us have "Regular at the Smith Arms" or something to that extent in their profile, but some of us are regulars at the Arms without having it at their profile. We 're very informal, see? --Shy
- Fair enough. Well, let's put it to a vote then. I know the where, and I suppose the when is up to you! --Vikermac 07:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Er... there doesn't seem to be too much interest by the regulars, eh?--Shy
- Hey there, Shy! I'm Captain wfjeff. Good to meet you, I think I may have seen you around the Arms before. Sorry I didn't get in on this discussion sooner, I should've been monitoring the talk page more closely. Anyway, while we're at it, I'd love to hear any other input you or the other regulars might have about the barricade policy. I'm inclined to agree with my colleague Vikermac here about the RPs, having two right next to each other would just be too confusing for people looking for revives, and because of the Sacred Ground Policy we can't abandon the cemetery as an RP. We'd really appreciate it if you could work with us to maintain the cemetery, and if we can make some other accommodations for you guys in exchange for the RP relocation, please let us know. Having two groups working a revive point makes things endlessly easier for everyone involved. Also, if you or your boys ever need a needle, an FAK, or a drinking buddy, just drop me a line. --Wfjeff 22:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Shy, I'm going to hand the discussion over to wfjeff, a fine officer. He's permanently based in Lamport Hills now, so this discussion is better left for him. Wfjeff, in talking with the higher ups, the opinion seems to be that as long as Whitin Drive is tagged with the Revive Request link, then forget the cemetary and leave it at Whitin Drive. These guys have been keeping it extremely well maintained, and there isn't a lot of point in asking them to change when it is going as well as it has been. However, I'll pass things on to you. If you have any questions wfjeff, just PM me on Brainstock and I'll help you out there. Thanks, --Vikermac 09:30, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Merry Christmas guys, Vik, WfJeff glad to meet you. Ok, let me explain about the Smith Regulars. We 're an informal group, most of the actual regulars at the Arms don't even have a "Smith Arms Regulars" in their profile and we 're very loosely organised. In fact we are only organised in that we communicate with each other in-game. We tell each other about what's been done and what needs doing. We take care of Martha Gen Hospital and Rolls Road PD and the NT over in East Boundwood (Sheppard) since it's closer than Lambley. And of course we keep Within Drive and the cemetary operating, both of them.
The guys are not "my boys", we don't have anything resembling a leader. If there's a guy we all look up to that would be Jim Bergerac of the Necronauts- he was already a regular at the Arms when most of us first joined in and it was his spirit of jovial solidarity that kept us coming back long enough for a regular group to form. Jim's our father figure of sorts, but shhh don't tell him or he 'll go all awkward on you the big softy. I don't think he bothers with the Wiki- or that any of the others do (of course, the Milkmen are our long-time bar mates and they contribute here)
Now, if you want to communicate with the group, it's easier to do it in-game. Me, I just happen to read the wiki, I don't have any particular status in the group or anything. I definitely can't take any decisions that the regulars will stick to. So, come in, have a pint and speak freely. Vikermac and Lt Bogdan are already turning into real regulars too, so you won't be a complete stranger there, don't worry. We 're a friendly crowd, us.
And as I said don't worry about the cemetary. We keep that staffed too, we just also operate our own little spot at Within. --Shy 25 December, some time after I stumbled upright.
The conflict seems to have been resolved so the discussion has been moved to archives. --Wfjeff 11:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Alternate Format
I found an alternate format that we could present the plan in. I honestly prefer it.
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--Coldflame 02:03, 16 September 2006 (BST)
Moved to archives. --Wfjeff 21:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Barricade Plan
I think that its about time that lamport hills got an official barricade plan. I have a preliminary sketch here. Please feel free to discuss the plan.
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| Unenterable Buildings | |||
| Extremely Heavily Barricaded | Phone Mast | ||
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| Auto Shop | Fire Station | ||
| Hospital | NecroTech | ||
| Police Department | School | ||
| Other VSB Buildings | Unbarricaded Buildings | ||
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| Street | Monument | ||
| Cemetery | Revivification Point | ||
--Coldflame 01:23, 11 September 2006 (BST)
It looks like there should be a few more entry points; the current plan has multiple EH safehouses clustered together, which is sort of unnecessary. A few of these EH buildings should be designated as VS entry points. --Short ling 02:38, 11 September 2006 (BST)
- Yes, I agree. It depends on which resourse building we decide to put at EH though. Does anyone have any specific suggestions? --Coldflame 02:41, 13 September 2006 (BST)
I'm wondering where we should put the revive point. Ideas anyone? --Coldflame 00:52, 16 September 2006 (BST)
This barricade plan has been replaced by the one below. Please place comments on the New Barricade Plan Discussion. --Wfjeff 20:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Moved to archives. --Wfjeff 21:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
