UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Update Promotion Procedure

I got the idea from reading Aichon's musings on promotion bids. I was already previously aware of the numbers being off, but that article has given me the impetus to rise from my sofa and do something about it.

Note that the criteria text is about minimum requirements, so I aimed to keep the numbers still tame (though closer to actual practice than the current numbers).

There could also other changes be done while the text is overhauled: Such as highlighting more strongly that A/P isn't a popular vote. Or putting the janitorial work criteria on the top, as it's often underestimated, and 80% of an op's work is janitorial. But before I rock the boat too hard, I first want some feedback. -- Spiderzed▋ 17:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

This is good, but I don't like the moreover sentence you added in. I think if somebody needs to be told that it means useful edits, they aren't even vaguely adequate for the position.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 17:57, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I prefer to call it "making it fool-proof". But I definitively see your reasoning, and would too prefer an op candidate who knows those things without being explicitely told so. I just think that the criteria are mostly a stop-gap measure for triggerhappy newbs, while those who have been around and active enough to be viable ops don't need to look anymore that hard at the fineprint on the top of A/PM. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. In fairness I've only seen one truly futile bid. (It begins with an "X"). Not sure really, as the criteria suggests that strength in one area can lead to acceptance regardless of weaknesses in another area. I don't want to see less sysops bids, I'd rather see more. We're losing sops at a rate greater than we're gaining them. Hmmm.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

In fairness, when I discount former ops as Aichon or Rooster, I see currently hardly users who could fulfill an op role on the spot. There are a few who could grow into such a role when they work much harder on it (such as Mister Game, TripleU or Axe Hack). But right off the bat, without a couple of more months of janitorial work and/or projects? Tough luck. Now if that means that a.) we need better users (by luck, by encouraging promising ones or by recruiting wiki-savvy UD players who aren't active on the UD wiki), or b.) that we have to lower the bar by a good bit would be a question only the community could answer - either in actual A/PM practice, by denying/granting to make the written A/PM criteria any harsher, or preferably both. -- Spiderzed▋ 19:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)