Suggestion talk:20080305 Opening Doors From the Inside

Moved Discussions

1. Dupe - It was already suggested here. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 19:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

   Re: Not a dupe, because that is about leaving a building. This is about staying in it. --Gregarious Instigator ^{SHUT UP | RIGHTS | PETITION} 19:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

   Re: Read under the notes section of the suggestion. Well accepted as is, some people suggested for there to also be a button saying "Open Doors" when the Zombie is insided and the doors are closed. Other things to consider is to allow Zombies to open doors if there are no barricades up. Some people also wanted for surviviors to also be able to close the doors from the outside. --Akule ^{School's in session.} 19:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

   Re: Re: Re: And yet those were not official suggestions, more "I'd like to see"'s in the comments which, if kevan ever actually bothers implementing anything, may get glossed over. I'm sorry if anybodies colon has to become even more clenched in the process. --Gregarious Instigator ^{SHUT UP | RIGHTS | PETITION} 19:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

   Re: My butt In closing screw you and your dupe. (moved from suggestion page) --Gregarious Instigator ^{SHUT UP | RIGHTS | PETITION} 04:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Akule, you wanna ba a lawyer??? Ahahahaaaaaa!!! Stick to giving parking tickets, dude... --WanYao 13:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

-questionable brow- those are police... lawyers don't have anything to do with giving parking tickets --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 20:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfairly Duped

Quote: "Dupe, for Suggestions that are exact or very close duplicates of previous suggestions." The link provided as a dupe is a suggestion that is not the same as this. Furthermore, it was duped off the notes about that suggestion, and not the suggestion itself. The notes are about what some voters said in their comments. A voter's comment is not a valid suggestion that one can dupe off of. --Pdeq^Talk* 23:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Precedence of the use of Dupes clearly allows for interpretation of the "exact or very close" on a case by case basis, and anyway note the use of "or very close". Also, the notes added to suggestions are important - because they are the will of the community. Otherwise, why add them? The dupe rules are not there as a punishment, but to avoid the clogging of Peer Reviewed with multiple suggestions that are "very close" to being exactly the same. --Funt Solo ^QT 23:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

In other words, you are no different from karek in terms of wiki-lawyering.
Welcome to the dark side... --Aeon17x 23:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

It may be very close to the notes, but it is not close to the suggestion. No one said the notes aren't important. However, the notes are just generalizing what voters said. The notes themselves have not gone through the suggestion system, and are not a suggestion. The Dupe only allows for duping based off a previous suggestion that has gone through the system, not "notes". Furthermore, being that there were several objections to duping this, and (to my knowledge) no precedence for duping off notes, this discussion should have occurred prior to the suggestion being removed from voting. --Pdeq^Talk* 23:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

You're saying all that as if it's policy, but it's not: it's just your opinion. What is policy, is that any suggestion that receives three Dupe votes, and a valid link, may be removed. Which is what's happened. What - you really want several almost-exactly-the-same suggestions in Peer Reviewed? What for? (Love the stupid comparison, Aeon - classy!) --Funt Solo ^QT 23:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

It is policy. The policy clearly states that you need a "valid link" to a "suggestion", and it also outlines what a "suggestion" is. Notes are not a suggestion, and that's what this was duped off of. I want every idea to go through the suggestion system once, which the "notes" have not. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, clearly we disagree. Take it to arbies if you want. --Funt Solo ^QT 00:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If that's what I need to do, then I will. Not having used arbitration before, I would appreciate any help you could give me in setting that up. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't take it to Arbitration. This is clearly vandalism (by disregarding the cycling suggestions page via assumption) or misconduct depending on how you want to argue it. Take it there. -- Iscariot 00:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is vandalism (I'm assuming it is a good faith edit). However, please let me know if you do take it there, otherwise, I would appreciate someone stopping by my talk page and helping me start an arbitration (or participate in one, if they want to take a side in it). I assume that the arbitrator could conclude that it is vandalism, so that would be one possible outcome. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this is even worth arbitration, but if you feel that strongly about it, go ahead - and (again, if you feel that strongly about it) take the time to figure out how to start an arbitration case. I'm not going to figure it out for you. As to vandalism: it would be a waste of time, because I followed clear policy in good faith. (Waste your time clarifying that if you wish.) And as for Misconduct, well, that's for sysop-only power use, and ... well, I'm not a sysop. (So ... you can see right there, Iscariot, you haven't done your homework.) --Funt Solo ^QT 00:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

1. Dupe - read the notes. It's a dupe. (Stands to reason if a zombie can do it, a survivor can do it as well.) --Funt Solo ^QT 22:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

   It isn't a dupe. That one says the zombie is leaving this one suggests that opening the door is like attacking the barricades from the inside. This would also be something that survivors could do also. For instance, you find an enemy sleeping in a ruined building (having just escaped the clutches of the ravenous hordes and collapsing out of exhaustion)and instead of shooting them you open the door and hope a zombie wanders in. Each building should have an open door button because of you want to leave a building you can just click the next square. Opening the door is completely different. The other describes it more as a "flavour" text. --DCC 02:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC) non-author re struck --Pdeq^Talk* 04:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)