Talk:Club Izzard

VSB or EHB

Because of the special significance of Club Izzard, it should be kept at EHB to guarantee the patrons a good level of defence. There is one wiki user who disagrees. Let's talk about it here instead of cluttering up other pages, and to prevent fruitless edit conflicts.

My reasons for maintaining Club Izzard at EHB

1) Right because it's right. Club Izzard's significance as a reference to Eddie Izzard, a comedy genius of the highest order. It shouldn't risk getting smashed up. It's fate shouldn't be decided by people unaware of Eddie Izzard.

2) Right of precedence. The long-standing designation of alternate entry points to Mitchem Mall, until the recent edit. The local plan should take precendence over the area plan, and where there is conflict the area plan should be amended.

3) Right of occupancy. It is my character who has repeatedly cleared out all zombies, dumped the bodies, closed the doors, repaired the damage and barricaded. It's my character that's done this since 2005 after each time the area has been overrun.

4) Right of hospitality. It's my character that has healed any wounded in Club Izzard, and it's my character that patrols and 'cades the neighbouring mall, healing all he finds.

Huntah 13:27, 30 April 2008 (BST)

All very personal and emotional reasons. I salute your want to protect a club that was owned by someone who was obviously very close to your heart.

However, the established barricade plan has been in place for some time. Club Izzard is located such that it gives an important Entry Point into the Mall.

There is more than one group of survivors who have made concerted and heroic efforts to keep the mall and all surrounding buildings, as well as the rest of Vinetown safe. It is a bit presumptuous for a single person to claim responsibility for the work done in and around any building in this circumstance and does discredit to the effort put forth by these individuals and groups.

The bottom line is that Club Izzard is not a resource building and therefore has no real draw for Zeds. The intrinsic value of the building is much greater as a safe route into the mall as opposed to the personal safehouse of an individual. The lives of the hard put survivors must take priority over the memory of a passed artist and businessman.--Bunkis 18:27, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Eddie Izzard is still very much alive, he hasn't passed and isn't mostly in the past. Your reference to an "established plan" is null as the group supposedly maintaining it have only been in operation for a few months. The original Mitchem Mall barricade plan dates to 13th April 2006 [1]. As to you repeatedly calling yourself "we" and calling me/us "a single person", well anyone can wear sock puppets, and I note that you are the only person I'm talking to. You're as much of a single person as I am. Barricading the club puts no one at risk as the real entry points for the mall are listed on the page - unless you've edited them again. Those places provide sufficient entries. And you're dancing round a few facts - at least 3 times I have cleared and rebuilt the club alone, without any help. Where were you then? If you want to have a say in the policy, take a hand in the dirty work.

The bottom line is that I and many British players like Club Izzard and like to keep it safe. Your objections have been noted but do not convince. Huntah 19:26, 30 April 2008 (BST)

I use the term "We" as the representative of the Blackhawk Nation, which is on the stats page because we have enough members to make that list. You are representing who? Yourself?

If you are a conerned party then you cannot be arbitrator.

Club Izzard is the northern Entry point for the mall, it has no other non-emotional value and should remian VSB.--Bunkis 21:11, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Izzard is only designated an entry point by the incorrect barricade plan, and not by the mall plan, which predates the Vinetown one. The first Vinetown barricade plan was posted in December 2007 [2] and it clearly shows Club Izzard at EHB. There's a reference to that in my previous post. I repeat, Club Izzard is not an entry point except in the faulty Vinetown plan. Why can't you accept that? (and now I suspect you're just spelling things wrong to try and distract me. It ain't gonna work, boyo.) Huntah 21:45, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Following the links that this guy gives in the first one, it was written by a member of a group that no longer exists by a member that is not active and does not even mention Club Izzard and in the second one there is a quote at the top that says "Clubs are default VSB safehouses." That page was NOT altered and anybody can check that fact. In fact, because I don't trust people to leave the evidence alone, I have a screenshot. Club Izzard, in every page, has been VSB with the lone exception of one page where the map was miscolored, but even there it is written in text that it is by default a VSB safehouse. That is exactly how it should remain.

From news section

Club Izzard has been repeatedly over barricaded recently. According to the overall Vinetown Barricade Plan it should be maintained at VSB to serve as an entry to the Mall. Check here for the Vinetown Barricade Plan: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Vinetown --Bunkis 18:33, 28 April 2008 (BST)

This is a misunderstanding based on a conflict between the general Vinetown policy and the specific Mitchem Mall policy. It's being kept at EHB to provide a safe place with a well-stocked bar. Cops drink there, it's a very friendly place. There's a connecting door to the mall, and we have side-doors to all our neighbours. It's not hard to get in, but we do ask that you respect the barricades. Huntah 21:17, 28 April 2008 (BST)

No. It should be left as it was at VSB as the northern entry point for the Mall. It is not a misunderstanding. You have changed and edited several pages with no regard to the many people who agreed upon the plan and have worked hard to maintain it. Your not playing friendly. --Bunkis 05:38, 29 April 2008 (BST)

There are not "many people" who have got together and decided on Club Izzard - rather the composers of the Vinetown plan did not see the mall barricade policy. We are working just as hard to keep things more accurate. The locals run the club, not City Hall. We are friendly, and want to keep zombies away from our regulars. Huntah 12:37, 29 April 2008 (BST)

We are the locals. You are a single person who wants to modify the entire plan to suit your own needs. Find a different club from the existing plan that is already EHB. Club Izzard is VSB for a reason. Right now you are considered a vandal and a death cultist.--Bunkis 17:50, 29 April 2008 (BST)

I am not "considered a vandal" as the speedy resolution of your unfounded accusation from the admin has shown. I strongly object to the incorrect description as a "death cultist" - I have continually played the game in good faith as a concerned citizen of Malton since 2005. Please moderate your tone in what is essentially a difference in definition. Also, please either use your talk page or my own to settle this - I'm sure everybody's quite tired of this. Huntah 00:27, 30 April 2008 (BST)

When individuals start deciding to change the barricades for accesible buildings to inaccesible the logical conclusion is either death cultist or Zed spy. If those labels don't fit you then my apologies. I am maintaining the Established Barricade plan for the suburb of Vinetown not for my personal benefit, but for the benefit of the residents of the area.--Bunkis 17:23, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Apology accepted. Please remove my character from any secret 'bad guy' lists you or your group may have so I can get back to business as normal. There are more logical conclusions than the two you list, as you seem to have realised. Let's save the bullets for the zombies. I am maintaining the barricades at Club Izzard not for my personal benefit, but for the drinkers and fans of British comedy in the area. And again, I request that this sort of thing is discussed on the talk pages, where they belong. Huntah 17:31, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Please quit making false accusations libeling me or the Blackhawk Nation. Neither I or any other member of the group has ever laid a finger on your character. Nor have we put you on any "bad guy list". Your persistance in making these false claims seem to be an attempt to smear our honorable groups name. I have no idea who killed your character, and can only say that we, of the Blackhawk Nation, have never and will never kill you unless you kill one of us.--Bunkis 19:05, 30 April 2008 (BST)