Talk:The Battle of SantLUEville/Ulysses Black
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Ulysses Black
Just for clarification, I WAS part of the battle, but didn't play a massively active part as I annouced on the LUE page I was going to stop playing for a while due to all the negative feelings I was stirring up there and on the Dribbling Beavers board and to let things calm down. I mainly kept under the radar on purpose, defending the mall during the first attack, then helping defend the northernmost police station. Not that it matters, but you did ask for clarification on the page and as i'm not part of a faction or have any leadership role, it would be kind of hard for me to have any noticable effect on my own in the flow of battle. --Ulysses Black 23:16, 8 August 2007 (BST)
- Also personal feelings should really be kept to the talk page, the article should try at least to maintain encyclopedic impartiality, but apart from that, good job. --Ulysses Black 23:19, 8 August 2007 (BST)
- Heh, I never once saw you around Santlerville when LUE arrived, but I'll take your word that you were at CCPD. I do appreciate that you did not engage in any more grandstanding once our visitors arrived. I'll be sure to edit that section to be a little more civil, but at the same time, I can understand why Insomniac and et. al. wrote what they wrote. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 00:48, 9 August 2007 (BST)
- I mainly stayed away from the south so as not to be a moving target, and just stayed up at Cotteril Crescent, I was revived quite a few times at Finch, but I don't know who maintains that RP. --Ulysses Black 03:39, 9 August 2007 (BST)
- Heh, I never once saw you around Santlerville when LUE arrived, but I'll take your word that you were at CCPD. I do appreciate that you did not engage in any more grandstanding once our visitors arrived. I'll be sure to edit that section to be a little more civil, but at the same time, I can understand why Insomniac and et. al. wrote what they wrote. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 00:48, 9 August 2007 (BST)
Noteworthy-ness Cont.
- Ulysses Black, shut the fuck up. You just aren't happy because the people involved don't like you for actions before this and the article shows your foolishness. This was definitely an important event thanks to how the defense was run. Name one other group of surivors that made LUE take over a week to break their back, if any victory over LUE is gained in the future it will be with and because of the information and strategies used and learned in the Battle of SantLUEville. The reason it doesn't seem noteworthy to you is because, as you said, you hid out in a safe area away from the real battle while stronger men and women did the real work.--Karekmaps?! 01:48, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- Woah now, lets calm down a little, switch to decaf, tap your helmet, yadda yadda.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:54, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- Ulysses Black, shut the fuck up. You just aren't happy because the people involved don't like you for actions before this and the article shows your foolishness. This was definitely an important event thanks to how the defense was run. Name one other group of surivors that made LUE take over a week to break their back, if any victory over LUE is gained in the future it will be with and because of the information and strategies used and learned in the Battle of SantLUEville. The reason it doesn't seem noteworthy to you is because, as you said, you hid out in a safe area away from the real battle while stronger men and women did the real work.--Karekmaps?! 01:48, 10 August 2007 (BST)
I wouldn't mind seeing you edit the actual article, though. Also, does someone need to tell Kolossov that he can edit more than one thing at a time?--Insomniac By Choice 02:10, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- I agree about the POV, but at least that cycles and without accurate stats is hard to replace. Karek are you not embarrased to get so heated over a game? I really couldn't care less about the battle, the result, or UD in the larger scheme of things, and it's assholes like you who take things way too seriously (betraying the fact you're 14 years old perhaps?) that ruin it (my earlier misguided outbursts were supposed to be in character, but this is clearly all you). I couldn't care less about how "i'm" portrayed as "i'm" just a fictional character, and props or insults from a bunch of other psuedonyms really don't make me lose any sleep, and it's pretty pathetic if your online reputation matters so much to you. I was giving my impartial opinion, no more or less, and the real reason I wasn't a bigger part of the battle is - surprise, surprise, I was busy in the real world. You should try it sometime. It's a nice place. --Ulysses Black 02:59, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- I hate the real word, it always ruins everything.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:01, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- ^^^^ I was on a filming job in Portugal, it was quite nice actually! : ) I could only access the site through my mobile, which if you've tried it is hard to navgate so that's why I was limited in my actions. And Karek if you'll learn to read before you bust a vein, you'll see I have nothing against the existance of the page, just the location. I agreed LUE was historical and this should really be part of a larger LUE page. If I really gave a shit about what was written about me, i'd complain about being called a "blubbering vagina" on the LUE talk page, which I haven't and won't, because it really doesn't matter. Stop making yourself look like a fool and calm down. I'm embarrased for you. "Stronger men and women?" It was hardly D-Day you know, and it's not real either. It hardly takes strength to log on and click a button does it... --Ulysses Black 03:05, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- That's all fine and good except a few things.
- Roleplaying isn't an excuse for being a pompous asshole.
- I don't like you because you're an idiot and a loudmouth, has nothing to do with the game
- You're opinion means jack shit.
- Take things seriously? You're the one who spent a month or so calling LUE a bunch of pussies, claiming Dowdney would never fall, and inflating your e-penis only to not show up to the real show after all your kind words. You asked for the page to be removed because LUE won. If LUE had lost, as you said, you wouldn't have brought this up. Sorry but I can't follow that faulty logic, where's the line? You need to realize it isn't who wins that makes an event historical, although most any survivor victory will probably get in, it's the battle that takes place. If the event would have been historical if LUE lost it is historical if they won, not every battle with LUE has it's own page or is historical, I actually believe this is the first one. LUE was slowed here, what the Dribbling Beavers did worked and it was the first thing yet to work. It's the longest real siege they've had and it was at a time where they were at their best statistically and had a well set up knowledge of how things should be done in their type of sieges having just ransacked something like 10+ malls. Unlike at Ackland LUE knew what they were doing and what they were capable of and yet the Battle of SantLUEville took them 8 days and had the smallest effect on the area of any of their sieges(less than 24 hours after they left everything was fixed). That is why it is historical, that is why it has it's own page, and that you seem not to know any of this is why you deserve much mockage. You insulted LUE like a bitch then hid like a pussy, you deserve all the insults and slander you can be given for who you are, not the game you play or how. You're the cancer that is killing UD and people like you make the game less fun for everybody else, so sorry I don't like internet assholes.--Karekmaps?! 06:09, 10 August 2007 (BST) And trust me, this isn't me worked up, this is mildly annoyed.
- Wow! Where to start on the hypocrisy and ignorance on your post? Kerek/Vecusum (is that a foot powder?) or whatever you call yourself, i'd respond better to being called a pompous internet asshole from somebody who doesn't tick all those boxes and more. I admitted I was misguided, apologised and withdrew, but I see wherever you are on the wiki, you're an equal opportunity prick every day of the week. And you clearly have no grasp of what makes something historical. And you clearly need, for the love of god, to get out more and take what is A FUCKING BROWSER GAME far less seriously. My opinion means jack shit? I'm fully aware of that, I think it's YOU who has issues understanding your opinion equally means nothing. And I take back feeling embarrased for you, after reading those god awful *ahem* "lyrics" on your page, I involuntarily turned myself inside out and puked my soul on the floor with such was my cringe reflex. I reccomend a healthy dose of perspective and a lengthy self awareness course before you open your mouth again and make an unwitting fool of yourself and intellectual paupers of us all. It's self-important, obnoxious tools like you that are the cancer not only in this game, but the world as a whole. --Ulysses Black 06:23, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- Nice line in misogyny too, calling me a bitch and a pussy (and not even in a satirical sense). I bet you're a real hit with the ladies - oh wait, I forgot you're only 14... And since when am I a "pussy" for not contributing to a battle when i'm out of the country working and having a real life? Especially as it's hardly brave to, again, LOG ON AND HIT A FEW KEYS! What exactly was I apparently hiding/running from? The threat of RSI from excessive keyboard usage? Again, IT'S NOT REAL KEREK! Your 'achievements' in this game don't have any reflection on you or your character in the real world you know? Tragedy is you clearly don't... --Ulysses Black 06:32, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- And just to clear up a few points before foot powder attacks again, a) Whn I called LUE "pussies" it was meant as a joke tirade in character, not a vitriolic and misogynistic insult like you used (if anything I was taking the piss out of people like you) b) I was not "inflating my e-penis", I've said multiple times I don't care about the result, look on the LUE talk page, I stated this even before they attacked, trying to big up a fucking fictional character is honestly beyone my comprehension, and c) I'm not asking for this page to be removed, if you'll read I asked for opinions if it was necessary, and even then that it should mainly be re-sited or absorbed by another article. Apologies for expressing a valid and polite opinion on a DISCUSSION page Das Furher! You're arguning off completely invalid foundations. I won't bother replying again, I've learnt feeding trolls only enourages them, why don't you sit under a bridge and go look for some goats to feed YOUR e-penis? --Ulysses Black 07:28, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- Nice line in misogyny too, calling me a bitch and a pussy (and not even in a satirical sense). I bet you're a real hit with the ladies - oh wait, I forgot you're only 14... And since when am I a "pussy" for not contributing to a battle when i'm out of the country working and having a real life? Especially as it's hardly brave to, again, LOG ON AND HIT A FEW KEYS! What exactly was I apparently hiding/running from? The threat of RSI from excessive keyboard usage? Again, IT'S NOT REAL KEREK! Your 'achievements' in this game don't have any reflection on you or your character in the real world you know? Tragedy is you clearly don't... --Ulysses Black 06:32, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- Wow! Where to start on the hypocrisy and ignorance on your post? Kerek/Vecusum (is that a foot powder?) or whatever you call yourself, i'd respond better to being called a pompous internet asshole from somebody who doesn't tick all those boxes and more. I admitted I was misguided, apologised and withdrew, but I see wherever you are on the wiki, you're an equal opportunity prick every day of the week. And you clearly have no grasp of what makes something historical. And you clearly need, for the love of god, to get out more and take what is A FUCKING BROWSER GAME far less seriously. My opinion means jack shit? I'm fully aware of that, I think it's YOU who has issues understanding your opinion equally means nothing. And I take back feeling embarrased for you, after reading those god awful *ahem* "lyrics" on your page, I involuntarily turned myself inside out and puked my soul on the floor with such was my cringe reflex. I reccomend a healthy dose of perspective and a lengthy self awareness course before you open your mouth again and make an unwitting fool of yourself and intellectual paupers of us all. It's self-important, obnoxious tools like you that are the cancer not only in this game, but the world as a whole. --Ulysses Black 06:23, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- That's all fine and good except a few things.
- ^^^^ I was on a filming job in Portugal, it was quite nice actually! : ) I could only access the site through my mobile, which if you've tried it is hard to navgate so that's why I was limited in my actions. And Karek if you'll learn to read before you bust a vein, you'll see I have nothing against the existance of the page, just the location. I agreed LUE was historical and this should really be part of a larger LUE page. If I really gave a shit about what was written about me, i'd complain about being called a "blubbering vagina" on the LUE talk page, which I haven't and won't, because it really doesn't matter. Stop making yourself look like a fool and calm down. I'm embarrased for you. "Stronger men and women?" It was hardly D-Day you know, and it's not real either. It hardly takes strength to log on and click a button does it... --Ulysses Black 03:05, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- I hate the real word, it always ruins everything.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:01, 10 August 2007 (BST)
RE: ULC Cont.
- Personally I think POV is fine, unless it's included on a semi-official or important page (which is why my objections were not to content but location) It should be as humourous as it wants unless it becomes nominated for historical status, and then I believe it should be re-written in an encyclopedic format. Until then, it can be whatever it wants. --Ulysses Black 23:15, 10 August 2007 (BST)
- And I wants it encyclopedic, regardless. I happen to like NPOV because I find it more useful to all parties, both involved and uninvolved. But you're in the latter which is why I don't especially concern myself with your opinion. I care what Grossman and Vito and Brona and karek think (karek's iwitness reports are invaluable to making this article work), but you...not so much. I understand that you were being an asshole on purpose and why when you posted on our talk page, but that was more or less the extent of your involvement in this. Please edit that to be a just description of that part of it, but otherwise, I truly do not give your opinion much weight.--Insomniac By Choice 03:08, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- There's really no reason to be so unfriendly. I've never attacked you and you actually asked for opinions. The wiki is open to all and a resource for all, not just an exclusive club. The majority of your audience will be people who weren't there, and in that capacity is what i'm giving my opinion on. I'm not dictating content or anything, just presentation, which to be fair, it's seriously lacking in. If you disagree my opinion, then that's fine, but there's really no need to be so elitist in your attitude on a democratic forum such as the wiki because it comes across as pretty obnoxious. You may have started the article, but that in no way grants you ownership of it. --Ulysses Black 03:25, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- Fine. I apologize. But it's not a matter of elitism, I'm just rubbed the wrong way by your behavior. You don't think the event is notable. You were involved, but you stayed out of it because you didn't want to cause a stir. Or because you have a life and were working. Or because you wanted to be a PKer for a while. When something is about you, you want "encyclopedic impartiality". Otherwise, an article can be what it wants to be. You don't give a shit, people take the game too seriously, but you've managed to write and get more written about you than pretty much anyone else in this talk page. I dislike you, and moreover I find you utterly untrustable. So this is a democracy, your vote is worth as much as anyone else, but I don't consider it worthwhile.--Insomniac By Choice 03:48, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- God, some of you guys REALLY need to relax... I don't give a shit, but I thought others did, so offered my two cents as a wiki citizen, NOT in any capacity as a combatant (as I admitted I wasn't there much due to working abroad and not wanting to get repeatedly PKed by both sides in the limited times I was online). I think LUE as a whole is notable, but not this element. It's a notable part of the LUE story, but not a notable part of the history of Maton alone, mainly because it's a footnote in a large campaign, which is what should have it's own page, with this a part of. I only think notable events should have impartiality, and was just trying to say if you all decide it's notable, it should be impartial and free of POV to fit the style of the rest of the wiki, if not, then write what you want, call me the biggest twat in the world, I don't care, but just take the link off the suburb page as fluff and POV shouldn't be given permanent linked prominence alonside an event VOTED historical as per convention. I couldn't care less how i'm characterised, I have a whole section calling me a blubbering vagina on the LUE page and have not complained at all because a discussion page is clearly POV and that's OK. It has nothing to do with protecting the reputation of a stupid psuedonym that I could easily change if I was that put out. I'm going to stop contributing to the wiki, I really can't be bothered butting heads with so many fragile internet egos anymore. I thought getting involved in the meta-game would add a nice dimension to the experience, but clearly it just reminds you how anal and petty some people can be.--Ulysses Black 04:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- Dude, let's not turn this into a "not giving a shit" contest. I'm relaxed, I'm not riled up furiously pounding on keys while I pound on my e-meat. Do what you're going to do, but don't be surprised if you aren't well-liked because of it.--Insomniac By Choice 04:49, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- By relax, I meant loosen up, not calm down. You just seem to be taking this very seriously, it's not like you're writing an authorative history of the Second World War or anything here and it's not worth getting upset about, especially when the target of your ire (me) has not done anything towards you personally. Rexy's a great example of dimplomacy in action, who didn't turn offensive or het up even when I was causing drama on his forum. My only point was I don't believe this is notable, by itself (as opposed to the greater campaign) but if you feel it is, then it should be NPOV to maintain greater wiki continuity. If not, write what you want, but don't link it next to the peer approved Battle for Santlerville if it's full of ire and humour. I don't see how that in itelf is a reason for telling me to "shut the fuck up" (Kerek) or "my opinion isn't worthwhile" (yourself) especially when it's a commonly held opinion if you'll check the discussions on the historic nature of the Battle of the Bear pit and Blackmore Siege pages written by Ron. I really don't care if i'm not well liked by a bunch of anonymous strangers either, i've personally got much more worthwhile peer groups if I really wanted to spend time courting popularity then Kerek et al, so i'm not going to artificially bend my opinions to satisfy egos, prejudices or biases, but I will still respect people's opinions and not engage in personal attacks if others can have the maturity to do the same, something that hasn't been apparent here, and why I responded in kind. --Ulysses Black 05:25, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- I didn't cause drama because you were causing enough of it. There really wasn't anything diplomatic to my actions. I still think you're spending way too much time arguing about being right about, um, something. But you don't have to be right for me, or fight my own battles (in regards to the NPOV ULC thing). In fact, I'd prefer that you'd play less as this role-playing character that seems to cause wiki-drama everywhere. The game was much more fun when you stopped typing during the siege. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 19:49, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- By relax, I meant loosen up, not calm down. You just seem to be taking this very seriously, it's not like you're writing an authorative history of the Second World War or anything here and it's not worth getting upset about, especially when the target of your ire (me) has not done anything towards you personally. Rexy's a great example of dimplomacy in action, who didn't turn offensive or het up even when I was causing drama on his forum. My only point was I don't believe this is notable, by itself (as opposed to the greater campaign) but if you feel it is, then it should be NPOV to maintain greater wiki continuity. If not, write what you want, but don't link it next to the peer approved Battle for Santlerville if it's full of ire and humour. I don't see how that in itelf is a reason for telling me to "shut the fuck up" (Kerek) or "my opinion isn't worthwhile" (yourself) especially when it's a commonly held opinion if you'll check the discussions on the historic nature of the Battle of the Bear pit and Blackmore Siege pages written by Ron. I really don't care if i'm not well liked by a bunch of anonymous strangers either, i've personally got much more worthwhile peer groups if I really wanted to spend time courting popularity then Kerek et al, so i'm not going to artificially bend my opinions to satisfy egos, prejudices or biases, but I will still respect people's opinions and not engage in personal attacks if others can have the maturity to do the same, something that hasn't been apparent here, and why I responded in kind. --Ulysses Black 05:25, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- Dude, let's not turn this into a "not giving a shit" contest. I'm relaxed, I'm not riled up furiously pounding on keys while I pound on my e-meat. Do what you're going to do, but don't be surprised if you aren't well-liked because of it.--Insomniac By Choice 04:49, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- God, some of you guys REALLY need to relax... I don't give a shit, but I thought others did, so offered my two cents as a wiki citizen, NOT in any capacity as a combatant (as I admitted I wasn't there much due to working abroad and not wanting to get repeatedly PKed by both sides in the limited times I was online). I think LUE as a whole is notable, but not this element. It's a notable part of the LUE story, but not a notable part of the history of Maton alone, mainly because it's a footnote in a large campaign, which is what should have it's own page, with this a part of. I only think notable events should have impartiality, and was just trying to say if you all decide it's notable, it should be impartial and free of POV to fit the style of the rest of the wiki, if not, then write what you want, call me the biggest twat in the world, I don't care, but just take the link off the suburb page as fluff and POV shouldn't be given permanent linked prominence alonside an event VOTED historical as per convention. I couldn't care less how i'm characterised, I have a whole section calling me a blubbering vagina on the LUE page and have not complained at all because a discussion page is clearly POV and that's OK. It has nothing to do with protecting the reputation of a stupid psuedonym that I could easily change if I was that put out. I'm going to stop contributing to the wiki, I really can't be bothered butting heads with so many fragile internet egos anymore. I thought getting involved in the meta-game would add a nice dimension to the experience, but clearly it just reminds you how anal and petty some people can be.--Ulysses Black 04:37, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- Fine. I apologize. But it's not a matter of elitism, I'm just rubbed the wrong way by your behavior. You don't think the event is notable. You were involved, but you stayed out of it because you didn't want to cause a stir. Or because you have a life and were working. Or because you wanted to be a PKer for a while. When something is about you, you want "encyclopedic impartiality". Otherwise, an article can be what it wants to be. You don't give a shit, people take the game too seriously, but you've managed to write and get more written about you than pretty much anyone else in this talk page. I dislike you, and moreover I find you utterly untrustable. So this is a democracy, your vote is worth as much as anyone else, but I don't consider it worthwhile.--Insomniac By Choice 03:48, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- There's really no reason to be so unfriendly. I've never attacked you and you actually asked for opinions. The wiki is open to all and a resource for all, not just an exclusive club. The majority of your audience will be people who weren't there, and in that capacity is what i'm giving my opinion on. I'm not dictating content or anything, just presentation, which to be fair, it's seriously lacking in. If you disagree my opinion, then that's fine, but there's really no need to be so elitist in your attitude on a democratic forum such as the wiki because it comes across as pretty obnoxious. You may have started the article, but that in no way grants you ownership of it. --Ulysses Black 03:25, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- And I wants it encyclopedic, regardless. I happen to like NPOV because I find it more useful to all parties, both involved and uninvolved. But you're in the latter which is why I don't especially concern myself with your opinion. I care what Grossman and Vito and Brona and karek think (karek's iwitness reports are invaluable to making this article work), but you...not so much. I understand that you were being an asshole on purpose and why when you posted on our talk page, but that was more or less the extent of your involvement in this. Please edit that to be a just description of that part of it, but otherwise, I truly do not give your opinion much weight.--Insomniac By Choice 03:08, 11 August 2007 (BST)
- Personally I think POV is fine, unless it's included on a semi-official or important page (which is why my objections were not to content but location) It should be as humourous as it wants unless it becomes nominated for historical status, and then I believe it should be re-written in an encyclopedic format. Until then, it can be whatever it wants. --Ulysses Black 23:15, 10 August 2007 (BST)
I believe it's notable and should be NPOV. So there is the source of our disagreement. Now feel free to prove how much you don't care by not continuing this and writing multiple paragraphs about how much you don't care.--Insomniac By Choice 06:10, 11 August 2007 (BST)
