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===20090411 Music! Music! Music!===

[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 01:28, 11 April 2009 (BST)

'''Suggestion type'''<br />
Item/Skill/Flavor

'''Suggestion scope'''<br />
Everybody (for different reasons)

'''Suggestion description'''<br />
The addition of musical instruments to the game.

Full details below.

{{Music}}

====Extended explanation====
Musical instruments will primarily serve to amuse the bored. However, they have specific abilities that allow them an additional limited strategic value.
*There are two basic kinds - those that are found as items, and those that are part of the buildings they are in. Their specific properties are listed in the table below; they all share the following general characteristics:
**"Incorporated" instruments are part of buildings. Pianos are found in schools and churches, and organs are found in cathedrals (only in one square of each cathedral, though). Their music does not carry outside. They cannot be played if the building is ruined, and the organ will not work without power.
**"Portable" instruments will surface when searching various areas (listed in the table below).
*Instruments are listed by name in a user's inventory (or in building inventory, for incorporated instruments). Instruments never "vanish," as books do; they last until the user throws them out.
*There will now be music stores in all malls; their yield is listed just below the table in "List of Instruments"
*Instruments cannot be used to attack anyone or anything.
*When you play an instrument outside, the sound carries for a 3x3 grid which you are at the center of. People inside that radius will get "You hear a harmonica playing to the south-west," or whatever is appropriate for the circumstances.
*Zombies can also hear music played outside, and will get the same description. Logically, they will be lured to it, which opens up a new field of possibilities for zombies (who will want to eat the muscicians), the survivors (who may be baiting the zombies into a trap) and PKers (who can just play music to call attention to any comatose survivors they have found, like ringing a dinner bell). Fun for all!
*Flavor would be fairly straightforward ("You play the piano") ("You play the trumpet. The sound echoes off the nearby buildings.")

'''Last, and not least:'''
*Every time you play an instrument (of any kind) you have a 20% chance of gaining one XP point. Mathematically speaking, this is ''not'' a destabilizing force for the game - you would have to do nothing but play music for ten days to get the 100XP needed to buy ''one'' skill. XP is simply intended to be a reward for playing music - just like reading.

====List of Instruments====

{|class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="White"
|'''Instrument'''
|'''Encumbrance'''
|'''Can be found in'''
|'''Search Yield'''
|'''Notes
|-
|Harmonica
|2
|Junkyards, schools, clubs, forts (barracks)
|2%, 1%, 5%, 2%
|And you thought there was no direction home ''before''.
|-
|Cowbell
|2
|Junkyards, schools
|2%, 2.5%
|Is there anything NOT made better with more cowbell?
|-
|Flute
|5
|Schools, cathedrals, churches
|1%, 5%, 5%
|One of those instruments you see in always see in church orchestras and schools. 
|-
|Recorder
|5
|Schools
|5%
|One of those instruments you really only see in schools.
|-
|Clarinet
|5
|Schools, churches, cathedrals
|1%, 2%, 2%
|I had a friend who used to play one of these. I swear half the valves on it are for show.
|-
|Trumpet
|10
|Schools, clubs, forts (storehouse)
|1%, 5%, 5%
|This is one of those things that always shows up in bands.
|-
|Saxophone
|15
|Schools, clubs
|1%, 6%
|Undead Bill Clinton would be proud.
|-
|Guitar
|15
|Schools, clubs, churches, cathedrals
|1%, 8%, 2%, 1%
|Not included: sheet music for "The Man Comes Around".
|-
|Bass Guitar
|15
|Clubs
|2%
|By popular request!
|-
|Trombone
|15
|Schools, clubs, forts (storehouse)
|1%, 5%, 5%
|Another one of those instruments found mostly in bands. Bands of people, not bands of trombones.
|-
|Violin
|15
|Schools, mansions
|1%, 5%
|So, yeah. Violins. Yep.
|-
|Drum
|20
|Schools, clubs, forts (storage room)
|1.5%, 1%, 2%
|Alright, I got nothing here either.
|-
|Bagpipes
|15
|Forts (storehouse)
|4%
|Wake the dead!
|-
|Malton Zoo Kazoo
|2
|The zoo (anywhere)
|2%
|A popular gift shop item before the Man came around.
|-
|Wooden Train Whistle
|2
|Railway station
|5%
|Another thing you'd find in a gift store pillaged of everything else.
|-
|Piano
|N/A
|Church, school
|N/A
|Not an item, something that's part of the building. Includes a button that says "Play the Piano (1 AP)" when you're inside a building that has one.
|-
|Organ
|N/A
|Cathedral
|N/A
|Same as the piano, but won't work unless a generator is installed in the building.
|-
|}

'''Mall Music Stores:''' Mall Music Stores will have very low yields for any specific instrument. If you have shopping, you'll have a 2% for guitars, 1% for everything else - but there are no zoo kazoos, wooden train whistles, pianos or organs. Overall, this means that you have a 14% chance of finding an instrument when searching in a mall store; this would double to 28% with Bargain Hunting.

====Voting Section====
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'''Keep Votes'''
#'''Keep''' - Yay flavor! Also, you can vote too author-man! --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 01:38, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Why the fuck not?--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 01:45, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Author-man has spoken! -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 01:52, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kerp''' - Toot-toot. Guud.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:59, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I want to waste all my ap to find a bass. Though I must say, I'd be afraid to see something like ''A survivor plays guitar.. and again..and again..and again..and again..and again..'' --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 02:02, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Playing a guitar in a zombie apocalypse? Hell Yeah, why not!--[[User:The Cop|The Cop]] 02:59, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - More culture in Malton? Who am ''I'' to say no? And...Who are ''you'' to say no? --{{User:DT/Signature}} 03:23, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Keep, if music be the food of love then lets feed Malton! --[[User:Mightyoak|<span style="color: ForestGreen">mo</span>]] [[User talk:Mightyoak|<span style="color: DarkGreen">ヽ(´ー｀)ﾉ </span>]] <sup>[[MCM|<span style="color: DeepSkyBlue ">MCM</span>]] [[MOB|<span style="color: DarkMagenta">MOB</span>]] [[Dribbling Beavers|<span style="color: SaddleBrown">DB</span>]]</sup> 03:25, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep/Change''' - Make bagpipes available in Nichols Mall's Kilt Store, and you got a keep. ;) --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 04:03, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I ''need'' to be able to play sweet violin music whilst watching people being dragged screaming out into the street by the walking dead. --{{User:VI/S}} 04:05, 11 April 2009 (BST) 
#'''FUCK YEAH HARMONICAS''' - {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}}{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/status}} 04:40, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep/Change''' - I love band. Cello would be a nice addition though...--[[User:JustAnotherWebSurfer|JustAnotherWebSurfer]] 05:38, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep/Change''' - Make pianos available in clubs, drums incorporated (unless in is actually a single 'drum'. In which case you should add a drum 'set'), and bass guitar!? Upright bass is more like it! {{User:SilverMemory/sig}} 05:46, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#:I can't make changes to this without invalidating all the votes already cast, but if this actually gets into the game I'll look into the above suggestions as a "patch". -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 06:13, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Good flavour. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 06:28, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - What's this? A ''fun'' suggestion? I guarantee any of my groups would love this if it were implemented. Definite keep. --{{User:Another_alias/Signature}} 07:09, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Fantastic addition, I want it. --[[User:Hashk|Hashk]] 08:21, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Great flavor and it will be quite fun to use the harmonica. --[[User:ZIPO|ZIPO]] 08:27, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Because I can imagine a horde of Randoms in their tartan finery dancing about outside Buckley Mall droning away on the bagpipes. XD -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 08:53, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Oooh, this would be such fun! --{{User:Saralan/sig}} 10:28, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Lets go out with a song! --[[User:Kamikazie-Bunny|Kamikazie-Bunny]] 15:46, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - A lovely flavor addition, since I've already heard people singing and seen them dancing, this is an excellent idea! Besides, who could object to MORE COWBELL!! *grins* --{{User:Lois_Millard/sig}} 18:41, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I like it. --[[User:Varul|Varul]] 22:46, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - We all need more cowbell --[[User:Fighting Irises|Fighting Irises]] 23:42, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep/Change''' - It needs more flavour text, because it's kinda useless without it. There's no point in fighting zombies outside and it'll probably get you killed, PKers would just kill the guy trapped outside themselves, and no survivor would be moronic enough to ring a dinner bell when he's the dinner, which removes the "zombie use". However, a guy playing a harmonica while in a warehouse makes for nice RP touches. So add more flavour, and I'll be completely happy =) --[[User:LaosOman|LaosOman]] 23:47, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Nice suggestion, would definitely add flavour, nice RP bonus too. A little more detailed flavor text, perhaps? --[[User:Pharo2i2|A Zombie]] <sup>'''[[BARBRAZ|Barbraz Employee]]'''</sup> 00:06, 12 April 2009 (BST) 
#'''Keep''' - Yaaaay *Prepares to start the Musicians' Union of Malton*--[[User:Idly Hummingbird|Idly Hummingbird]] 04:26, 12 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - i can see this after a couple years survivors playing music to take their minds off the fact that there are zombies around. --[[User:Deathnut/deathnut|Lt.G Deathnut]]<nowiki> | </nowiki>[[User:deathnut/TheStayPuftMan|TheStayPuftMan]] 05:02, 12 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Because it's just that awesome. Oh yeah, and as above, especially as StayPuft. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 07:29, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' -It's about time those zambahs had a bit of culture knocked into them, it's a keep from me. --[[User:Alex1guy|Alex1guy]] 21:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' For nothing more than to see certain people squirm when they log on. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 10:11, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - A well thought out, logical, and FUN suggestion?  On MY Urban Dead wiki?  I like this a lot. I can't contribute any other reasons why that haven't already been said.  Besides, who doesn't need more cowbell?  --[[User:Fujiko Mine|Fujiko Mine]] 17:05, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I just like it. Getting XP for playing a guitar or bagpipes sounds really cool, I hope this gets implemented. [[User:Nemesis645|Nemesis645]] 18:04, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Hooray for flavor! And Bagpipes! [[User:Conner Martel|Conner Martel]] 19:27, 15 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Could evolve into a form of ID.--[[User:31337roxxor|3R]] 01:53, 16 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - This would be awesome. Absolultely Awesome. 'Cept I'd like to be able to hit people with the small instruments. Like, Player X hit you with his guitar...and again...and again. Oh, and able to play over radio. XD [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 14:36, 16 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Although it'd be way cooler if you'd included a keytar. :] [[User:Bastetmeow|Bastetmeow]] 13:52, 17 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Ke..KEKEKEKEKE''' - Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down.. {{User:Dr Cory Bjornson/Sig}} 02:44, 18 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - The XP gain is wholly unnecessary, as people don't need a reason to play an instrument. But damnit I want my music! --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 14:13, 19 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep/Change''' - I would change one thing, allow there to be a 50 character box which allows you to change up the flavor a little bit. Maybe have it be "[Player] plays [type whatever] on [instrument]." Example "S1leNt RIP plays Pachelbel's Canon on violin (timestamp)." Even so I love the idea! Playing violin in a mall as the hordes of zombies pour in=awesome flavor! --[[User:S1leNt RIP|S1leNt RIP]] 21:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As all of the above.--[[User:Zombie Lord|Zombie Lord]] 11:07, 21 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - ...--[[User:Kolechovski|Kolechovski]] 21:02, 21 April 2009 (BST)

'''Kill Votes'''
#'''Kill'''-Enhances survivor role-playing but doesn't advance or promote the central theme of the game: a survivor vs. zombie apocalyptic conflict. I think it may actually detract from that theme. I find the XP gain difficult to justify also. How does playing an instrument increase my fighting/healing/scientific/construction ability in such a way as to warrant or contribute towards an additional skill level in any of those areas? --[[User:Winton|Winton]] 06:51, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#:I find Max Brooks' argument relevent here. In ''The Zombie Survival Guide'', he encourages survivors to take on hobbies to help take the edge off the cabin fever that comes with fighting the dead from building to building. Likewise, one could say that playing music helps calm the nerves enough to master skills of direct value to survival. -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 07:23, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#::'''RE''': Here is the point I am trying to make. "Fun" in a game is about conflict and competition. A really good suggestion should either enhance an existing point of conflict (where zombies and survivors interact), or create a new point of conflict. As it stands, this suggestion is "fun" for survivors only. What if: ''You grab Player X by the trombone and wrap it around their neck for 3 damage. The trombone breaks.'' Now it's "fun" for the zombie player, because he can respond to taunting instrument play. He has some incentive to get engaged. It should be more fun for the survivor as well, because there is now some risk associated with playing the instrument, even if its just the risk of losing the instrument. Now we have a new point of conflict between survivors and zombies, which is "fun" for both sides. Otherwise it is simply a role playing device. I don't think it is a bad idea, I just think it should be tweaked to engage all players. --[[User:Winton|Winton]] 18:12, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#:::I maintain that fun is what you make of it. Zombies can elect to attack or ignore instruments anyway; whether the instrument is actually involved in the demise of the musician doesn't matter as much. -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 19:47, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - This is a zombie apocalypse. I simply don't think this fits. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 16:56, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - This is a huge detraction from the game. If I wanted to play pretend instrument I'd turn on Rock Band. This is Urban Dead, not Urban Dead-Air. At least make the pianos droppable from high rise buildings and killing whoever happens to be standing underneath. --[[User:DTangent|DTangent]] 21:02, 12 April 2009 (BST)

'''Spam/Dupe Votes'''
#'''SPAM'''-First, as a zombie, the last thing I want while wreaking havoc upon the city is a serenade from the New York Philharmonic. Second, this would lead to idiotic survivors running up to zombies and using it as a tool to taunt them, damaging the mood of the game for zombie players, and there is no way to punish people for using this to harass other players. Third, I'm not all that fond of most music. Fourth, this stuff about it being heard for up to 3 blocks would lead to a positively nauseating prevalence of sound pollution as survivors stroke each others or their own egos. Fifth, it's just another thing for survivors to do instead of interacting with zombies, another way to edge the game closer to being a damned chatroom, and as noted by Winton above will detract from the central theme and mood of the game.  Just say no to wandering minstrels! <b><s><font color=red>Huzzah!!!</font></s></b> --[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 08:20, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#:Oh, and also think of being in a Mall with over a hundred people in every corner each with @#$%&*% instruments. SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!!!!!  Think of the SPAM!--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 08:30, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#::{{s|Maybe if like, 10 instruments were played from 1 area you get "You hear several instruments coming from X,Y" That kinda stops spam....Or if they came from different areas you get "You hear instruments from many directions, and are unable to determine where they came from" [[User:Sorakairi|Sorakairi]] 14:41, 16 April 2009 (BST)}} <small>Non-author reply struck. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>¦[[User talk:Midianian|T]]¦[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]¦[[Suggestions|SP]]¦</sup></small> 14:53, 16 April 2009 (BST)</small>
#'''Spam''' - The great thing about feeding groan is that it is extremely hard to falsify a groan. If a zombie hears a groan from a few minutes ago, it can be almost sure of a free feed (or at least finding a building under attack). Survivors shouldn't be able to "lure" zombies with pseudo-groans like this, nor dance around taunting them with music, then running back inside behind barricades elsewhere. This will just be more spam, like those useless flares <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 10:37 11 April 2009 (BST)</small>
#You wanna be a Guitar Hero or any other instrument hero, do it somewhere else.  Like on Rockband, or Guitar Hero: World Tour.  Because, as Necrofeelinya said, this will only cause a shitload of spam. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} ({{User:Axe Hack/Stat}}) 23:46, 11 April 2009 (BST)
#:Well.  I think this vote can now be legally changed from SPAM to DUPE now, since Rosslessness got the link. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} ({{User:Axe Hack/Stat}}) 23:18, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Spam''' - ''Urban Dead'', not ''Come Jivin<nowiki>'</nowiki>''. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 22:04, 12 April 2009 (BST)
#:Ditto Axe Hack, that's three Dupes, this suggestion can now be cycled. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:43, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Spam''' - Its a great idea and would be fun for a while, then it would get old and dull and finally (probably after a week!) it would begin to annoy the piss out of people! --[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 12:53, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Dupe''' of [[Suggestion:20071027 Instruments]] --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:02, 13 April 2009 (BST)
#:I disagree. Although the basic idea - finding instruments and using them - is the same, the use of the instruments is dramatically different on many different levels. Therefore, '''this is not a dupe''', which is defined as a "suggestion was an exact duplicate of another suggestion already made (or close enough to have no significant differences)." -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 00:06, 14 April 2009 (BST)
#::As stated above I believe it is a dupe. As "The basic idea -is the same" that is my opinion. And why are you bolding this is not a dupe? I thought you already had your vote? Does this mean I can say '''Misconduct, vandalism''' and or '''WTF Centaurs'''?--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 09:21, 14 April 2009 (BST)
#:::I've sent for an arbitrator. This complaint should be resolved soon. -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 00:26, 15 April 2009 (BST)
#:::: <sub>moved to talk page {{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:30, 15 April 2009 (BST)</sub>
#'''Dupe''' of every crap idea to come through this place.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:31, 14 April 2009 (BST)
#:P.S this is actually a '''spam''' vote.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 04:32, 14 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Spam''' - As Iscariot. Limit it to 2 - 3 instruments and you've got some good flavor. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 18:52, 16 April 2009 (BST)   
#'''Spam''' - As Above, OP is a faggot--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 19:03, 19 April 2009 (BST)  
#'''Spam! Spam! Spam!''' <tt>:P</tt> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 01:36, 21 April 2009 (BST)
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