View source for Suggestions/30th-Apr-2007

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===New GPS function===
Removed as edited during voting. --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 15:54, 4 May 2007 (BST)
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===DNA Extractor update===
Removed as a [[PR_Equipment_Change#Random_Scan_After_End_Of_Stack|Dupe]] with 4 Dupe votes, 1 Kill vote and 13 Keep votes.  Popular, clearly. --[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]] [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|20px]] 15:58, 4 May 2007 (BST)
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===Clubs===
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suggest_time=[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 22:11, 30 April 2007 (BST)|
suggest_type=Skills, Items.|
suggest_scope=Zombies.|
suggest_description=Trenchies can barricade, can take over territories, and even seize huge empires. Zombies want to have fun too! This way would help them out. Note that this is a modified idea of  [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Suggestions/26th-Feb-2007#Ghouls Ghouls], using a small portion of it, modified.

Under Ransack, there is a new skill that cost 100 XP...'''Scavanging'''.

'''Scavanging''': Allows the zombie to search when inside any ''ransacked'' building that is classifed as a TRP (Malls, Hospitals, Police Departments, Forts, Fire Stations, NecroTech, Factories, and Auto Repair Shops). They do not find the same things as survivors. Instead, there is a 50% chance that they will find/make something usuable as a club. A club acts the same as any other blunt weapon (10% to hit, 2 damage) but Zombies can buy two skills that improve their performance radically. 

Those skills are under '''Vigour Mortis''':

'''Smashing''': The zombie can swing a weapon with great speed and agression. +20% to hit with blunt weapons, like clubs, and +1 damage. However, after each attack there is a 16% chance that the weapon breaks, hit or miss. 
*'''Crushing Blow''':The zombie can now attack so fast and hard that they get another +20% to hit and +1 damage with blunt weapons. The break chance remains at 16%.

Blunt weapon damage can go as high as 2 Damage/AP. Compared to 1.71 for a zombie hand attack and 1.52 for Bite, it is quite high. But, you also realize that it has a 16% chance of breaking, meaning that zombies have to constantly restock on Clubs after they are brokwn. When you add in MBA, the first blow from a club does 0.666666666 damage/AP, due to the cost for searching in a ransacked building, under the best of cirmustances.

This suggestion basically give zombies a new weapon, and a way to use territory that they gained already. Hopefully, this makes them scary and fun.|
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#I like it. Its packs a hell of a punch with all the upgrades, but the high break chance it means that its not too overpowered... and besides, the zombie will have to spend precious Ap finding a new one. One question though - if the club breaks, is the damage still dealt? --[[User:Khallos|Khallos]] 21:45, 30 April 2007 (BST)
#:Yes. And, it might be good to have a proper format for singing a vote. Place a # sign right before the vote and then press the signature button after you written your vote. Thanks for voting for my suggestion, and sorry for the inconvince caused above.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 21:43, 30 April 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' I liked this when it was in suggestions. Just a little scared now of club weilding zombies!--[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]] 23:00, 30 April 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep'''- Zambah zmazh!--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 01:49, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Always thought that zombies should be able to use blunt weapons more effectively anyway... that's in genre, IMO. Don't take much coordination to whack someone with a lump of 4x2 -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:10, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''keep''' - I like my idea so much I'll vote for it... I ment to put this up at some point, but never got round to it. Anyway, its here now. [[User:The Mad Axeman|The Mad Axeman]] 10:04, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#I wasn't even going to vote on this... but since people are clearly playing a different game than me... I suppose I have to... <b>ZOMBIES CAN USE ITEMS!!!</b> not just 1 or 2... like... all melee weapons... This just gives zombies a Shotgun/Pistol equivalent. A high attack method that requires searching.... dude... come on... how much more balanced could this get? Oh... also, first scene of Night of the Living Dead. Out of genre my ass.--[[User:Ev933n|Ev933n]] / [[User talk:Ev933n|Talk]] <sub>[[User:Ev933n#PPGC|PPGC]]</sub> 18:58, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''keep''' - Zeds need a little something more.... --[[User:Poodle of doom|Poodle of doom]] 15:31, 13 May 2007 (BST)
#Author's Vote: I never do this, but I only do it here just to get it away from Peer Reject and into Peer Undecide.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]] 18:49, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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#'''Kill''' - Blah blah blah, Zombie Survival Guide, blah blah blah, out of genre, blah blah blah, dead don't look for stuff, blah blah blah, no hand-eye coordination.  Blah.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 00:30, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - But only if I can tie a [http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=110 rat] to it. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jedaz|ΣT]] [[Mod_Conspiracy|MC]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://da-jedas.deviantart.com/ ΞD] [http://www.opengis.com/ GIS] [http://www.solidinc.tk/ S!] <span style="color: #06F">23:51,</span> <span style="color: #05F">1</span> <span style="color: #04F">May</span> <span style="color: #03F">2007</span> <span style="color: #02F">(GMT)</span></span></sup>
#:{{s|'''Re: '''Yes the stick with a rat tied to it!! [[User:Deathnut|RAF Lt.G Deathnut]] <sup> [[RAF|RAF]] </sup> 04:27, 1 May 2007 (BST)}} Non-author Re struck. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 06:54, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - [[User:Sonofagun18|Sonofagun18]] 05:37, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Allthough the basic idea is good, it's simply to overpowered. The skills are simply to good. - [[User:BzAli|BzAli]] 10:19, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - similar idea came to me once, but after a thought i decided that i don't like it. zombies don't use objects --[[User:Duke Garland|Duke Garland]]<sup>[[LCD]]</sup> 10:36, 1 May 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - It's a nice idea in theory but it's too similar to how survivors work (more powerful weapons have to be restocked by searching) and this game's strength is in differences between zombies and survivors. I also think it's genre-breaking and overpowered. MAYBE I'd go for it if it weren't so similar to survivor mechanics and if it weren't so overpowered. Zombies with poor coordination can hit 50% of the time with a crude club when the most skilled survivors in the area can only hit 40% of the time with an axe that's been designed and balanced to swing? And it does 33% more damage? Even with zombie strength I'm not buying it. Also, 50% is a very high search rate. Look at existing numbers before you design something. This might work and be less unbalanced if it was an "low chance high damage weapon" like a flare gun -- zombies rarely hit with it, but they do more damage than they would with a bite/grab, and then the club frequently or always breaks, also like a flare gun. --[[User:Rasi|Rasi]] 07:54, 1 May 2007 (EST)
#'''Kill''' -When maxed out the average damage is 1.51HP/AP. That is reasonable for a limited use weapon. But a club wielding bunch of zombies would spoil the game for me.--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 11:47, 3 May 2007 (BST)
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#'''Strong Kill''' -No double-edged skills, and the basic reason given for the suggestion is flawed- humans can hold territory? AH HA HA no.--[[User:AlexanderRM|AlexanderRM]] 02:41, 4 May 2007 (BST)
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