View source for RRF/archive2

== What is NW? May I have the link? ==

Being a zombie fan I read your former leader interview with Channel 4 News. He talked about a NW thing which seems to be a zombie game that is fairer to zombies, may I be told more and given the link pls? =)
:[http://www.nexuswar.com/ NW]
::It's not about zombies. It's just fairer to the players who were always the underdog. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[ The Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [[ DORIS]] [[Witch Burners|Hunt!]]</sup> 17:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

== Greetings Brothers ==
As it has been Nearly a Year Since [[Mall Tour '06]] I think it is time to Begin another Mall Tour. [[Mall Tour '07]] Shows good promises. By the time the festivities begin, the most major Malls will be eradicated. I ask that you guys jump into the fun this year with others who wish to party on. I hope to see ya there. --[[User:Reptileus|Reptileus]] 22:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

== [[The James Earl Jones Awards]] ==

{{JEJ Nomination|User= The Ridleybank Resistance Front |Award= Best Zombie Group}}
{{JEJ Winner|User= The RRF |Award= Best Zombie Group}}

== Santlerville ==
you have no business in Santlerville. We will fight against you till we die. The [[Malton Music Industry]] are fighting against you now. -[[User:Bassist55|Bassist55]] 14:27, 16 April 2007 (BST)

== {{User|DonTickles}} is NOT a vandal ==

this is the report I filed below. whats up with that MJ?----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]&bull; [[Mossad| ה ]]&bull;[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 13:17, 8 June 2007 (BST)

{{User|DonTickles}} 
{{vndl|DonTickles}}

URL: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Malton_Rangers&diff=631724&oldid=628195<br>
why is this RFF Member adding a email contact on our group page?<br>
I reverted back how it should be. please look in to this matter----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]&bull; [[Mossad| ה ]]&bull;[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 12:49, 8 June 2007 (BST)

::Might be due to the fact that was a member of your group via a multi. And why did you post this here anyway? If you're trying to start an argument with MJ you're a little late. --[[User:Karek|karek]] 13:37, 8 June 2007 (BST)

:::Umm, because I had an alt in the Rangers who made a suggestion about adding an email address to the contacts page to help give previously non-metagaming players another avenue of contact to the group. It was OKed by Ian and Mel, I set up the account and gave the username and password to her, who said she passed it along to Ian and the squad leaders. I never hid my alts, my profiles were in every signature when I posted. I even pmed Ian before I joined to make sure it was ok and that there would be no conflicts. When I gained a leadership position in the RRF I left the Rangers to avoid alt conflicts and left a goodbye message on the board to that effect. I have not visited the NMC boards since then and you'll find the date of the wiki edit to be while I was a legitimate member. If I recall the thread where this started was the "We are Rangers" thread. If you wish I will log back into the board and forward the PMs between me, Ian, and Mel to you. A little quick to jump all over my ass don't you think? --[[User:DonTickles|DonTickles]] 14:47, 8 June 2007 (BST)
::::yes I was and I'm sorry bout that. and no, since I know MJ I was just asking him because I know him to a very stand up and classy person. from what I hear so are you don. so again my apologies.----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]] <sup> [[Malton Rangers|MR]]&bull; [[Mossad| ה ]]&bull;[[User_talk:Sexualharrison|T]]</sup>[[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 13:14, 9 June 2007 (BST)

==I have a question.==
I have a question. What with the recent addition of ruining a building, will you ruin the buildings in Ridleybank? I really want to know. [[User:P02 Samuel|P02 Samuel]] 09:35, 16 August 2007 (BST)

==An Evil Plan==

[[Creedy_Prison_Experiment|This]] nefarious scheme aims to imprison trenchcoaters in Fort Creedy, in order to 're-educate' them. '''Lots''' of bra!nz involved. Interested? -- [[User:Bob Fortune|Bob Fortune]] 14:59, 16 August 2007 (BST)

==Clan Wolverine==

Hello Ridleybank Restiance Front. Were a new group to Malton bent on preserving the game no matter what: a draw til the end of time (cause their is no way to win) Anyways, were putting this offer out to all the major group, even if we are new and unexperianced. If you need human help on anything (healing zombes ( it helps) killing, pk'ing, gk'ing) just feel free to give us a call. Were currently in Fort Peryn, since we dont attack malls or Forts, and they have a lot of free supplies to use up, courtesy of one of your rivals the Cannonball Crew. Anyways good luck in Ridleybank (well try to stop thru, feel free to kill us :D) and enjoy your feast of Brainz. Barrah! [[User: Eragon Hallis|Eragon Hallis]] 0037 September 17th (EST)

== The Second Big Bash ==
In a show of support for [[The Second Big Bash]], I have created a infobox template for display on Group and User pages. Here is a copy of it, for use on your group's page:

{{BigBash}}

 <nowiki>{{</nowiki>BigBash<nowiki>}}</nowiki>

Thanks! And enjoy some yummy [[brains]]! {{User:Ekashp/Zig}} 22:54, 4 October 2007 (BST)

== RRF Template ==

Does the RRF happen to have a template along the lines of "This user is a member of the RRF"? --[[User:Secruss|Secruss]] 22:15, 13 October 2007 (BST)
:Pretty much just [[Template:RRF]]--{{User:Karek/sig}} 22:30, 13 October 2007 (BST)

== Roftwood could be destroyed if you guys come soon... ==

Roftwood (especially Hildebrand Mall) has been a survivor foothold for attacks on Ridleybank for too long! If you come NOW, you can help us destroy the Mall, and local NecroTechs, and therefore virtually destroy all survivor strength in the area!

Hurry, before the siege breaks down! I beg you! [[User:Standard Zombie|Standard Zombie]] 01:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

:We go where we want. We don't care about destroying survivor footholds because they will always, always come back. Survivors will never stop attacking Ridleybank, ever. I can't possibly speak for the whole RRF here, but I personally do not play this game as some kind of crazy war. Survivors can hold territory as much as they like, us zambahz prefer to just tour around eating our fill and having a good laugh, and hopefully playing against survivors who share the same mentality.

:With Roftwood being so close I'm sure we'll wind up dining there at some point. But when we do so it'll be for fun, not to diminish survivor strength or some other zombie-army term. The furthest we go is turning the whole nearby area red to bring some sort of zombie apocalypse feel back into the game.

:And why would you beg, my friend? We're zambahz, not paupers. -- [[User:LordOlam|LordOlam]] 01:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== Goolina PKing ==

<b>FAO: Goolina.</b> We see that you PKed one of our members and with coarse language that was not suitable for young ears. Please be careful with your language as we have many younger members in our group that were witness. The recent RPing between our two groups has been in good taste up until now and it would be sad to see this situation degenerate. Thank you, {{User:Jensonson/sig}} 13:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== May The BARHAH be with you always, good Ridleys. ==

[[Image:Jedi_Barhah.png]]

== Zerging in the RRF ==

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=145475
http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=145532

Both of them found simultaneously in the Dibbings Building. [[User:Slicer|Slicer]] 19:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting us know about this. --[[User:Bobs Aturd|Bobs Aturd]] 04:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Just so you know it was swiftly dealt with. We do not put up with such behavior here in the RRF. Thanks again for bringing this issue to out attention.[[User:Yosemiteclimber|Yosemiteclimber]] 22:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== A Tribute from Worthy Foes ==
In response to the Front's victory at Ackland Mall, the good folks at Ackland Mall Security offered the Front this memento of our battle. May all our foes be as capable and as dignified as they are.

{{AMSremember}}


== Get off moy land ==
I would like to ask your living members not to graphitti over my bases as it is rather annoying <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Warlord zephyr|Warlord zephyr]] ([[User talk:Warlord zephyr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Warlord zephyr|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small>

== Ridleybank now... ==

...is held by survivors. Seriously, I thought I could take a nice vacation here, but I keep getting headshot, and all the buildings are locked, and most are powered! Comon guys... [[User:BoboTalkClown|BoboTalkClown]] 16:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Template ==

{{Ridleybank Resistance Front|Secruss}}

<nowiki>{{Ridleybank Resistance Front|Username}}</nowiki>

Hope you like it.

Also, I was wondering if anyone has an old [[DoHS]] logo that I can use. The standalone type.

--{{User:Secruss/Sig}}21:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:You can find it on [http://ridleybank.org ridleybank.org]--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Ravaging Roftwood ==

Dear RRF, this is GreenWing, the Head Administrator of the [[Malton Medical Staff]] who - with the [[Upper Left Corner]] - are playing naked twister with the nurses in St. Ethelbert's Hospital in Roftwood. Well, we would be, but you keep interrupting our game. I mean, I get kind of shy when zombies step inside to watch, it's kind of pervy and I always miss where I'm supposed to put my right hand or left foot every time the generator and lights go out.

I'm afraid that zombies are not allowed to play because last time, we had one win the game because he could detach his foot and place it where it was supposed to go - that's using an unfair advantage. Your continued, persistent and co-ordinated attacks on the Hospital are also proving most distressing to the many zoo animals we have in the wards, particularly the Raptors and the platypussies - or is it platypi or platypae..?

What's more offensive is that it all started when I was singing "chirpy chirpy cheep cheep", a Staff favourite. We have lasted a rather long time and I was going - should the Hospital and Staff still be standing by Valentine's Day - to have a Zombie and Harman speed dating evening followed by music, dancing, performances from the many animals and finally a disco where we bring out the special alcohol and put it in the drip feeds. Alas, with the strike attacks we may nor last a fortnight though we will do our uttmost to.

Yours in Comedy, GreenWing - Head Administrator, [[MMS]]--[[User:Sunil|Sunil]] 23:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== A message for Willie Clinton ==

Hello Willie, it was delightful to meet you in Peppardville. I'm only sorry I didn't have the opportunity to take you up on the Pacman challenge in the tournament, I am good with a joystick as you pointed out. Perhaps the next time we meet...and yes, your hair is terrific. *Wanders off humming Hail to the Chief* 

[[Image:Icie.jpg‎]]

--[[User:Icie Hot|Icie Hot]] 08:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

== I just saw the RRF wiki and... ==
I must say its one of the nicest pages on this wiki. Good work :) [[User:The man|The man]] 22:17, 7 April 2008 (BST)

:Thanks. ;o) --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 01:41, 8 April 2008 (BST)

== OMG Drama!!!! ==

Unless you have been under a rock (or simply not on this wiki) for these past two months, you will have no doubt heard of The Dead.
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/The_Dead]
As you can see by their extremly high numbers (A record, I believe!),their malicious (even by UD standards!) rants,[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:The_Dead], and their sheer disregard for the game as a whole[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:The_Dead#Easy.2C_now...], they are NOT your average horde.  Let's face it, these guys have totally, and completely, '''broken''' the game, and nothing can stop these guys.
How does the RFF, being a much more mature Zombie [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU group] than The Dead, feel about this whole thing?
--[[User:Dedling|Dedling]] 02:37, 14 April 2008 (BST)

:We don't really have many feelings either way. -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 03:22, 14 April 2008 (BST)

:lmao, what up rrf? is petro still kickin around? {{User:Katthew/Sig}} 21:20, 16 April 2008 (BST)
::Nah, Petro left in early 2007.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:31, 16 April 2008 (BST)
::They promissed some moar Petro for us this year :( --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 21:38, 16 April 2008 (BST)
::Petro left the RRF in April 2006 and gave me the title of Papa which I gave up in Fall 2006. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [[Militant Order of Barhah|MOB]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:45, 16 April 2008 (BST)
:The Dead didnt broke the game. They have done the same thing all other large hordes have done to the game, but in a larger scale. The only thing they have accomplished that no other horde ever done was to get the dangermap to have no safe burbs for harmans to live on. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 21:38, 16 April 2008 (BST)

== the Truth ==
Hello, we are Terra, and we demand to know the truth.

[http://media.switchpod.com//users/terra/Goolina.wav Goolina]

We are eagerly awaiting your response! {{User:Terra/Sig}} 04:53, 10 June 2008 (BST)


Haha, you're not wearing nearly enough tin foil to hear the truth..Uh..I mean..truth, what truth? [[User:Bobs Aturd|Bobs Aturd]] 02:03, 11 June 2008 (BST)
:YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]]  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 02:04, 11 June 2008 (BST)

::We would like to let you know that you have until Monday to release the information, or you will be guilty of covering this up. {{User:Terra/Sig}} 16:43, 15 June 2008 (BST)

:::*Yawns* -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 02:19, 17 June 2008 (BST)

::::[http://media.switchpod.com//users/terra/Goolinafinal.wav The truth about Goolina] We are awaiting your official response. Evidence of this can be found [[User:Terra/Evidence|here]]. {{User:Terra/Sig}} 06:27, 17 June 2008 (BST)

Oh, the rank comedy of this. In the original message Professor Stephen Hawking claimed to have information pertaining to the 'sudden retirement' of Goolina from the RRF. How amusing then that when unveiling the 'evidence' he was forced to back track from this, presumably after he actually, ZOMG! checked the dates and spotted that the iWitness records were all from May, whilst Goolina retired in mid-February. So, let's just make this part clear for the hard-of-thinking: Goolina retired months ago and that has nothing to do with any subsequent case.

The iWitness links were compiled by myself (and far better than you have managed to) as part of a case which I, in my role as Papa of the RRF, posted for the Gore Corps and the RRF War Council. After discussion with both Goolina and others who are acquainted with the character it was decided that whilst we could point to two instances in which she had previously used the character Zambah Chicken, both almost a year old, it was in fact known to usually be in the control of her son. Upon deliberating on this and considering other factors I decided to ask her, in the interests of preventing further such misunderstandings, to ask her son to remove Zambah Chicken from the area whilst she keeps her character Gore Girl as far away from Nichols as possible in her capacity as a Quartly Librarian. She agreed unreservedly and only Goolina was subsequently seen in action in the Nichols area.

Now, why did we at the RRF decide to keep this internal? Simple. At best there was a simple misunderstanding; at worst she was alt abusing '''against the RRF'''. That last part was the core issue. If, and this is a big if, she was alt-abusing then in protecting Nichols and Blackmore it was a direct act against the Ridleybank Resistance Front and no-one else. As such we discussed the case amongst ourselves before making a ruling. When we decided that it was an unfortunate misunderstanding and she agreed to abide by our request to ensure that her and her son's characters never cross paths again on pain of having our case made public, that closed the book. If there was sin we were the ones sinned against and thus we took it upon ourselves to make the decision. She was told that, whether misunderstanding or actual crime, it was not to happen again. It has not. Simple internal discipline.  Had she still been a member of the horde then we would have kicked her out regardless for endangering our reputation, but she is a member of the Kilt Store and has not been in the RRF for four months. As such her reputation and that of the Kilt Store are of minimal concern to us.

Your desire for status, drama and salacious gossip borders on the pathetic, much like your assumed pseudo-Deepthroat persona. You speak of honesty and yet hide behind a facade, which in of itself is very telling. If a crime was committed then we at the Front were the victims of said crime. We decided that the evidence against her was not strong enough to present a public case and so took steps to ensure that if there was alt abuse afoot that it would not continue. So what exactly is the offence of which we and Goolina are guilty? Nothing. Our reputation remains touched as, frankly, does Goolina's.

If you spot Goolina heating against us in future then do feel free to draw our attention to it. Also, do please feel free to 'expose' any other 'crimes' that the RRF is supposed to have committed: My ROFLcopter does enjoy the airing. --[[User:The Hierophant|The Hierophant]] 17:12, 17 June 2008 (BST)
:You can hide behind the fact that some of our information was presented incorrectly but that does not change the fact that there was alt abuse, and certain members of the RRF chose to hide this. You may not feel that this is a crime and even if it is not we think that the Kilt store and the QSG deserve to know how Goolina chose to play the game. You say she does not abuse alts anymore but if there is abuse in the past we believe the groups need to know that there is warrant to believe that she has the ability to do it again with alts we do not know about. We understand your need to keep this hidden but it is not fair to the people who so highly regarded your group as one of the fair players. Most groups would not keep this hidden and would be very angry at this sort of activity.
:If you believe that this information is not satisfactory, you can kindly open up the information to the public. We feel releasing all of the information as it was posted would help lay off the blame on your group, although you are still guilty of coverin this up. We do not do this inorder to create drama, gossip, or to gain status among the UD community. We are already fairly influential people, and only desire to release the truth. We cannot reveal who we are because you would use that in an attempt to disprove our truths. Thank you for your response.{{User:Terra/Sig}} 19:13, 17 June 2008 (BST)

Ah, I see: You're so massively honest and highly influential that you can't reveal your identities. Nothing to do with the fact that you don't have the guts to stand by your feeble accusations under your known identity and admit that you accept information from forum spies. Yeah, we're the ones hiding stuff, obviously...

Now, as to our 'reasons' for 'hiding' this information, you claim to understand them, which is remarkable when they don't actually exist. We didn't go public because we felt the case not strong enough to start a public slanging match over and she agreed to get her and her son's characters the hell away from us: She did so and thus our worries about the possibility that we may be being cheated against went away. Further, had we gone public what exactly would we have lost? '''Goolina is not a member of the RRF and has not been for some months'''. If an offence were committed then we were the '''victims''', not the perpetrators and so we did not have to hide anything. Indeed, more likely that not we would have received kudos for taking on such a well-known figure (pretty much what you're trying and failing to achieve here). So, what reason did we have to hide anything? We got what we wanted, which is an honest fight with no controversy. I'll reiterate, because you're clearly not particularly intelligent: Goolina is not in the RRF and has not been for some months. Her actions are the responsibility of herself and her groups, not the RRF. As it happens I rather suspect that Kilt Store Owner and Sir Fred of Etruria will echo the following sentiment: You are shit-stirring to make yourself/ves appear important, but the reality is that you have an extremely weak case against Goolina and no case at all against the RRF. --[[User:The Hierophant|The Hierophant]] 19:46, 17 June 2008 (BST)

:We do not understand why you  chose to bring up the fact that Goolina is not a member of the RRF yet again...as in our last comment we did not mention anything that could lead you to believe that we thought that. If you had nothing to lose by releasing the information then you should have gone ahead and released it. We probably would have let this be if it was not for the constant public statements she makes about being anti-zerging, in particular against TexasXdooM (on her talk page). Another example of this is when she decided to acuse the DEM of being cheaters even though they release zergers to the public. We do not appreciate the fact that you insist on making personal attacks against Terra instead of focusing on the issue. {{User:Terra/sig}} 20:06, 17 June 2008 (BST)
::Wait, I accused someone of zerging ''last year'' when it was common knowledge - and still is - that SARG and Finis ran multiple characters in the same suburb. And in regards to the DEM, I accused them of being cheaters when they put the Gore Corps on automatic KOS status and used the Rogues Gallery to update our location, when it would have been spying if we'd have done that. You're great at pointing fingers here, but horrible at genuine specifics. 
::Keep in mind that alts are permitted in Urban Dead, ''provided that they lead completely separate existences within the game - your characters should not collaborate, nor share (or stand outside) the same building''. This is according to Kevan, whose judgement I trust since he made the game. Having different characters in separate suburbs, one of whom I wasn't even playing myself, isn't zerging. All the smoke and mirrors does little to deflect the fact that YOU are a spy. That, I think, is more damning than anything else. --[[User:Goolina|Goolina]] <sub>[[The Kilt Store]]</sub> 20:48, 17 June 2008 (BST)

We would hardly consider it forum spying when this sort of information is being hidden, plus the fact that a member confronted us about the information. If it was not such a big deal, then why did everyone hide it? Why did so many want it to be released?{{User:Terra/sig}} 21:03, 17 June 2008 (BST)

::Oh dear me, somebody has misinterpreted the spirit of the law. It is categorically impossible for a museum curator, kilt-store-employee, and zombie/human librarian to have the same goals. Was Goolina gathering art? No. Was Zambah Chicken hunting the PKers who were attacking the library at that point in time? no. Was Gore Girl following orders that the Kilt Store gave? No. As a member of an organization that roleplays, I feel the wiki should be here to enhance the game... but yet again I see the wiki devolving into American style political mudslinging. Accusations of very specific alt-abuse under the frightening term of zerg. Now, I would like to brag here. I have fought ''real'' zergs. In one conflict there were dozens of zombie-sentries being used against the [[QSG|librarians]]. It was horrible, every day I battled the same level one bastards for my [[Herbert NT|necrotech]]. That was a truly nefarious abuse of game mechanics. But so far, all you've done is proven you are indiscreet, and that you had access to someone's private information. Now, it sure does seem like you enjoy playing private eye and hunting out the bad guys. And I whole-heartedly encourage enjoying what you are good at... but quoting the third hand-information from a few months ago isn't something I'd brag about. For further discussion please come to the [[Quartly Library]] where I am most frequently. [[QSG|Quartly Librarians]] do not hide. [[User:Sir Fred of Etruria|Sir Fred of Etruria]]

We would like to close with this statement from Moloch himself.
"All of the above happened within five AP of Nichols Mall. Goolina is zerging against the RRF with no fewer than three of her characters. Do not kid yourself that she does not know exactly what she is and has been doing. She has been playing this game for two years and spent most of that time in the RRF. She knows that she is zerging and that makes her a cheat and unwelcome here. No-one is above the rules, no matter how famous the name."{{User:Terra/sig}} 22:35, 17 June 2008 (BST)
:I'd like to see a link to the actual forum in which this was discussed. I can't find it anywhere on the public RRF forums. --[[User:Goolina|Goolina]] <sub>[[The Kilt Store]]</sub> 00:16, 18 June 2008 (BST)

::It's not public, Terra's a forum spy. --[[user:Jasonjason|dgw]] 01:10, 18 June 2008 (BST)

*Yawns again*  It's over and it's been dealt with.  You say the RRF is covering something up when all of the "evidence" you've presented shows us at the victim of zerging instead of as the perpetrator.  We chose to handle this matter privately and it was resolved privately.  You're digging up old skeletons for the sake of creating drama (err... I'm sorry, to publicly embarrass someone... err... I'm sorry, the "truth").  Since the cat's out of the bag, everyone's going to get their turn to vilify Gooli, I guess.  But it's going to do a fat load of good because as I've already said, it's been resolved.  People are getting lathered up over pretty much nothing -- [[User:Murray Jay Suskind|Murray Jay Suskind]] 19:06, 18 June 2008 (BST)