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===20070826 1 XP for Ruin===
[[User:Steakfish|Steakfish]] 21:57, 26 August 2007 (BST) 

'''Suggestion type:'''<br />
Slight change to Ruin

'''Suggestion scope:'''<br />
Everybody, I guess.

'''Suggestion description'''<br />

I submitted this suggestion before (just after Ruin was introduced), and it seemed to be well on it's way to Peer Reviewed. Since the last update, though, Ruin now has more significant effects. I withdrew the original, and am resubmitting it now, since many people may wish to change their votes. I still think that changing a building's status to "Ruined" should give a 1 XP reward, just like the initial Ransack of the building does. This would give zombies a source of experience that isn't related to combat (survivors have several non-combat XP sources). It would be a small, self-limiting source, since a building can only be ruined once, until someone fixes it. It's not very AP efficient (about the same as beating on barricades, or reading books). It does, however, give Zombies something usefull to do in the more unpopulated suburbs. Besides, I'm sure all you Survivors would rather have the Zombies burning their AP on ruining empty buildings than tearing down YOUR barricades. --[[User:Steakfish|Steakfish]] 21:57, 26 August 2007 (BST)

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'''Keep Votes'''
#'''Author's Vote''' - I think Ruin still deserves 1 XP. --[[User:Steakfish|Steakfish]] 21:59, 26 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Could cut down ZKing. I agree, it should be the same as ransacking. [[User:Park avenue|Park avenue]] 23:01, 26 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' --[[User:Secruss|Secruss]] 23:46, 26 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I like it. --{{User:Midianian/Sig}} 12:02, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I like to think of XP as being like the rings in Sonic. They guide you down the right path, but they're not your goal. --&nbsp;[[User:Toejam|<small><span style="border:solid #000000 1px; background-color: #FFFFFF; color: black">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span></small>]]&nbsp; 16:08, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Seems fare to me, to give a zed, at least, one lousy XP for its effort. --[[User:Sonofagun18|Sonofagun18]] 16:27, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' -  Its silly that it isn't already. --[[User:Druuuuu|Druuuuu]] 17:25, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keeper''' It looks like there are less zombies then people, So, Why not? --[[User:Kaynex|Kaynex]] 19:41, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' --[[User:Duke Garland|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]<sub>[[User talk:Duke Garland|T]]</sub><sup>[[LCD|']][[Signature Race|']][[SSZ|']]</sup> 21:02, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Why not?''' - Survivors have spraypaint, books, and so much other crap, and it's only 1 XP! [[User:BoboTalkClown|BoboTalkClown]] 21:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I thought it did already! Oh, well! It should give XP...don't see why not...[[User:Standard Zombie|Standard Zombie]] 02:12, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - It's only 1XP for expending several AP, why not?- [[User:Pavluk|Pavluk]] 11:23, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - It's not overpowered, so i think its good.-[[User:MikhailA|MikhailA]] 13:45, 29 August 2007 (BST)

'''Kill Votes'''
#'''Hyper-Kill'''- Enough of a headache for survivors already.[[User:Nalikill|Nalikill]] 22:53, 26 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Please, Ruin does'nt need any more of an incentive. It already acts as a booby trap to screw over frerunning routes.--[[User:Seventythree|Seventythree]] 00:10, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill it Dead''' - It screws with FR. It doesn't need more of an incentive.--[[User:Driaquer|Driaquer]] 00:23, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Unnecessary. --[[User:The Hierophant|The Hierophant]] 11:32, 27 August 2007 (BST)
# I see no purpose.  Anybody who has purchased the Ransack skill (and hence could earn XP this way) is already doing rather well at earning XP.  ''Comment- HELL NO this isn't a [[Suggestion:20070817_1_xp_for_Ruin#20070817_1_xp_for_Ruin|dupe]].  An essential point of removing a suggestion is that it makes said suggestion NOT a "dupable" link.  Else there is no reason to ever remove anything, eh?  For more discussion on this, we should use the talk page.''  {{User:Swiers/Sig}} 14:25, 27 August 2007 (BST) 
#'''Kill''' - Ruin is more of a strategic thing, counterpart to building barricades, than a particularly character-showing act - I don't think it fits for it to give XP. --[[User:Pgunn|Pgunn]] 15:19, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - More XP for zeds? No. --[[User:Abi79|Abi79]] <sup>[[The_Abandoned|AB]]</sup> 16:58, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Headshot''' - as above... --[[User:WOOT|WOOT]] 22:38, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Pointless''' - As above. --[[User:Macampos|Private Mark]] 01:43, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' for the reasons given by the other users.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid MediumSeaGreen">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[Signature_Race|<span style="background-color: MediumSeaGreen; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;+1&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:52, 4 September 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Same as above, no more incentive needed. --[[User:Slightly Lions|Slightly Lions]] 12:41, 6 September 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Stop wasting everyones time, read my struck vote if you want/need more.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 14:08, 6 September 2007 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Oh wow! 1 xp to ruin a building! So inviting!--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 16:42, 9 September 2007 (BST)
#I'm just gonna vote kill cause all those dupe votes down there are just confusing me now...so...look at the reasons above. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 00:52, 10 September 2007 (BST)

'''Spam/Dupe Votes'''
#'''<s>[[Suggestion:20070817_1_xp_for_Ruin#20070817_1_xp_for_Ruin|Dupe]]''' - <s>Please find and link</s>Found [[Suggestion:20070817_1_xp_for_Ruin#20070817_1_xp_for_Ruin|it]], it's the exact same suggestions. Time frame shouldn't matter, nothing has really changed here.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 00:22, 27 August 2007 (BST)</s> Changing vote cause semantics.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 14:08, 6 September 2007 (BST)
#:{{S|RE: same author, Been deleted. This isn't a dupe. --[[User:Kaynex|Kaynex]] 19:42, 27 August 2007 (BST)}}
#:That one has been removed, so doesn't qualify for a dupe. I suggest you vote again <small>The preceding signed comment was added by [[User:Boxy|boxy]] ([[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boxy|contribs]]) at 10:58 27 August 2007 (BST)</small>
#::Strange, I didn't notice the removal but, it was a pointless removal anyway. There is absloutely no good reason why that one was removed and this one suggested, the results of the voting look to be identical, the suggestion is identical, the small change in ruin doesn't change this ones mechanic, the only difference I see between the two is that suggestion has a comment from [[User:Kevan|Kevan]] on the discussion page. It is a waste of everybodies time and the previous one should have been left open, the way I see it is it's him trying to go through a loophole in the voting rules to get this through without the comments on the discussion page.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 01:54, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#:::Your assumption about my intentions is incorrect. Please read my comment below, and then check out the discussion page. --[[User:Steakfish|Steakfish]] 02:55, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#'''Dupe''' - same --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[ The Ridleybank Resistance Front|RRF]] [[DORIS]] [[Caiger Resistance Front|CRF]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:26, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#:'''NOTE''' Removed suggestion are not part of the archives and do not count as a valid suggestion for a dupe link.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid MediumSeaGreen">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[Signature_Race|<span style="background-color: MediumSeaGreen; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;+1&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:52, 4 September 2007 (BST) 
#'''Dupe''' - It's still a dupe if someone else has already suggested it, no matter if it went through the system or was aborted. That's the way I see it for the short term anyways (like within the same week or two). --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 11:15, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#:I am the author of the older one AND this one. The mechanic for Ruin changed. I thought people might want to change their votes because of that, so I removed the old one, which was just a couple days away from Peer Reviewed, and brought it back here. --[[User:Steakfish|Steakfish]] 12:57, 27 August 2007 (BST)
#::'''RE<nowiki>:</nowiki>''' Then you should have made a note on the previous suggestion in bold/italics regarding the change. Not put something to a vote to get the same results and note your feelings about how the change didn't matter. Things like this are why people normally spam any changes to a recent game addition in suggestions.--{{User:Karek/sig}} 01:57, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#:::I appologize for putting this up twice, but many of the votes on the old one were along the lines of "Kill- Ruin helps survivors more, so why reward zombies for doing it?" and "Keep- It would make Ruin worthwhile." I didn't want my suggestion to get through to Peer Reviewed with so many people voting for reasons that are no longer valid. I did it because I thought it was the right thing to do, not because I wanted to squelch the discussion, Spam the Wiki, or get more keep votes. --[[User:Steakfish|Steakfish]] 02:37, 28 August 2007 (BST)
#:'''NOTE''' Removed suggestion are not part of the archives and do not count as a valid suggestion for a dupe link.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid MediumSeaGreen">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[Signature_Race|<span style="background-color: MediumSeaGreen; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;+1&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:52, 4 September 2007 (BST) 
#'''DIE DIE DIE!''' -STOP SUGGESTING RUIN CHANGES! THIS MUST BE THE 10TH RUIN CHANGE I'VE SEEN TODAY AT LEAST!--[[User:AlexanderRM|AlexanderRM]] 14:10, 29 August 2007 (BST)