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==Thank you from the PK==

Hey there, thanks for reverting the vandalism on the [[Philosophe Knights]] wiki page. We appriciate your vigilance. (My apologies if this is in the wrong place on your talk page) --{{user:VI/signature}} 16:37, 25 May 2008 (BST)

==Blah==

The Dead are going crazy. Seems they think they know everything, and can do anything. You may want to swing by the DHPD pages and the Dunell Hills talk page [[User:Cisisero|Cisisero]] 05:35, 3 April 2008 (BST)

==Erm==
[[UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Seventythree/2008-02-27 Promotion|Although I agree, let's not get ahead of ourselves here]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::Responded [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 23:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

:Mmkay, it's no biggie for me. <small>Oh, and [[+1]] :)</small> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== Movie Trailer ==

i seem to remember something about a big skull, is that what your talking about? --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 14:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
:hah, yeah. i couldn't help but be reminded of the mad max movies either. much of the bullgod persona comes from the Lord Humongous of the second movie and the speeches he would give, and this definitely reminded me of that. --[[User:Bullgod|Bullgod]] 14:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

==Channel 4 News Team==
Thanks for protecting us from vandals, Conn! I just noticed that! Right on! Keep on rocking! --[[User:Ron Burgundy|Ron Burgundy]] 03:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

==Yeah. . .==
[[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Vandal_Banning#User:Illusionist|I think You've done it again]], neither one of those returned a proxy when I checked them.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 04:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

= Old Buisness =
==A/PT==
If you've got anything to add to your [[A/PT]] request, please do, otherwise the DHPD pages will be unprotected very soon <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 06:29 28 October 2009 (BST)</small>

So what's the story with trying to trademark the DHPD, eh? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 22:12 31 October 2009 (BST)</small>

:Now that several years have passed... I was looking at starting a real world<sup>tm</sup>  organization that was going to be a non-profit multi-platform, multi-genre organization but the membership ended up not being there, and infiltration into the organization by those who were in reality more against the group than for it. My own failures in addressing membership concerns and a lack of maturity on my part didn't make things much better. Congrats on the promo btw. --[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:49, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

== Notice ==
I'm here to tell you that you've been demoted as per the A/RE bid you've made, which unfortunately, was rejected by the current bureaucrats. Because of the time it took to notify you of this, you may have already noticed this when you've tried to do some administration tasks on A/D, A/SD, A/MR or A/PT. If not, I'm not too surprised. Don't be afraid to do some work and reapply in the future. --{{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sigcode|Chartreuse}}-- 05:21, 7 September 2009 (BST)

==Misconduct==
You might want to go and fix your ruling - looks like you accidentally used an extra tilde while signing so it only spat out a timestamp. Wan struck it as an "unsigned vote". {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 11:38, 31 August 2009 (BST)

==Reevaluation bid==
Heyo.  First of all thanks for responding to my question about covering cyberbob's butt.  I respect that you have a different perspective than me.  Specifically what I'm interested in is why.  You indicated that bob is opinionated and he makes some intelligent points.

I agree with that, but I think he was out of control in july.  Do you disagree with me, and if so why?--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 18:09, 28 August 2009 (BST)

== REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ==

{{Revolution}}
DOWN WITH THE CRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --[[User:Imthatguy|Imthatguy]] 18:50, 3 July 2009 (BST)

==Duddddeeee.....==
Can you not make those pages? They will mostly never get edited. Hows about people make them as they want to actually use one, that way no stubs? --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:12, 10 June 2009 (BST)

nO?--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 03:20, 10 June 2009 (BST)

I'm only doing A&B, there is a method to my madness...when I get done with B there will be somethign on the Wiki news... [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:21, 10 June 2009 (BST)

What the hell is with all the "family" pages?--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 03:22, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Project..coming soon to the Wiki News...[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 03:23, 10 June 2009 (BST)

Well hurry up!--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 03:28, 10 June 2009 (BST)

People can't even be arsed putting real game history onto old historical group pages, and you expect them to make up hundreds of pages worth of purely fictional history for Malton... good luck <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 03:48 10 June 2009 (BST)</small>

Holy crap what the heck just happened? I think I felt the server's hard drive squeal and squeak in a bad way and then give off a rather nasty farting sound. O_o --{{User:BobBoberton/sig}} 03:50, 10 June 2009 (BST)


Jesus Conn, do you honestly see a point in [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Misconduct&curid=2730&diff=1485450&oldid=1484964 this]?--[[KyleStyle_For_Everything|<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Mr. Angel,</span> ]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 04:23, 15 June 2009 (BST)
:No...And when the time comes I'll change my vote to what it needs to be...But this could help diffuse the situation. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 04:46, 15 June 2009 (BST)
::Legitimising Sonny's trolling by calling a vote at his whim will not diffuse anything. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 05:58, 15 June 2009 (BST)
:::the Vote was asked for...I put it up. No complaining about not listening to the will of the people BS. Now as each sysop looks at the case they can make their own opinion and likely share the same opinion, but at the very least "the people" get their vote. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 06:47, 15 June 2009 (BST)
::::I still wish you would had waited for the ''real'' people to have a say, rather than one ex-user who was more butthurt about his own historical reputation than the revision of our history. I do understand your point though. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 06:58, 15 June 2009 (BST)
::::I do understand your point, but there's a difference between a disgrunted ex-user who hasn't be actively editing for years, and the "voice of the community." If it was five active users, then yes, a vote probably would be warranted, but not just a few inactive users from the same group. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:59, 15 June 2009 (BST)

==Warning==
[[Image:Stop_hand.png|left|35px]]Please do not use your sysop powers as a badge of authority on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked. You're just one escalation away from a 24 hour ban, so I would try and toe the line. M'kay?  -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 10:50, 25 April 2009 (BST)

==Misconduct==
Congrats, your on there. Before looking though, take a few good guesses about who made the case. If you guessed right my question about personal issues on A/M is answered.--[[User:MisterGame|Thadeous Oakley]] 13:22, 15 April 2009 (BST)

Guess you didn't get the memo that I tagged out.  You are now the A/M whipping boy. Sorry, dude. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 16:25, 15 April 2009 (BST)

==A/VB==
A vote for a perma ban of Iscariot is up on the A/VB page. Please weigh the facts and submit your vote. Thank you.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 13:52, 3 June 2009 (BST)

==Looking for an impartial third person view==
I have a submission up for voting at Submissions; it's [[Suggestion:20090411_Music!_Music!_Music!]]. I have been accused of creating a dupe of a submission called [[Suggestion:20071027 Instruments]]. In my opinion, the two are distinctly different; a couple of other users seem to disagree. I was wondering if you could make an impartial third-party decision and either exonerate or condemn my submission, since you are both a sysop and an arbitrator. Thanks. -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 00:25, 15 April 2009 (BST)
:Being a sysop has nothing to do with this, but you should throw it into Arbitration if you're worried about it so much. But why bother? You only have one dupe vote (J3D specified his was actually a spam vote) and Dupe votes don't count as a kill in the end anyway, and about 12 more people need to vote spam  (or 2 dupes) for it to be removed anyway... Basically, '''Ross''' should be taking '''you''' to arbitration if he wants opinion to become law, because right now you could do nothing and still get your suggestion through. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 02:50, 15 April 2009 (BST)
::And its not a dupe anyway...Differnt enough in scope.[[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 02:58, 15 April 2009 (BST)
:::I don't like leaving problems to solve themselves. And thank you for stopping by, Condraka. -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 04:08, 15 April 2009 (BST)

Oh, sorry about that. My mistake. -[[User:CaptainVideo|CaptainVideo]] 05:51, 15 April 2009 (BST)

==Arkansas==
I read on the Malton discussion page that you are from [[wikipedia:Searcy, Arkansas|Searcy]]. That's awesome. I am also a [[wikipedia:Hot_Springs,_Arkansas|state resident]]. Are there more of us? I even created a [[Template:Arkansas|template]] so [[wikipedia:Arkansas|the Natural State]] would have one like [[wikipedia:New_York|the Empire State]] and [[wikipedia:Texas|the Lone Star State]], but I thought I would be the only one who might use it.--[[User:El Payaso Malo|Bishop Vagancia I]] 08:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC) 
==Apologies==
I apologize for the change to Molebank's suburb page. It just appeared to be a mistake, but in reality it was my mistake. Thanks for letting me know. :)  [[User:Chili Mac|Chili Mac]] 02:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
==Wtf==
Stop it. For fuck's sake.--{{User:Thari/sig}} 10:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Warning==
[[Image:Stop_hand.png|left|35px]]Please do not create sock puppet accounts for trolling purposes on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked. <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 09:43 15 January 2009 (BST)</small>

==[[A/MR]]==
We've gotten tons of requests for DHPD sub-page moves. Apparently a bunch of pages were made as sub-pages of the redirect instead of the group. I mention it here because odds are you know where most of them are or would be and where they would want them to go. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:Replied [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 14:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dunell Hills Defacement ==

Some jerk "[[User:Iggles|Iggles]]" is vandalizing the NPOV 'A Breif History' on the [[Dunell Hills]] page written in uneasy collaboration between the the Dead, WanYao, and the DHPD; He keeps reverting my fixes and his grammar is horrible. Is there anything you can do? --[[User:MartyBanks|Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) &lt;DHPD&gt;]] 22:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


==Permabanned Users==
So it seems that members of the team are [[UDWiki_talk:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Amnesty#Maybe_it's_me,but...|open]] to reviewing previous vandal banning cases in order to bring them up to date with [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Reduce_Vandal_Escalations|this policy]]. Does this work for you? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 19:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==DHPD Pages on SD==
I had heard stories about sheep huddling in the pens even after the gate is opened.... I'm disappointed to say the least, but not wholly surprised. 
Two words:  shit storm
You ready?  --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:15, 8 October 2008 (BST)
:In my heart I will always hate like you're a real DHPDer! :) I'm very curious to see how things turn out.--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:19, 8 October 2008 (BST)

WTF?  LETTING THE CASE END LIKE THAT?  SO ANTI-CLIMATIC! BAD, CONN! --[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 06:08, 9 October 2008 (BST)


Uh, wow. I screen capped Grim's IPs by the way. I know they clear out eventually. You may want to make sure you have them also in case the ban doesn't stick. Thanks for saving the stuff at the bottom. It will be nice to read from time to time. If he was working on all these ideas to "fix" the wiki then why didn't they come out until now? --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 01:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Just adding this under "my" header so we can keep the talk in the same place. I missed your message on the talk page of my ''manifesto''.  The wiki needs a bit of an overhaul, but to show any real progress you need to start "at the top" and change policies regarding the sysops first. You have to show that the changes aren't just for the regular users. I'd be interested in your input on the start of my "harassment" policy idea on that same page. I can't help but base it on the DHPD/SA issues and some other things going on. Hindsight and all that...--{{User:Nubis/sig}} 20:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

'''Misconduct pages for regular users who arn't vandals''' THIS needs to happen. If not in an official capacity there should be an easier way to track the history of frequent abusers. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 04:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Wiki martyr should post Nubis' case against Iscariot cuz that would be awesome. AWESOME--[[Image:Globetrotters_Icon.png|15px]] '''[[User:DCC/Suggestions|#99]]'''  <sup>''[[User:DCC|DCC]] ''</sup> 23:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

==[[UZM]]==
Et u Connie? I would have thought the DHPD would be all for a zombie tracker? --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 04:25, 23 September 2008 (BST)

So you think anyone who builds a data collection website on say zombies roaming the DMZ shouldn't be able to actually state any information about them on the Wiki? What about DHPD links to players configs in the execute on sight list? Or links to resens pk/zerg lists? Or any reference to any group on any page? Are they all now open to deletion? I'm just trying to understand the logic here, seems pretty simple to me. it's an open access portal to zombie information. What if it was made by beerhah.com as a survivor tool to track zombies? The major problem with the barhah.com and MoB sympathizers seem to be the connection with [[Extinction]] through me. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 11:43, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Yes I understand the links thing, but don't see how that warrants page deletion rather than an arbitration case under the wiki guidelines. Jorm has already [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration#Jorm_and_the_MOB_versus_Zeug_and_Extinction|duplicated the dispute there]] and if successful it would remove the links rather than delete what is obviously a community resource page. --[[User:Zeug|Zeug]] 12:16, 23 September 2008 (BST)

== Moderation/abuse policies ==
I see you [[UDWiki:Moderation/Policy_Discussion/Locational_Language_%26_Interaction|were active]] in efforts to improve the community by instituting some sort of guidelines for discussion on the wiki. Is anything like this still in progress? There did seem to be support for it, albeit two years ago. I find some of the abusiveness found here completely contrary to the ideals of a collaborative environment. I get that people expect the freedom to say "fuck". But that doesn't mean that their anonymity should give them free license to be a complete asshole. It detracts from the community and certainly isn't helpful for newbies. Can something be done to deal with the most disruptive and antagonistic behavior, while not interfering with positive use of the wiki? --[[User:Zhani|Zhani]] 19:58, 4 September 2008 (BST)
:zhani, if this is about Talk:Suggestions ... it's YOU who is not being "collaborative". Numerous people who are VERY experienced and knowledgeable in this game have explained VERY constructively exactly why your idea is not a good one. People like karek and swiers, for example. However, you've refused to heed their advice and just cling to your thoroughly refuted, bad idea. In so doing it's YOU who has been "non-collaborative" and in so doing you've brought on the negative, flaming stuff yourself. The discussion was (Iscariot notwithstanding) quite constructive until you started acting like a whiney little brat. And in that context, I can kind of appreciate Iscariot's flaming... And now you're whining to Conn? Sheeesh. Smarten up... And, Conn, please excuse me for butting in here on your Talk page; however, I kind of thought that a contexualising comment and response (of sorts) was appropriate. Hey, I know you don't like me much, so this probably hurts my cause more than helps it, anyway... ;P --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:18, 4 September 2008 (BST)

:WanYao: 
:# This isn't about my suggestion at all. I have answered karek's comments, and will gladly take any constructive criticism into consideration as I revise my idea. Swiers didn't even post in regard to my suggestion, but countered your criticism. Your assertions that it is "bad" or "refuted" are simply your unsupported opinions. Your criticism has been off-base and not directed to the specifics of my concept. For each of the valid criticisms brought up, I have explained my reasoning. I contend that it's your behavior that is markedly childish.
:# This isn't whining, I'm entirely unstirred by the actions of trolls such as yourself and Iscariot. Trying to browbeat others into submission by being rude and aggressive doesn't tend to work on me. I do however recognize how negative it can be for a community, especially for a collaborative environment like a wiki. I believe the current attitude of completely ignoring uncivil behavior with the excuse of being anti-censorship is unsupportable. Wikipedia does not censor, but has policies such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette Etiquette] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers Don't Bite the Newbies] to keep the community friendly, civil, and productive. 
:# I submitted a previous idea, there were good arguments against it, and so I abandoned it. However, even before I did that, I recognized what a cesspool of biased and dogmatic opinion the suggestion area is, how burdened it is by agendas to maintain particular aspects of the game regardless of potential for improvement, and how those who have certain biases have no compunction about trying to drive off those with different ideas by personally antagonizing them, rather than addressing the idea itself. Contrary to your stated opinion, people do not "deserve flaming" simply for submitting an idea you don't like. That suggesting something garners such a response shows how broken the system is, and how there is a need to establish policies to determine what is acceptable or not.
:# I have seen in previous discussions of advocating for moderation guidelines or policies supporting civil behavior on this wiki that opponents assert that Kevan created this space for us and we are to "police ourselves". Well, how else are we to accomplish that, other than by agreeing to what is acceptable? There may be a contingent, even a large one, that gets glee out of showing off how offensive they can be, and getting ego-satisfaction out of belittling and harassing others. The sysops appear to turn a blind eye to this, since so long as it isn't actual vandalism of the wiki, they don't want to get involved.
:# Do players of this game want to see more players? Do they want people to stick around? Do they want people voluntarily putting in time to maintain and improve the wiki? I hope so. That seems to be part of the goal of having a wiki. And so behaviors that discourage new players or drive them off, or make people give up on contributing to the wiki, are demonstrably harmful to the intent of having it in the first place. Unless the desire is to keep it the exclusive domain of a like-minded group that is hostile to anyone who doesn't appreciate or agree with their behavior.
:So my bringing this up with Conndraka is not related to my own suggestions, but a result of seeing how anyone who submits a suggestion or dares propose something that doesn't fit the particular vision of the subset of the playerbase is treated with aggressive disrespect and contempt. Rather than see it go unaddressed, I would like to see if there is still support at all levels of the community to do something about it. I'm sure you find that idea threatening, since if such policies were brought in, you might be limited in your ability to lash out anonymously at people for the simple gall of saying something you disagree with. But if you are unable to discuss a ''game'', something people do for ''entertainment'', without such contempt and disregard for others, then I suggest it is you who has much growing up to do.
:--[[User:Zhani|Zhani]] 23:01, 4 September 2008 (BST)
Responded to... 23:47, 4 September 2008 (BST)

I have been VERY vocally speaking out in recent months against blatant trolling. And actually getting in a lot of shit over it. Because my idea is very simple: blatant serial trolling is vandalism. Period. And there is a big difference between someone simply being rude and insulting vs. trolling. The difference is almost always very clear, and when it's not, that is why there is ''discussion'' and ''voting'' on vandalism cases. Meanwhile, my method doesn't actually squelch people from expressing themselves, even in ways that may be offensive to some. But the Admin team won't even take this stance... And I do agree that blatant, serial trolling is destroying this wiki. Two things will destroy this game, and ''are'' destroying it: zerging and serial wiki trolls... 

That being said, however, this is not some hippie love-in. Just like in the real world, people are not always going to be nice to you. Deal with it. But put in place a system that addresses and gets ride of the people who are doing serious damage to the community, i.e. the serial trolls. But, much like the real world, other than dealing with the extreme cases which are bona fide ''dangerous'', I am not in favour of "legislating morality" or censoring people to the degree that you seem to want to. I don't think it'd be workable anyway... Brainstock is the perfect example of why this approach does not work. Supposedly, trolling isn't tolerated. Yet, ironically, it's the trolls rule that place. And the moderators are trolls themselves, and they lay the ban hammer not on the trolls but on people who say things they don't wanna hear, or who question their self-serving abuse of mod powers... That's what you'll get here, if you try to legislate speech in any way other than dealing with the worst and most blatantly disruptive and non-constructive people. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:39, 5 September 2008 (BST)
:As for you suggestion... I've argued my point there, but you just don't seem to be getting it. Tons of people have argued thier points, and your suggestion has come under heavy criticism, and is just not well-liked. And with good reason IMNSHO. You're perfectly free to disagree, more power to you, but, sheesh... your stubbornness and intransigence is most certainly ''not'' winning you allies. Furthermore, if you had any long-term experience with the kind of CRAP that comes on the suggestion page regularly, and the immature, pathetic behavior that the suggestors demonstrate when their ATROCIOUS ideas are shot down, you'd understand why no one "suffers fools gladly" on that page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 12:44, 5 September 2008 (BST)
::In any event, I've rambled on and on on your Talk page, Conn... :P But there is some relevancy to all this... While we may have some disagreements as to the best ways to deal with trolling... And some of us may disagree as to what is acceptable vs. unacceptable behavior... Meanwhile, while it might seem like I am echoing Grim's infamous stance on this issue, actually I don't think I go as far as him in the laissez-faire free speech thing... In any event, I think there is actually a broad agreement out there that the really bad serial trolling is a problem and ought to be addressed. So if this gets us a little closer to a solution, I think it's a good thing... Peace. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:01, 6 September 2008 (BST)

== M/D Comment ==
First off I'd like to apologise for my comment in Deletions. I had just spent 3 hours on top of a roof applying tar and your comment more or less made my day.

Moving along though, exactly why are you so anti-DEM? I'm just wondering. First there was the [[CFT]] nonsense, and now you seem to be implying that we are Fascist.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 04:51, 25 August 2008 (BST)

===Thank you!===
Thank you for maintaining the Havercroft Alliance page for us, we later found out Ajester was a spy and not a good player.  Thanks for keeping things honest and true friend. [[User:Johnnyduece|(St Aden)]] 02:14, 7 August 2008 (BST)

==The Proof is in the Template==
{{conndraka}}
Hi - I'm a bored person, so I've been making templates. Oodles and oodles of templates. Play on Name templates. Yours was hard. If you don't play World of Warcraft, I'm not sure people will even get this one. Enjoy the template --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 21:51, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Please go to http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --[[User:Tselita|Tselita]] 13:04, 27 June 2008 (BST)

==You got red on you==
There is a broken (red) [[TBA|link]] in your sig. --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] - [[Special:Listusers/sysop|mod]]</sup> 23:41, 29 May 2008 (BST)
:Why is that link there? It just encourages people to create useless, off topic pages that have to be [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions#TBA|speedydeleted]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:59 24 July 2008 (BST)</small>


==Shame==
Those sysops who put together the Grim witch hunt should find themselves ashamed for doing this.  It's a bad day for this wiki.  Just to note: I don't even like Grim. I like fairness, and this affair had very little, if any.  --[[User:Stephen Colbert DFA|Stephen Colbert DFA]] 05:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)

==Question RE: sigs==
If you could, can you take a look at my [[User:Blue_Command_Vic/Sandbox#Testing_an_idea_for_a_new_sig|sandbox]] and let me know if that new sig design is within the rules? Thanks. --{{User:Blue Command Vic/Sig}} 04:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:If there's a way to keep those lines together (not get split like that), I don't know it. I like the side-by-side too, I think I'll just do that for now until i can figure out how to get the sup above the sub without splitting. --{{User:Blue Command Vic/Sig}} 10:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)




= Copied From other parts of the wiki for archival reasons=
== Vandal Ruling(s) ==
===[[User:JonnyFive]]===
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For [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Dunell_Hills_Police_Department&diff=1122157&oldid=1116147 this] edit. Accurate or not, Its up to a group member to do the editing. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 18:59, 27 April 2008 (BST)

'''Not vandalism''' - Good faith, it improved the accuracy of the paragraph. The edit was accurate to what the stats said at that time, and the paragraph was talking about the stats page, not about known members who may not have the exact words "Dunell Hills Police Department" in their profile. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:33, 28 April 2008 (BST)
:'''Not vandalism''' - Read the reporting guidelines, please. ''"Avoid submitting reports which are petty."'' --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 13:03, 28 April 2008 (BST)
:: Allright. Its just that I thought that the fact that since the edit in question was not in the NPOV section and that Johny is a member of a group known to Grief the DHPD, that it was innapropriate. I assume this means that anyone can now edit any group page as long as the edit is accurate? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[DHPD]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 15:28, 28 April 2008 (BST)
::: Edit in the means of adding new info, no. Update already existing, yet outdated, information from a reliable source, yes. You could've prevented that by simply saying ''as of (day) of (month), the DHPD yada yada'' --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 15:37, 28 April 2008 (BST)
:::If the minor editing of the group page continues in a way that I think can be considered to be for annoyance value, then yeah, it may be ruled as vandalism... but not simply this <small><span style="color:DodgerBlue">-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|talk]] • [[UDWiki:Image Categorisation|i]]</sup> 03:24 29 April 2008 (BST)</span></small>

=== Final Rulings Re: Grim's Misconduct===
Note: Original text is in italics, My personal responses are aditions. this in no way should be viewed as comming from Grim Directly and as the heading above says is a copy of material elswhere in its original format on the wiki. I did not feel it was appropriate to put the comments below in the regular space but choose to express myself here... To be honest i'd use the Quote function but I have neither the time nor know how at teh moment to do it. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 01:06, 10 October 2008 (BST)

==== Final Rulings ====
Whereas Grim has been found guilty of misconduct by the sysop, and whereas (by a vote of 3 to 2) the agreed on sanction is the removal of Grim as a bureaucrat of the UD Wiki. It should be noted that Grim shall remain a sysop at this time. Although it does appear that there is significant community support for a call of "no confidence" it is as of this time outside the bounds of this proceeding. This matter is to be referred to Kevan to administer as he sees so fit in the manner and a new bureaucrat promotion round be started immediately to fill the vacant position. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 05:46, 9 October 2008 (BST)

''I absolutely refuse this verdict. Furthermore, i absolutely reject your authority to convict me in this blatant kangaroo court.''

: reject the existence of the on coming train all you want...I'm sure it gives you a feeling of power and control. But when that train hits you, you are still going to get run over.

''It is time for a change.''

:Couldn't agree more. Whats Sad, I would have supported most of the "reforms" you propose below but you weren't willing to reach out for help from me, nor would you ever accept the possibility you were flat out wrong without having to be held down and hammered over the head with what YOU considered acceptable evidence.

''This has been a long time coming. The sheer scale of corruption and bile on this wiki has finally crossed the final line and i refuse to stand idly by, fighting within the bounds of obviously flawed laws while those who run rampant abuse power to destroy everything i have worked to protect for the last three years.''

:*Looks blankly back at grim* you were responsible for much of the vitriol that exists on this wiki, and your blatant refusal to accept that some behavior was wrong led you to take actions you decried from the bench, but was suddenly ok because YOU did them? Fuck that.
 
''I am not a popular person. I have never held much faith in the idea that being loved makes you suitable for a job. I instead subscribe to the idea that a good person to have power is one who uses their power responsibly, for the betterment of the community as a while, rather than to further his or her own interests. It is this ideal that i have held in my mind as i '''hgave''' performed my tasks and duties on this wiki, and it has brought me nothing but stress and a near unending stream of bile from those whos excesses i have somewhat '''sicceeded''' in curbing in this last year or so.''
:Shit... I'll take your popularity over mine any day. the ONLY reason the misconduct trial proceeded the way it did was you stood behind your perceived authority, refused to admit your mistake graciously, and were not to mention FLAT OUT WRONG. And as far as bile... let ye reap what ye sows.


''it has also come to my attention that my status as an impediment to their actions is now terminally threatened. So i have been forced to take desperate measures.'' 

-snerk- moving on...

''Effective immediately i am seizing executive power over this wiki. All system operators and bureaucrats, save myself and '''asministrational''' accounts by Kevan and Leakybocks have been demoted. Over the next few days new rules and systems will be '''implimented''' to curb the power of individuals, and deal with the scum that clogs this place. I '''apologise''' for the means for enacting change, and the shocking '''suddeness''' of the change, but it is the only way to initiate any true reforms on this otherwise stagnant swamp of bile.''

:I dont use this language much but...ROFLMAOUIPOAD say whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

''I would also like to take this moment to announce my resignation as bureaucrat and sysop of this wiki and my '''permenant''' departure from this community. There is nothing left of what i used to love and, to be honest, i dont need the stress. This will come into effect some time in November, after these changes have been '''implimented''' and the system is working.
''
I'm betting somewhat sooner than November. don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

''I shall spell out the scope of the changes quickly, so they do not come as a '''suprise''' to you all. First, and most important of all, the wiki is going to be '''reorganised.''' Running a wiki as a community does not appear to be working. As such, we need to split the information pages away from community discussion areas. While this should already be happening here, the fact of the matter is that it just plain isnt working. At the very least, a different set of operating guidelines need to be '''emplaced.'''
''
And may yet be...but not in some banana republic style coup implemented by you.

''Secondly, and almost as important, a code of conduct shall be put in place. It will enable the moderators of this system to stamp out petty trolling and the like that has held sway here for far too long, or at the very least control it. It is my sincere hope that with such a measure in place, more users will start openly participating in the community instead of the two dozen or so who do now. This should also serve to reduce drama across the wiki.
''
:Of all the... I agree, but damned if you hadn't help kill a large number of measures that would have resulted in what you wanted to do.

''Thirdly: A control needs to be placed on the powers of system operators. Recent events have shown pretty clearly that system operators are completely incapable of policing themselves. As the sayings go, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" and "Who watches the watchmen?" Recent history has shown this to be the case with this wiki's sysops, with only a handful of exceptions. These individuals shall be reinstated at the appropriate time, other individuals who have shown their ability to make decisions shall also be appointed.
''
:Yes.. reinstated minutes after your little fit, and new ones appointed? oh hell yes I'm all for that..especially now that we are a couple down thanks to you over the last several months.
 
''Another measure that is to be '''implimented''' is '''seperating''' the system operators from misconduct proceedings. They should not be able to rule their actions not misconduct, or clique up. While no measures will ever be entirely effective. It is my hope that by adding another group of users which, for lack of a better word shall be termed moderators, this will be somewhat '''allieviated'''. Moderators would also be tasked with managing discourse and dealing with arbitration and mediation cases. They would not have any special abilities, as their tasks do not require them to have them.
''
:Agreed, but damned if you had to go and blow your own head off before we managed to get a new battery for the hearing aid.

''System operators shall remain as they are, though greatly lessened in power. They will retain the ability to ban people, delete/undelete '''pagee''' as well as protections and moves. They shall act as Janitors for the community, performing bans as deemed by the Moderators, and carrying out things such as deletions, protections and page moves as requested. They will have no authority whatsoever except in the information pages, where '''thier''' word is law (And expected to be for providing the best information possible while remaining NPOV).''

:but but but... where would power-hungry manipulative trolls like myself go for our measure of troll chow and boot licking? To be honest once again not a bad Idea but you chose blood and circuses over bread and honey. 

''Bureaucrats shall also be altered slightly in function to match that of a forum admin. They shall have great power, but use of such power will have a heavy cost. They do not have the authority to appoint new system operators or moderators as they see fit. A new promotions system will come into effect shortly that will explain much of this. A Bureaucrat also has what amounts to a reset button. He may, at any point in time, fire the '''entirity''' of the administration team. Doing so he sacrifices his status as a bureaucrat as well. At this point all positions are open for re-election according to the promotions system.''

:Ummmmmm no. not happening. to many possibilities for a suicidal ego maniacal megalomaniac to fuck up the pallete, although I couldn't ''imagine'' anyone ever being made a bureaucrat that might have those characteristics. 

''Arbitration will be split into Arbitration (Regarding edit disputes) and Mediation (Regarding personal ones). These will each have their limits as well.
''

:Good Idea. nuff said. Could have been implemented as a sub-vote of the pages itself rather than a new policy implementation. 5 sysops on board with a couple of others from the community..done.

''Vandal Banning will be used only to deal with actual vandalism of information pages. CoC violations shall be reported in another area.
''

:no... Vandalism=vandalism deal with it regardless of sub-section of the wiki.

''New guidelines shall be '''implimented''' as well to make things mesh properly.
''
:Yes Im sure they will...but not by you. Good-bye.

''Thank you for taking the time to '''rewad''' all this. Hopefully what comes next wont be as shocking anymore. I welcome all feedback, and suggestions for improvement of these coming ideas. I do not presume to know best, just better than the system we, until this moment, had enjoyed. No system will be perfect, but we can do a whole lot better than that corrupt and ineffectual system we had. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]]'' 

Couldn't help but read it....And I have to say...as far as corrupt? He who dealt it smelled it.

'':FYI: I notified kevan of my intentions days ago. If he wants, he can feel free to toss me out on my arse. '' 
::And I think he did just that...

''I dont care. But this system is beyond broken and needs to be fixed, so i ask that he wait a few days and see how it plays out. In either case, my resignation and departure from this community is final and will not change. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]]''

na na na naaaa na na na naaaaaaaa hey hey hey...Good bye. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 01:06, 10 October 2008 (BST)
=== Oh and by the way ===
To those who were watching the situation ''very'' carefully... you're welcome. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 23:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)