Suggestion:20081227 Walkie Talkie

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20081227 Walkie Talkie

A Big F'ing Dog 02:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion type
Item

Suggestion scope
Survivors

Suggestion description
Hello everyone. First off before you Dupe, I know walkie talkies have already been suggested and are peer viewed. Here it is. What I am suggesting is not the idea of walkie talkies themselves but a specific way of limiting their power, and thus improving on the base concept already in peer review.

Walkie talkies would be a portable item found mainly in firestations, and rarely in PDs and mall tech stores. WTs let you broadcast a message two blocks, to cover a 5x5 area. Everyone with a *powered* walkie within range will hear your message.

Walkies can either be powered or unpowered. Only powered walkies can be used to transmit messages, and only powered walkies will receive messages. Each time you use a walkie there is a random chance of it becoming unpowered, like a spray can getting used up. However unlike a spray can, an unpowered walkie stays in your inventory.

To repower a walkie you would need a walkie charger. This item would be found in the same places as walkies, and could be set up in buildings. In buildings containing a running generator and a walkie charger players could click on individual unpowered walkies to recharge them for 10AP.

So what's the point? The purpose is to send short messages to people in your immediate area, while remaining mobile. Unlike radios or cell phones you can't talk endlessly because you'll use up your battery. Walkie power would need to be conserved like ammunition.

Why not use radios, cell phones, or metagaming? Swiers' already approved suggestion explains that already. In a nutshell what you get is:

• Ability to contact strangers (radio frequencies require prior agreement on channel, cell phones require you be contacts)
• Relevance - It's close to you, not from someone six suburbs away
• Less spam - Less range also means not hearing every jackass in the city, only jackasses in your immediate area.
• Mobility - Radios/phones require you be in a powered/transmitter equipped building, and that your suburb have a transmitter. Not too good if you're on the go, or in a dangerous suburbs where powered buildings get ruined fast. There's a reason in real life that police and firemen use walkie talkies during operations, and not ham radios or cell phones or AIM. That same reason applies here.

What this suggestion adds to the approved one is:

• Even less spam - Limited battery means spammers use up their charge fast.
• Ties it to generators - Balances it out. No free power. Transmitters and cell phones need a running generator. This doesn't need a currently running generator, but requires that you have spent 10AP per walkie while one was running.
• Makes power a finite resource - Like ammunition you'd need to store up walkie power, and be smart about when to use it.

Voting Section

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The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Keep Not a dupe! This is the old suggestion. Its creator, Swiers, approved of these additions while I developed it. You can read all the debates here. This adds a great deal to balance the walkie talkie concept, making it more likely to maybe, possibly, perhaps get implemented. Thank you for reading it all - I know it is long, but I try to be succinct and clear as possible. Please feel free to ask any questions. --A Big F'ing Dog 02:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
2. Keep I like the idea and the batteries concept seems reasonable and well thought out. Legion8 05:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
3. Keep - It'd be handy to be able to send local and receive messages along the lines of 'Lots of injured at Elmstree Police Department; could use some healers here!' or 'Just repaired the ruined Hollyswood NT, any barricaders out there?' If you were in the right area, you could wake up with a list of mini-missions that is 'customised' to only apply to people in your area. So there are things you could do with a walkie-talkie that you simply couldn't with the other in-game communication methods. --Toejam 13:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - Does not contribute much to the game. --Kooks 16:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
2. Kill - Mobile Phones, Speech, Flares, and Radios cover all communication needs that need covering. The arguments behind this are the very same behind the Radio. Almost this exact suggestion was even proposed before, with slightly less detail as to how power would be achieved. At least twice The common problem with most all of them is drawing a line between usability and restrictions. However I still don't think this specifically requires insta-spam, others will disagree. It needs better balance, find out a way to do that then we will talk, as is it's a new communications strata that will replace the four other and has no notable downside, a random chance isn't good enough unless it's 15% or more. If you do end up revising it again Charge for a number of AP and amount of time with whichever happens first.--Karek^maps?! 09:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
   • Re I disagree that there is no downside. When I compared it to a spray can I meant a similar amount of uses, a very high chance of using up the charge. Unlike the other modes of communication every 3 uses or so you'd need to spend 10AP to charge your walkie. To broadcast regularly, even just once a day, would require a significant weekly expenditure of AP on recharging (not even counting the cost of finding a charger, or finding a building with a charger). As for replacing the other forms of communication, I don't think a short range high AP cost device will replace modes of communication with unlimited range and unlimited broadcasts. It just has different uses thanks to its mobility. But I'm not really trying to convince people to vote keep on walkies. They're already peer reviewed. I'm just suggesting that if they were, hypothetically, to be introduced this recharge system would be an ideal way of limiting their power. --A Big F'ing Dog 15:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
     • You're significantly over-hyping the costs outlined in your suggestion. 13 AP for three uses is by no means bad, it's better than a normal transmitter in a less than safe area and certainly has a leg up on a mobile phone, which are what you should actually be comparing them too anyway. You're giving survivors a means of ranged communication free of the chance of zombie interference, it shouldn't be easy and it certainly shouldn't have a chance to go 50 AP without a single recharge, no matter how small. If you want the costs you claim in your RE to be more realistic a time limit for how long a charge can be held would be an actual step towards that. So would a limit on number of uses between charges, especially with the RNG tendency to trends.--Karek^maps?! 16:04, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
3. Kill - I don't really care for the idea of walkie-talkies in the first place. --ZsL 02:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
4. Kill - Needlessly complicated. Why have a seperate charger/cable item? Just add a button to the interface when you're in a room with a powered generator. That being said, I still don't think this is a necessary. As karek said, "Mobile Phones, Speech, Flares, and Radios cover all communication needs that need covering". --WanYao 05:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
   • Re I only suggest the seperate charger so that a generator doesn't equal walkie recharge. Seems too easy. I suppose that would work, but I think it is more balanced if there is an additional rare item needed in the building. And it's less complicated than transmitters. --A Big F'ing Dog 07:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
     • I figured as much. However, rarity =/= balance. And watering down searches with an unnecessary item is not good, either. IMO the weight etc. of a cord or charger bracket, etc. should be factored into the walkie-talkie's stats -- it should not be a seperate item. --WanYao 12:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
5. Kill - Kill the charger/cable (It's included), I'd prefer to stockpile batteries without a random chance, but why again don't radios or phones require recharging and this would? If this were to be implemented, I'd reconsider. _■^■ 21:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
6. Kill - Meh, just use a phone, I'm not a fan of this concept. --Pestolence^(talk) 21:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
7. Kill - We have radios already, in addition to phones. I think Walkie talkies are unneeded at the moment. Perhaps when a different city is made we could include this. But for now, let's stay with radio and phones. Nemesis645 18:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
8. Kill - As above, they are not needed yet. I don't even use the phone.--LithedarkangelMeth!^{The Great Meth Man} 05:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Double Dupe - Of the walkie talkies, link supplied by author, and the ingame precedent. There may be batteries in Urban Dead, but there are no charger cables. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
   • Re Walkies don't use charger cables like video cameras. Instead they have charger brackets. I suggest adding those brackets as a findable item. --A Big F'ing Dog 17:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
2. SPAM- I'm not normally one for arguing the "dos and donts page" but it applies here. This suggestion is LINKED TO SWIER'S SUGGESTION. From the suggestion: What I am suggesting is not the idea of walkie talkies themselves but a specific way of limiting their power, and thus improving on the base concept already in peer review. . He's suggesting an addon to something that doesn't exist in the game.--Pesatyel 08:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
   • Re I don't think of it as a change to that suggestion, but a different option for Kevan to choose from. This suggestion could stand on its own without Swier's. It's not linked in that it needs the old one to exist. In fact, forget the word walkie talkie for a second. There's no walkie talkie, it's just a game function. Seen that way Swier's suggestion could be titled "Short range multichannel chat ability" , while this very different game function would be "Short range limited use messaging item"--A Big F'ing Dog 18:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

   First of all, your not supposed to RE EVERY (or almost every) negative vote. That's vandalism I believe. And if you have to do that, there is something seriously wrong with the suggestion. Secondly, I QUOTED your own words in the suggestion which i will reiterate: ...thus improving on the base concept already in peer review. . If it is a standalone suggestion then MAKE it a standalone suggestion. You need to include search percentages, for example.--Pesatyel 05:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

3. Spam - If it made peer reviewed and nothing came of it, why do this again? Liberty 05:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
4. Spam - And this is the routy tutey aim and shooty! We don't need this --Diablor 21:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)