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| Many moons ago (around April 2008 according to the Earth calender) a brave man named Canderous Ordo was watching the Recent Changes page because he wanted to ruin somebody's day. To his surprise his day was ruined. Canderous saw the Imperium claiming St Matthew's Cathedral and was angered by this fact. Then, just as any other sane man would do, he went to the local forum and asked everyone to kill the Imperium. Then in record numbers group after group, man after man, chick after chick, and something after something, joined DORIS in their fight against the Imperium. The [[Invasion of Gibsonton|battle]] lasted one full month and ended (around May 2008) in a Clear PKer Victory. In the battle the Coalition, nickname for PKers involved, killed over 200 while there suffered only roughly 75 casualties. In the process the Gibsonton Nationals disbanded (not directly from the battle but aided in it) and so did the Imperium. The event became more important after it ended because several members of the Dulston Alliance and the something Airborne wanted to suppress the truth. In the [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny Corleone and Vandr versus Ioncannon11 and Kikashie|end]] the Coalition won the case, and everyone ate chocolate cake. So vote now. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:18, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:18, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - This was an absolute dramafest and deserves to be remembered. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 20:21, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Lulzy, yes. Historical, no. --[[User:Scorpios|Scorpios]] 20:21, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:I would recommend looking up what historical means according to this wiki. ''The event must have affected either multiple suburbs or how the game was played for a group, such as triggering a change.'' As you can see, IMD fits that description. It took place in all of the NE and affected a lot of groups, disbanding two of them. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 20:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - DEM pancake FTW {{User:Lemonhead7t7/Sig}} 20:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - KIRRU~ --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 20:27, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''yes''' - lulzy, dramafest, historical... OMFG ITS TEH WHOLE PACKAGE!--{{User:WOOT/sig}} 20:55, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Insignificant. Irrelevant. Petty. Affected a small group of players in a small part of the map (primarily Gibsontown and Dullstown. ZOMG there was PKing in Treweeke? Big deal). It merely happens to involve some folk who are very good at shouting above the crowds (read: spamming and trolling). --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 21:16, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' to the Impirium must Die, Yes to Invasion of Gibsonton. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 21:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:And to actually support Sonny on this...When Lincoln got shot we don't remember everyone who was in the theater, nor everyone who was in a certain plaza in Dallas. Perhaps the more important comparison is... Can you name every crew member of the Enola Gay? [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 00:05, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::Can you name everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence? No. But I'd be surprised as shit if someone said that document ain't important. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:09, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:::exactly... Oddly enough I just had my students do reports on the signers... each student got a different signer to do a mini-biography on. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 01:06, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - it might have been a yes, but the page linked to is covered in offensive homophobic language, rather than a description of an in-game event. Additionally, it does not describe the final result of all actions, as given in the linked-to arbitration ruling. A wiki is supposed to provide accurate information, not homophobic rantings and one-sided glimpses of in-game events. We should not be promoting other users of this wiki to be subject to the hate-filled baying of a small minority. --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 21:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:The battle page (linked under "battle") describes it in a NPOV way. The event's page was supposed to be POV. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 21:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::I see that a new page (Invasion of Gibsonton) has now been linked to in the main heading, and if that had been the only link all along, I expect I wouldn't have dug deeper in the first place, and this would have been a simple ''Yes'' vote. However, I still find the troll-page linked to (The Imperium Must Die) needlessly offensive and provocative, and in digging deeper, it would seem that this entire event was one designed to harass and grief a group of players to the extent that they would suffer such ignominy as to leave the game entirely. That's not the sort of thing I would wish to promote with a ''Yes'' vote. It is possible to have someone as an opponent, and to defeat them, without all the hate, which (after all) can only serve to remove players from Urban Dead. Surely that's not what any of us want? (Note: I am aware of the difference between players and characters, and even taking into account role-play, my opinion is still as given. I will not promote uber-trolls, or their in-game antics.) --<span style="font-size:90%">[[User:Funt Solo|Funt Solo]]</span> <sup style="font-size:70%">[[Mod_Conspiracy|QT]]</sup> [[Image:Scotland flag.JPG|18px]] 22:08, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Hell No''' The Imperium itself wasn't acknowledged historical, so the event what "destroyed" it shouldn't be it either. Its either both, or both not.--[[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]] 22:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:Before World War I began no one considered Serbia important. But after Franz Ferdinand was killed they were all of a sudden part of this huge historical mess we call The Great War. Now, according to your logic (which makes absolutely no sense) WWI is not important because Serbia was not important. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 22:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::The nazi holocaust was considered historical (in a very, very negative way...) but so were the victims of it, the millions of Jews that died there.... If you want to view things from a historical point, be my guest. Makes allot more sense this way, no? (before some moron starts flaming me, no I am NOT comparing the PKers and survivors with nazis and jews).--[[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]] 15:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:::Yes you are. Whether you admit it or not, by definition that is what you are doing. I could say I'm actually standing on Mercury eating a gigantic piece of blue cheese, but that wouldn't change the fact that that is something I am patently not doing. --[[User:Cyberbob240|HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS]] 16:07, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:::No I'm not, I am using an example in the same context like Sonny did to back up my argument. And even if it seems that way to you, I have made clear(for second time now) that I do not mean it that way.--[[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]] 18:42, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' to the [[Invasion of Gibsonton]], but not to [[The Imperium Must Die]] -- the event itself qualifies, the coalition prolly doesn't. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 22:41, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Insignificant. Seems to be a war on an individual, with some random other peoples thrown in. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:There was like 5 groups on each side fighting. Did you bother reading it? or tl;dr? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - If only [[UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Sonny_Corleone_and_Vandr_versus_Ioncannon11_and_Kikashie|the argument that sprung from them]] could be deemed historical.... --{{User:The Surgeon General/sig}} 23:22, 28 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Why? Because if this can be called historical, Ye Olde Uprising can eventually be called historical. Booyah. *eats cake*--[[User:Jen|Jen]] 00:18, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - If only because the Invasion of Gibsonton page was added. TBH, I think the IMD page should be a subpage of the Invasion of Gibsonton page, but that's a lot of work I'm sure no one wants to do. [[User:Evillic|Evillic]] 00:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - We ''still'' keep seeing tons of [[Malton Uprising|drama]] thanks to these shenanigans. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 01:51, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #: Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't an event's historical nature exist apart from whether or not it's perceived as a good thing? Sure, The IMD Coalition's page was homophobic as hell and incredibly immature, but its effects can still be felt. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 18:43, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Wasn't ever that funny or clever or stupid, just ridiculous and sad. --[[User:Insomniac By Choice|Insomniac By Choice]] 04:08, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' An irrelevant event [[User:Sanpedro|Sanpedro]] 04:34, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Not in any way significant to anyone not directly involved. --[[User:The Hierophant|Papa Moloch]] 04:39, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Just re-read what Papa Moloch said. --[[User:Target Practice|Target Practice]] 04:45, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - <s>Because right now I feel like going against the wiki mob.</s>I think it will indeed have a lasting impact on the game.--{{User:Labine50/sig}} 05:07, 29 September 2008
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| #'''No''' - Who?--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 10:54, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes!''' - Because finis played a role in it, arbies FTW. also pretty lulzy all round really...--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 13:27, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - because it educated the game's players about who the Imperium (who were unknown at the time) was, and how retarded they were. Not to mention that they have swingers parties with the Dulston Alliance.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 14:28, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - Yes, a very big event.--[[User:drawde|<span style="cursor:crosshair;color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style="cursor:crosshair;color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style="cursor:crosshair;color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style="cursor:crosshair;color: Red">Red Rum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style="cursor:crosshair;color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style="cursor:crosshair;color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 15:44, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' This can't be historical without the Imperium being historical --[[User:Max890|Max890]] 17:35, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:Hi. I already addressed that issue before. Just because you were involved in something historical doesn't make you historical. It means you were involved in a historical event. If you did something historical then you'd be historical. Now, stop being butthurt. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 19:51, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Essentially it was just a prolonged griefing session, these shouldn't merit historical status. Also Sonny's ego doesn't need any more encouragement. Any number of groups have been griefed out of existence or had griefing play a factor in their disbanding, that doesn't make it historical. --[[User:RichterFury|RichterFury]] 21:30, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - As Richter and Moloch. --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 23:29, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:Wow. You just told people to consult a dictionary under Radio Survivor but you voted no here? If that isn't biased contradiction then I don't know what is. Pass the pipe, cause I gotta try what you're smoking. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:11, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::Don't cry, Star Wars boy. Maybe you'll get those big bad Warhammer geeks in the next life. Actually, you'll probably be playing D&D together--with golden 20-sided dice! --[[User:Paddy Dignam|Paddy Dignam]] 00:38, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:::Actually, gold is rather soft. So unless they were playing with cheap ass, like 4 karat golden dice, the edges would get warped and the results would no longer be random. I highly Garviel would tolerate such shoddy standards for the dice he uses in his games: I'm sure he sticks to the high end shit. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 08:44, 1 October 2008 (BST)
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| #::::Warhammer uses only D6s (cubical dice), not D20s (icosahedral dice), and from the way he plays, I suspect Garviel only wargames. Not that there's anything wrong with that. >.> {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 02:49, 13 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Being involved in something historical DOES make you historical. Since the Imperium was not voted historical, this can't be either. --[[User:Scott Timewell|Scott Timewell]] 23:33, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:No it doesn't. The GIB weren't historical. The Zombies Scabs were big in Stanstock, they're not historical. Five Critics were in Santlerville, not historical. IB legionaires, Killer Zombie Tomatoes, Sons of Abraham, etc. They're not historical but were involved in historical events. The next time you say something retarded can you wear a funny beanie cap? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 23:57, 29 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::Ok, what I meant was that being ''central'' to something historical makes you historical. As evidence of the Imperium's centrality to the issue, I point to the name of your coalition--[[User:Scott Timewell|Scott Timewell]] 00:28, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:::Read above to Conndraka's response. Do you know everyone on the Enola Gay? --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::::Just because I have no idea what their names are doesn't mean they aren't historical. It just means I don't know their names.--[[User:Scott Timewell|Scott Timewell]] 01:16, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''NO''' - There was nothing historical about it. One group decided to fight another group. It happens all the time. Unless all groups involved are made historical, there is no reason this should be.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 00:23, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:And while I'm at it, we're BACK! You didn't seriously expect to be rid of the Imperium so easily, did you?--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 00:25, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::First, don't break format, evar. And secondly, Paradox retired and came back. Thus proving your idea that coming back makes something null and void. One group did not fight another group. A shit load of groups fought a shit load of groups. And since the Imperium came back they cannot be made historical unless they make a new page saying the old Imperium is disbanded because a requirement for being historical is being disbanded. God, you Imperium/DA types must be inbred. Sysops, I'd like to request everyone who is mentally retarded, (ie: those who say all groups involved should be historical) be shot and their votes removed. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 00:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:::Dont cry because it doesnt get through the voting system. People are free in their choice of voting yes/no whether you agree with their argument or not. Of course, we all could just remove the argument and leave it with a simple "no". On a side note, why isn't this voting linked on the main page?--[[User:MisterGame|MisterGame]] 09:13, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::::Because you touch yourself at night to CP, sicko. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 18:48, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #::::::Sonny, there is no call for personal attacks here and now. That may be what you do best, and it may be the only way you know how to communicate, but I think that if you really want to ever be taken seriously, you ought to learn how to wrap your head around communication without insulting everything in sight. We don't like you, and you don't like us. That said, we've made a concerted effort to treat you with some modicum of respect and decency; it would look rather good for you if you stepped up and tried to communicate like a human being.--[[User:Ulfgard the Unmaker|Ulfgard the Unmaker]] 00:52, 2 October 2008 (BST)
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| #:::::::You have a sandy vagina. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:49, 3 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''NO''' - --[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 01:33, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - Bullied several people out the game, nothing to be proud of. --[[User:Lynch|Lynch]] 01:51, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #:I'm proud. --[[User:Saromu|Sonny Corleone]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[MSD]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a8pHj7V9k pr0n]</sup> 01:59, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - If only because it made me laugh.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 02:10, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes'''--[[User:Xan2020|Xan2020]] 03:35, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - --{{User:Nallan/sig}} 04:46, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' as above ----[[User:Sexualharrison|Sexualharrison]][[Image:Starofdavid2.png | 18px]] [[Image:Boobs.gif|18px]] 05:22, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - --{{User:Wasted wallaby/sig}} 20:53, 30 September 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - The wiki does not exist for the purpose of gratifying Sonny's ego.--{{User: Garviel Loken/Sig}}01:15, 2 October 2008 (BST)
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| #:But it should for your ego, rite? Also, Garviel sucks. Alaric is better.--{{User:Suicidalangel/Sig}} 01:23, 2 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' It should probably count but frankly I do not want to remember that one bunch of sad twats were bullied out of the game by a lounder bunch of sad twats! In the end though it changed nothing except to briefly put most of the idiots in one part of the map making it a safe bet that running in to shoot one of them was a good deed--[[User:Honestmistake|Honestmistake]] 10:05, 3 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - I still don't like the sound of making a fuss out of destroying a lame, unhistorical group. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 11:25, 4 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' - I wasn't even involved and I thought it was great. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 15:20, 8 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''No''' - [[User:Whitehouse]] 15:51, 8 October 2008 (BST)
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| #'''Yes''' – Hilarious, many groups involved on both sides, lots of killing, masses of very public meta-drama, and had lasting effects that are still being felt today. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 02:49, 13 October 2008 (BST)
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