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What in the world?

Your contract on me is over, yet you kill me in Dowdney Mall? If you're going to kill me, at least keep your contracts up to date.-Falco94

Use a signature and our contract was for five hits. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 14:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how. I'm very wiki impaired.- Falco94

Its the little button on the top of the editing page marked 'signatures'. I hope thats not too difficult for you and your impairment. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 18:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Arkham

You're in the wrong place, my friends. I've long since gone North to Brooksville. I'll be waiting for you will a sharp knife and a loaded pistol. User:VI/signature 05:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm still in Brooksville. You two really aren't very good at this, are you?User:VI/signature 02:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Were busy with other contracts at the moment we will get round too shooting you soon. Also RG has reported that you were in Ackland Mall recently so your obviously not in Brooksville. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 12:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

BBC

Don't worry, we'll do our best to keep her out. We all think she's a bit of a pansy anyway. We relaunched! Check us out, we might even be able to sort out some sort of mutual alliance. --The Reporter 15:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Battle Royale 2 updated

Link: http://redrum.soul-fantasy.net/viewthread.php?tid=2243

Also can The'Thief open his own redrum acount for the tournament? I will not be accepting third party reports on successful match kills, only screenshots by the original player who made it will be counted. Cheers --Sgt Beebus (RHA) 12:28, 29 September 2007 (BST)

I feel unloved

It's been a few months since we shot at each other, I'm starting to get a bit lonely in my travels. Here's hoping we meet again, my good friends. --Thom Flask 17:51, 25 August 2007 (BST)

Hey, you should really post in general contact or we tend to miss your comments. We ve got some stuff on over the next month or so but then we would be more than happy to send you shambling to the nearest revive point. Good to hear from an old aquaintance.--The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF} 10:28, 31 August 2007 (BST)

BBK

Hi just wondering why BBKs are still in your "contracted hits" section. I thought you'd terminated all contracts with us and Finis... I'm assuming you just forgot to take them down - am I right?--Nallan 07:12, 9 August 2007 (BST)

Well were not hunting you if thats what you mean. Were going to leave the kills in that section so we dont have to keep moving finished contracts about. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA} 15:48, 9 August 2007 (BST)

EN

How are you gentlemen doing? I see you've moved to New Arkham, presumably to assist in the no kill zone policy, or whatever it is? I hope the levelling is going nicely? --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:26, 17 April 2007 (BST)

Nice wiki reformat! --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:03, 19 June 2007 (BST)

Well it should be i was heavily 'influenced' by the EN page. Ive been meaning to ask who does all the EN art work or weather you just get it off the Net. --The'Joker 14:38, 20 June 2007 (BST)

It's typically KMFDM album cover art you can find here. The second and fifth are for Spicy A and Josh respectively, but they're incredibly lazy and as such I've been unable to use them. The guy produces some fantastic art, if you fiddle with the URL you can see some of his other non-KMFDM funded works. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 20:09, 20 June 2007 (BST)

I have a contract for you gentlemen. I have bigger plans, better sights to see. And as I suspect this target is a mall rat, I'll likely not see him again until I'm back in the neighborhood. This douchebag: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=826062 assaulted me at a revive point. Understandable, considering I'm a glowing KOS. Unknown to him, I logged on in the middle of it and managed to get an emergency revive through a friend, via GTalk. The second he sees this the coward drops and runs back inside the free run network. I refresh his profile a second later? ::Grins:: As I suspect, he's dead. The coward committed suicide. As such I believe he deserves something special. He's in the neighborhood on Dowdney mall. Get to him whenever you'd like, I'm in no hurry. So long as you give him a hello for me. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 15:36, 10 September 2007 (BST)

BierTag

Hey, saw that The 'Joker signed up for BierTag. That's cool; I look forward to seeing you there! --Sexy Rexy Grossman 22:37, 3 July 2007 (BST)

So long as your not dribbling in my beer it should be a laugh. --The'Joker - The Watchmen 15:41, 4 July 2007 (BST)

To The Watchmen, I have also signed up for Biertag. I joined my group after this whole conflict, I wish for no confrontations at biertag, just some damn fine beer. Please. DanceDanceRevolution 06:57, 3 September 2007 (BST)

Biertag has a strict no pk, no bounty hunting policy, we attend just like everyone else.... to drink the beer. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 18:08, 13 September 2007 (BST)

Rouge Heart Aces

Nice to see you joining us at Beirtag. See you there. - Vigeous _RHA 00:15, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Yeah were looking forward to it. First rounds on us. --The'Joker - The Watchmen 13:14, 1 July 2007 (BST)

See you guy's are out of commision, too bad. I hope you guys get back up soon. Good hunting my friends. - Vigeous _RHA 18:02, 15 July 2007 (BST)

Hey guys, I wonder if there's any problems between The Watchmen and The End (I think DIF/Downinflames especially). It's that The Watchmen and ourselves RHA are allies, and do not want to strain our alliance, but The End also want alliance with RHA. From what I know of them, they are PKers, do you have a contract against them or both sides end up in a battle of some sort? I'm hoping a truce between the groups would be good or at least a ceasefire between the groups to reach an understanding. --Sgt Beebus (Merc for hire) 20:15, 31 July 2007 (BST)

Im unfamiliar with The End and we dont have any contracts on them. DowninFlames however i have hit once and cocked up immensley the second time. I was collecting bountys around tompson and he was one of the few bountys in the area. It was nothing personal and a cease fire is not needed i will just stop collecting his bounty. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA} 10:55, 1 August 2007 (BST)

Also DowninFlames is miserably claiming that he has no bounty on his head as they have all been claimed. This infers i am either pking randomly or targeting him. This is blatantly untrue.--The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA} 12:53, 1 August 2007 (BST)

Thanks for the reply, I wasn't sure 100% what was going on, so I thought best to ask both sides what they thought is happening under the circumstances. I've asked them (The End) to agree not to retaliate in any form, for this was just a random bounty hunt incident and nothing personal was involved. It would be good fun if The Watchmen and RHA work together on something in the future. Good luck in your hunting in Malton lol.--Sgt Beebus (Merc for hire) 19:41, 1 August 2007 (BST)

I understand about your need for neutrality and feel free to give us a time and place on our G mail and we d be happy to work with you. That is unless we have a contract on. cheers --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA} 21:09, 1 August 2007 (BST)

Hey you two, long time no talk. The RHA ha temporarily closed down till Summer (Mostly because all of it' members have school and a job.) If you guys ever want any help (after the Battle Royale, of course) I'de be happy to help out. Right now I am working on the RHA's hit backlog (7 Contract X_X).

Also, if you need to profiles for those kills you got in Thompson, I can get them for you. - Vigeous _RHA 22:52, 21 October 2007 (BST)

Monroeville Mall

Are you two still around?

If so, were you around for the First Ruining of Monroeville Mall? If so, a Survivours POV on the time would be greatly appreciated. :) Thanks for your time. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}08:31, 8 August 2008 (BST)

We are.

But unfortunately we re having trouble due to us using the same IP address again... so we wont be fighting until we get seperate internet. Weve been out of the loop for quite a while as well has there been many major events happen while we were absent.

--The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 14:57, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Charmed

I'm quite flattered about the contract. --Secruss^|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||23:25, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Well of course, hopefully once our IP address problem has been sorted we will grace you with our presence. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA|RRF|AB} 11:09, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Archives

The Sweatman Building Contract

Hello, Watchmen. You were recommended by an anonymous source, for those who seek redress of problems when conventional methods fail. As you may be aware, Santlerville has been having a griefer problem, primarily with GK/RKers. They also assault to bring down health, but refrain from actually killing, keeping them off the RG general bounty lists. Beyond being an obvious annoyance, we don't need this kind of bull during a MoB siege. My request, therefore, is a hit upon each of the three zerg alts (we know this already) of the worst offender, all of which can usually be found sleeping within five blocks or so of the Anthony Building. The names are:

• Tigerfangredspear ( http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=876674 )
• BuIIgod ( http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=876675 )
• Izflawless (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=939052)

Notice their profile reg. numbers are only a digit apart; one was created immediately after the other. This in itself is strong evidence of a zerg. Accept this evidence if you will (screencaps on request), reject it, or simply kill because you like to -- your discretion is none of my business, but we could use your help. I'll check back on this later, and you can find my Santlerville alt in the Sweatman Motel to talk in-game. Thanks. -OccamsRazor, 7:17PM EST (USA)

Thankyou for the contact. We're happy to take on these hits, although the Izflawless hit might take a little longer to find without the profile (although the area should be enough) I would rather not discuss this is Sweatman, as we've got a target sitting inside it. We arn't interested in the reasons and whether they are griefers or not, we prefer not to accuse people of anything, although if you would like us to pass on your accusation when we make the hit then that's another matter. Just to warn you this may take a few days longer than usual (we're predicting 2-3 days) as we're currently hunting two target for another client, although fortunetly they're both in Santlerville. I presume your asking us to keep these targets repressed until the end of the MoB invasion, in which case we're happy to keep killing them for a (reasonable) period of time.

--The'Thief ^{The Watchmen} 21:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Reviewing the situation, would it be possible for you to contact us at our e-mail? As we would like to remove this contract from the public domain. The reasons are complicated and we arn't at full liberty to discuss them in order to uphold our anonimity and discreationary policies.

--The'Thief ^{The Watchmen} 22:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

WE NOW CONSIDER THIS CONTRACT CLOSED. BuIIgod and Izflawless left the suburb shortly after you contracted us and Tigerfangredspear appears to be permently lying down outside St. Emelie's, almost certainly no longer being played. Also you did not contact us which would have been a great help. We don't have time to hunt these targets across Malton as we're recieving a large number of contracts.

--The'Thief ^{The Watchmen} 16:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Beatbox Kids and Finis Valorum Contract.

Hello, gentlemen. May I point your attention towards these idiots? I am currently at war with them and I'd appreciate any help I might find.--Finis Valorum 18:29, 24 June 2007 (BST)

Please state the terms and conditions of your contract and wheather you wish us to take out anyone more specific and we will decide weather or not to take up the contract. cheers --The'Joker 08:46, 25 June 2007 (BST)

Ha ha. Go, go common enemies! They're hiding in Huntley Heights for anyone who's interested in a good fight. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 13:52, 25 June 2007 (BST)

We'll happily take this job on. --The'Thief 15:58, 25 June 2007 (BST)

Gomerpile41- should anyone not have his profile. --The'Joker // The Watchmen 12:11, 29 June 2007 (BST)

Come now Finis, "these idiots"? Feel free to fight your little war against us, but don't insult our intelligence. After all, you're the one who got yourself kicked out of your own group. Burn.--Nallan 08:43, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Given the fact that even the very spelling of the word itself pose you problems, I have every reason to doubt your intelligence.--Finis Valorum 08:52, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Haha yeah... it's an abbreviation, ok? Anyway basing your argument on a typo is kinda lame, Finis (oh sorry, "kind of"). Anyway I fixed it and made a note of it in the page summary if you'd bothered to read it. In short, grow up.--Nallan 09:14, 30 June 2007 (BST)

The real lame thing here is you whining like a kiddie (oh, wait.. you really are a kiddie) because I called you "idiot". In short, go tell your mommy and get over it already.--Finis Valorum 09:24, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Actually the reason I posted here was to remind you that you got yourself kicked out of your own group, and how it's a bit ironic that you would call us idiots given the circumstances. Anyway, good luck to you and your hired friends in trying to win a virtual war against my entire group. At least people like EN play against us for fun, they can fight us in Urban Dead and retain their dignity and the respect people have for them. You seem to just stir up trouble by being an immature prick, forfeiting whatever dignity you had left and making yourself look pitiful (almost - I don't quite pity you). In short, no one likes you - idiot.--Nallan 10:02, 30 June 2007 (BST)

So you hired a guy to kill us "idiots" and yet he cannot even spell my name? No offence to the joker for doing his job, but maybe you should deal with your own double standards before forfeiting your hatred for us as being ignited by us being "idiots".

I was not involved in the little EN page spat so if you're going to call a hit on us, make sure it's the right guy.

Also, being "kiddies" as you so eloquently put it would that not give us more of a right to participate in a simple minded online game? Being such an intelligent man as you are, should you not be using that superior intellect to maybe expand your mind, read a book, get some new thick rimmed glasses, some zit cream, possibly a forklift to pry that overweight, middle-aged, fat ass out of your computer chair and into a gym.

keep watching the skies geek, maybe a girlfriend will fall at your door.

SHAZAM!! --GomerPyle41 10:20, 30 June 2007 (BST) owned.

Nallan, circumstances change. You being an idiot will never change. I pity you. My group didn't kicked me out dishonourably. I choose to leave. And Mr. Homer Pile Of Shit, there's really no need to out your puberty frustrations here, you little wanker. In short, have a nice fucked up life.--Finis Valorum 10:28, 30 June 2007 (BST)

"Mr. Homer Pile Of Shit"?, are you fucking 12, that doesn't even make sense. Maybe you should take some time, watch Star Wars another 300 times, grease yourself up real nice, waddle over to the thesaurus, read it, waddle back to your computer chair, sit down, and then write yourself a decent comeback.

I'll be waiting to see what that magnificent brain of yours can create.

In short, may the force be with you

SHAZAM!!--GomerPyle41 10:43, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Look if you want to frickin moan at each other do it off our talk page i really cant be fucked to shift through all your petty squabbling. Also i apologise for the miss spelling of GomerPyle41 if you point it out to me i will correct it, but everyones prone to the occassional typo.

Now find somewhere else to continue this drama we are here to play the game. Not to listen to you bastards moan at each other. --The'Joker - The Watchmen 17:19, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Yes, you'll have to excuse the'joker's poor spelling. My standard of english is far higher (sorry joker, but you know it's true) however I'm having computer trouble so joker's doing my usual job of diplomat. Now coming from a totally nuetral viewpoint, this "arguement", if it's standard even merits the use of the word, makes both parties appear equally childish and completely void of any intellect. Prehaps you should both retain some dignity and stop. But, if you have to waste your lives in this way, we don't want it on our page - we just play the game for some fun and arn't on anyone's side here, we kill who we're asked to kill. --The'Thief 18:04, 30 June 2007 (BST)

Alright then, I wish to request your services - could you kill Finis Valorum please? Seeing as you have no morals and will do anything and kill anyone you are asked to kill. I eagerly await your response.--Nallan 07:54, 1 July 2007 (BST)

P.S. We also wanna play the game for fun, but it's kinda hard with dicks like Finis wrecking it for everyone with his constant shit. Sorry, that's the last thing I'll say about Finis on this page.--Nallan 08:08, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Sure we'll take that contract on, it dosn't bother us who we kill, it's never personal (unless they're on our hit list, then it's very personal). But afterwards we're leaving the area for Beirtag and probably another tour of Malton. We could do with any profile and location information you have on him, send it to our e-mail address.

--The'Thief 17:59, 1 July 2007 (BST)

Don't let yourself being manipulated.--Finis Valorum 14:57, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Ok will do. I'll be in touch.--Nallan 01:59, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Uh yeah, thanks for the heads up Finis... The only thing that's changed here is that not only will the Watchmen be targeting the BBK, but also you. So don't sweat it man, I won't let myself "being" manipulated. See you around fellers.--Nallan 00:43, 3 July 2007 (BST)

Since it's quite obvious my message wasn't adressed to you, your reply only stregthens my original assumption of you being idiot. Keep it that way, though.--Finis Valorum 06:31, 3 July 2007 (BST)

and since it's taken 3 days for you to reply to us, and you seem to be hiding in U.D you only strengthen my original assumption that you are indeed, a pussy. Keep it that way, though.

keep reachin for that rainbow finis. SHAZAM!--GomerPyle41 11:51, 3 July 2007 (BST)

What's the matter, troll? Did you starve after I've stopped feeding you? Nice team these beatboxers: wiki vandals, trolls, retards etc. Oh, sorry, I forgot. I'll just let you starve.

Have a nice fucked up life.--Finis Valorum 18:47, 3 July 2007 (BST)

Finis, stop trolling the Watchmen's talk page, I'm sure they don't like having your little cat fights here, go handle it on your/their talk pages. This isn't the place.--karek 21:40, 3 July 2007 (BST)

Funny, I too think this page is subjected to trolling but only due to the beatbox retards.--Finis Valorum 06:10, 4 July 2007 (BST)

Quit your endless chatter, Finis. It's a stupid browser game. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 17:10, 8 July 2007 (BST)

Well put Adrian Jeshua. To make it clear, unless your completely oblivious, both of you are trolling. We're terminating both your contracts. We don't work with people who act like children, oh and we're blacklisting both of you, come back when your ready to be mature and treat this game as a game. --The'Thief 23:58, 19 July 2007 (BST)

Ha, ha. You guys rock. --Adrian Jeshua ^{EN | T} 01:23, 20 July 2007 (BST)

To be honest we all stopped caring about this a long time ago, we've been allowing you to live for a while now(despite you being wolfmother fans), good luck in future endeavours.--GomerPyle41 06:50, 22 July 2007 (BST)

I'm not a Wolfmother fan, The'Joker is. I want nothing to do with his choice of music. We havent actually been playing for a while for various reasons, but that dosn't stop us being annoyed at your trolling. Your idiots, grow up. --The'Thief 13:02, 22 July 2007 (BST)

Well a persons taste in music is thier own. So get over it Pyles. Just before i move this to archived has anyone noticed the Full metal jacket connection with Pyles and Joker. Just thought id bring that up i love that film. --The'Joker ^{The Watchmen|RHA} 16:13, 22 July 2007 (BST)

It might be from the original TV show which Full Metal Jacket's Private Pyle is in reference to. Either way it is a great film. Got a film poster of it. --The'Thief 18:18, 22 July 2007 (BST)

The Adrian Jeshua Contract

Huntley Heights:

Hello. I am RagnaRover from The 4-H. I spoke to The'Joker earlier on in Urban Dead, and I have a job request for you guys.

We've been having a big PKer problem in Huntley recently...

A guy by the name of Adrian Jeshua and his 'merry' band of PKers have been being a constant pain in the ass, and have just been overall bad sports. I know he's impersinated me before (over AIM, he made an account named RagnaRover86), harrased several of our members, and uses proxys (we cannot ban him on our forums for good because of this).

So, if you guys are interested in taking up the job, and maybe getting some nice kudos as anti PKing Bounty Hunters, extra experiance, the thrill of the kill, ect ect, let us know on our Wikipage/forums.

Perferably the latter, as anyone can edit stuff on Wikipedia (our site is an example of that...), while only Admins can do so on our forums. Not to mention I'm brand new to actually using a Wiki account...

The link to our Wiki is http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/The_4-H

Hope to hear from you.

-Ragna

Hello, Watchmen. It's nice to hear we're such a big problem for the 4H. They've always told us we were never worth the time and effort. I knew that wasn't the case, but it's nice to have it up on the wiki for all to see. It's kind of funny that a group with 31 active members can be brought down to its knees by a group with a mere 7 (it was 2 for the longest time, too), huh? Regardless, I look forward to killing the both of you on a regular basis, but you must understand we prefer our victims to be somewhat high level. So please forgive us if we kill other innocents ahead of you. It's just how we operate. I'm sure you'll understand. See you soon (I hope!) --Adrian Jeshua 20:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I posted this on our talk page, but I'll repost it here, just so we have a clear line of communication incase you forgot to check our talk page for a reponse.

Of course we don't think it's anything personal. You're absolutely welcome to interact with us here on our talk page, and ingame either in peace, war or indifference. It's all in good fun! We have absolutely no problem with competition or a little in game challenge. In fact, we seek it out every chance we can get. But certainly you must understand we're not going to let you get away with PKing any of us. It isn't personal at all, but if you do target us we will return the favor until we're satisfied. Unfortunately we're very... competitive. So you may find our view of justice a bit skewed.

In regards to your comments about the 4H, this isn't war. This is pest control. Heh. See you two ingame! --Adrian Jeshua 17:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't sweat it guys. I totally understand. When you're high enough in level and still want to hunt me just give me a heads up and I'll give you a hint or something. Sorry about Psyme PKing one of you, I saw that whoever got hit (don't recall which of you right now) remained a zombie for a couple of days. But you must understand at that point you were actively hunting me. My team mate couldn't resist.

So yeah. If you guys ever need a revive near Huntley, give me a heads up on my talk page and I'll see what I can do. No strings attached. Good luck on leveling! --Adrian Jeshua 13:18, 25 March 2007 (BST)

Oh, Uri Petrof is one the three known alts of Yaznov in the 4H. I wouldn't be surprised that he's finally PKing, he's already done everything else he's accused us of. Might as well graduate to full blown player killer. And don't worry about the posts on our talk page, I get you. It's cool, don't sweat it. Like I said, if you guys ever need a hand or a revive, drop us a line. We'd like to hear from you from time to time. Kick some ass guys. See you later. --Adrian Jeshua 13:14, 26 March 2007 (BST)

New Arkham Free Zone Idiots

I noticed the hfghdf hit, isn't it kinda petty/pathetic to hunt a level 1 because he attacked you. Mabey you should target bigger more skilled prey than level 1s. --karek 05:31, 20 April 2007 (BST)

Prehaps it is slightly petty, but we arn't actively hunting him, we're just going to whack him if we see him and have the opportunity.

~The'Thief --Malton Rabbi 13:19, 20 April 2007 (BST)

Stop by the New Arkham Free Zone forums I have a proposition for you there. --karek 23:03, 22 April 2007 (BST)

That's not a proposition, that's a threat. We are going to oppose the New Arkham free zone policy not simply because it dosn't work whatsoever, proven as we've been killed there in unbarricaded buildings plenty of times by both zeds and PKers, but because idiots like you are running it. Prehaps you should learn some basic command of the English language and the difference between "proposition" and "threat".

--Malton Rabbi 09:52, 23 April 2007 (BST)

Lose the attitude mister mister, things were different then and have yet again changed. Oh and fyi, WE AREN"T THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE SUBURB incase you can't figure that one out. The proposition was not what was there and I was going to talk to you about that when you got there things weren't working one way so we are moving onto another one to deal with Extinction who moved into New Arkham, help or don't help either way the choice is yours, but don't lose your head because you don't know all the facts. --karek 10:10, 24 April 2007 (BST)

Alright then. Prehaps you should have made your proposition clearer, finding on the forums "kill them until they don't want to be killed no more" frankly meant we were only going to jump to one conclusion. But we made a mistake, we'll accept that. Anyway we're open to any proposition you want to make. Basically to be straight with you we don't like the New Arkham free zone policy and we don't think it works, but if you want help we'll work with anyone on anything, at this point we're mainly interested in gathering XP.

--Malton Rabbi 17:36, 24 April 2007 (BST)