User talk:Janus Abernathy

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asking iscariot a question about the administration staff will only be answered with his "version" of things. A really twisted version of things. If a sysop could dismiss a deletion request, another could overturn his decision and allow a request to carry on being voted on. My arbitration case against him was dismissed since there was no point having my contested edits being restored, as karek's recent edits to the page have made then useless. If anyone were to wish the arbitration case to continue, that would me since it was my edits that got removed and unable to be restored for the duration of the arbie. And iscariot routine maintenance of his talk page is how he calls how he removes comments of users he doesnt like from his talk page. Had to reply this here, because this would've been removed from izzy's talk page faster than a sandwich in a room full of hungry somaliis. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 23:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Well of course it'll be my 'version' everything, what with me speaking for myself and all....

Yes, a sysop contesting a deletions request, because we know how well the misconduct procedure works with sysops judging themselves....

The arbitration wasn't dismissed, it was removed, note the difference.

It wasn't Hagnat's edits that got the arbitration case brought, it was the content, as the Jorm case I referenced (and Hagnat conveniently ignored) proves, content supersedes edit.

I am entitled by policy to remove any edits from my talk page that I dislike. I don't recall reading the one that allows Hagnat to remove the cases from Arbitration that he dislikes without censure or archiving. Notice how he won't put the case back.

Also notice that I don't use an ethnic slur as a witty punchline... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware that I'm asking Iscariot's version of things :)

Hagnat, can you tell me what do you think of the current situation? --Janus ^talk 12:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

One of the major points of asking Iscariot anything on his talk page is that any dissenting view just gets deleted. He won't let us give our answer to his outrageous allegations there, and yet he stalks other users talk pages (sysops mainly, what's the bet they're watchlisted?), free to answer as he will. Does that not show you the weakness of, if not his position, then his nature? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:40 16 January 2009 (BST)

Why are they outrageous? Anyway, Iscariot wrote this: I direct you to Nubis' comment below "But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page", yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm stalking him. --Janus ^talk 12:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

They're outrageous because he disallows any rebuttal. Despite the fact that I had never done anything to warrant summary deletion of my posts on his talk page (in fact it was my first edit to his page) he deleted my polite answer to the bullshit he was spouting about "what sysops should do" (basically, what sysops should do is whatever Iscariot demands). Do you really want me to go and look at his page, and copy and paste my rebuttals to his numerous examples of crappage to your talk page, and to anyone else's talk page that I may think is interested? A waste of my fucking time! He refuses to allow me to post there, where he makes his idiot allegations, knowing that they can't be answered by those who actually know the reasons that they made whatever decisions he disagrees with today -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:18 16 January 2009 (BST)

That's not how watchlists work. For a page to be listed in a user watchilist, he must manually add it to the list by pressing the watch button. Simply posting in a user's talk page wont do the trick. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Liar. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think he was trying to lie, more just being uninformed about said function.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Holy shit! If I checked that option, I'd have half the wiki on my watchlist by now! Nice way to avoid the issue though... that Iscariot feels free to edit any other users talk page he feels like, but selectively censors his own to stifle opposition to his own conspiracy theories -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 15:40 16 January 2009 (BST)

I have that option ticked off and I have 2,786 +1 pages on my watchlist. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We couldnt have a better moment in this wiki. There are no active vandals, there are no raging battles between groups all over the wiki (there is a dispute between the Umbrella groups, but its resumed to only a few pages they own), The only really troubling user we had was Grim's, who was attempting to enforce his rule on all others and driving away those whom he didnt like, and he was defeated. We are in a period where things could be done instead of argued, but iscariot is simply being a total ass and ruining the moment. He claims its the sysops fault that users are being driven away, when the only sysop who was responsible for such is now gone... and izzy thinks he was the only good sysop! We now have to create new policies to cover the loopholes iscariot is abusing, we are having long discussions and having to waste time on the whims of a single user who thinks knows better than the rest of the community! --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually Hagnat, you can edit your preferences to make it where any page you edit is added to your watchlist. That's how I have it set up, and I don't even use my list. I just look at the recent changes since my last edit. It helps when your RC is the last 2.5K edits.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ooops... been so long since i last change my settings that i didnt remembered such option was available. HAHHA... Disregard that, i suck cocks. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

S'okay. Just thought I'd point it out to you.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow. I thought my ears were burning. Let me clear up a few things.

• I stalk Recent Changes - Not Iscariot. Him posting my line in the Summary caught my attention and since Hag had used it on Issy I thought he would enjoy that if he hadn't seen it already.
• My position on a sysop being able to refuse a deletion vote is because I know what the goons did and would have been capable of doing. I also know that they will be back and that DHPD won't be their only target. If Kevan himself hadn't vetoed the meat puppet policy the Goons were planning on brute forcing The DHPD into being a Historical Group. We could have done it.
• Also, that was posted on a discussion page. You know, kind of like a talk page where people are allowed to express their opinions, but somehow anything I post on a talk page that is my opinion is just another example of me trying to oppress the masses. Somehow, I'm not allowed to have an opinion since I am a sysop. (not a moderator as he points out repeatedly) It's not like I am editing the criteria with out a policy. I'm just asking how others see that situation. Kind of like you asking Iscariot his opinion on the sysop situation.
• I think the point I made about it being used as a weapon is valid. I think the point I made about the image AmberWaves specifically is valid since it didn't meet speedy delete criteria. I also know that I won't disagree with the deletion of the AmberWaves image because Dave Grohl was the user that had the stupidest argument with Grim over Text Rape. Oh no! an actual example of me letting my opinion of a user dictate my actions!
• Yet, I'm stalking him, and he's doing nothing wrong. - If you honestly think that he is doing nothing wrong then that is your opinion. You are entitled to it. But now you have at least some of my side of the situation. --– Nubis ^NWO 15:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

FYI, sysops have already refused deletions votes. Like me. I can show you. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)