Suggestion:20090421 Overgrown Parks

20090421 Overgrown Parks

A Big F'ing Dog 14:58, 21 April 2009 (BST)

Suggestion type
Improvement

Suggestion scope
Parks

Suggestion description
Humanity may be dying but the parks are still alive. I suggest that as time goes on parks becomes more and more overgrown with weeds and wild bushes. The practical effect of this is that when a park is heavily overgrown, it would be impossible to see if anyone is in the park from outside (nor for people in the park to see those in adjacent squares).

Every 3 days left unattended a park would become one level more overgrown. A park would have three possible levels, marked by location descriptions commenting on the amount of growth, and the color of the square as seen on the 3x3 map. The colors in order of increasing weeds would be light green, normal green, and dark green. The effect:

Light green: Has no effect. Allows people to see in and out of the park.

Normal green: Blocks views in and out, but still allows binoculars to view into the park from tall buildings.

Dark green: Blocks views in and out, and also blocks binoculars.

Survivors would be able to clear the overgrowth if they have a fire axe or a knife. It would cost 1AP to trim the growth by one level.

Overgrown parks would have uses for both survivors and zombies and shouldn't overwhelmingly help or hurt one side. Zombies could use them to hide, but so could stranded survivors. And while maintaining parks would serve as a small AP drain on survivors, that's balanced by the fact they can control them to allow binocular scouting. In the end, everyone is helped, everyone is hurt, and parks become more interesting. They become alive.

Voting Section

Voting Rules

Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. # justification ~~~~ Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user.

The only valid votes are Keep, Kill, Spam or Dupe. If you wish to abstain from voting, do not vote.

Keep Votes

1. Hell why not, who dosent like gardening? --Pvt human 15:12, 21 April 2009 (BST)
2. This sounds like fun. Wish I thought of it myself. --A Big F'ing Dog 15:17, 21 April 2009 (BST)

Kill Votes

1. Kill - This is a straight up survivor buff. Zombies don't hide (they're zombies for fucks sake) and survivors don't really need any extra places to hide, especially one that is created by them sitting around and doing nothing at all. It gets repeated enough on dev sug and on voting sections, so I'm sure a few more times wouldn't hurt here. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. Ah, I feel better. Oh, alright, one more time. ZOMBIES DON'T NEED A FUCKING PLACE TO HIDE. --Johnny Bass 16:43, 21 April 2009 (BST)

Spam/Dupe Votes

1. Spam - Tonight on Urban Ground Force: Alan Titface goes on about flowers, that builder bloke puts in yet more unneeded decking to retain his money from garden centres and Charlie shows us her Dimmocks. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:06, 21 April 2009 (BST)
2. Spam - Anything that can be used for a hiding spot other than a safehouse is spam in my eyes, regardless of whether you can cut the grass down or not. --Fujiko Mine 16:58, 21 April 2009 (BST)

---

Voting Rules

Current Suggestions Advice to Suggesters Adding options to your suggestion is not good practice. Others will not vote on the options, only the main body; please don't ask them to do so. Once you have posted your suggestion, it is considered complete. Altering the suggestion mechanics after voting has begun nullifies existing votes, and is considered an abuse of the suggestions system. Doing so will result in your suggestion being removed from the voting system to removed suggestions, where you can work out the details and resubmit later if you desire. It is preferred that you remove your own suggestion and resubmit a new version with changes, if changes are needed. "Notes" added for clarification purposes, and correcting spelling/typos are permitted. When considering adding a clarification note, it is often better for all parties involved, for the author to remove the suggestion and resubmit it with the clarification included for the voters who have already placed their votes. Advice to Voters You are voting on Suggestions, not Users. The text of your vote should not personally attack or denigrate the user who has submitted it... no matter how ridiculous the idea. Flaming and/or Trolling will not be tolerated. Before voting please read the Suggestions Dos and Do Nots and Frequently Suggested Ideas Page to read about concepts that have been generally considered unworkable in the past. You do not need to follow the guidelines on these pages but they are worth consideration before casting a vote. One vote per user. No exceptions. You cannot use multiple wiki accounts to vote on a suggestion. To Vote, use the [edit] button at the top of the voting section, then enter your vote in the the proper format to the end of the relevant section (keep/kill/spam). It is strongly recommended that voters (especially in the kill/spam sections) justify their vote to help others understand the reason they disagree. Feedback helps new suggesters get a feel for what the community does and does not want included in Urban Dead, and a deeper understanding of the balance needed for a workable suggestion. Votes must include a signature in order to be considered valid votes. To sign a vote, use --~~~~. Please remember to sign your votes! Unsigned votes will be deleted after 30 minutes or when found. Each Suggestion will be open to voting for two (2) weeks, measured from the suggestion's Timestamp, unless it is a Dupe or Spam. If, at the end of that time, there are two thirds (2/3) more Keep votes than Kill votes, the Suggestion will be moved to the Peer Reviewed Suggestions page. Otherwise, the Suggestion will be moved to the Peer Rejected Suggestions page.

Rules for Discussions Votes are NOT the place to discuss Suggestions. This page and archived suggestion pages only to be used for the Suggesting and subsequent Voting of these suggestions. If you wish to discuss the suggestion or vote here, please use this page's Talk page (Suggestion talk:20090421 Overgrown Parks). Suggestions do not have to be submitted in order to discuss them. Developing Suggestions can be used to workshop possible suggestions before they are submitted.

Valid Votes Keep, for Suggestions that you believe have merit. Kill, for Suggestions that you believe do not have merit. If you need to discuss a rule fix, use the discussion page. Spam, for the most ridiculous suggestions. Suggestions can be removed with Spam votes as described on the cycling suggestions page. If the criterion described there are not fulfilled, the suggestion must remain for the whole two weeks. Spam votes are not a "strong kill", they are simply here to prevent the utterly ridiculous from clogging up the system. If you do not like the idea, and it's not some crazy uber power or something else ridiculous, VOTE KILL, NOT SPAM. Spam votes will be counted as Kill when votes are tallied. Dupe, for Suggestions that are exact or very close duplicates of previous suggestions. For a Dupe vote to be valid, a link must be provided to the original suggestion. Dupe votes can be used to remove suggestions as described on the cycling suggestions page. Dupe votes will not be counted when votes are tallied. Humourous, for suggestions that are obviously intended to be satirical, or of comedic value only.}} Suggestions can be removed with Humourous votes as described on the cycling suggestions page. If the criterion described there are not fulfilled, the suggestion must remain for the whole two weeks.

Invalid Votes Server Load and Programming Complexity are NOT very good Kill reasons. You are voting on the merit of the suggestion and whether or not you think it belongs in the game. Server load/complexity issues are up to Kevan to decide. X should be implemented first is not a valid reason for a vote. You are voting on the merit of THIS suggestion, not how it compares to others. Votes that do not have reasoning behind them are invalid. You MUST justify your vote.

Comments Re may be used to comment on a vote. Only the original author and the person being REd can comment. Comments are restricted to a single comment per vote, and it is expected that Re comments be as short as possible. Reing every kill vote is considered abuse of the Re comment. A Re does not count as a vote, and any subsequent discussion not part of the Re comment should be held on the discussion page if there is any extended commenting. Note is used by System Operators to invalidate trolling-based votes. Only Sysops may remove troll-based votes and they do so with a strikeout <s></s> in order to preserve the trolling removal for posterity. The voter may contest the strikeout with the Sysop that struck their vote out on the discussion page. Only a System Operator may remove a strikeout.

All Caps Try to avoid YELLING, writing in bold, or using italics, except when emphasizing a point which has escaped other voters.

VOTING EXAMPLES Keep Votes Keep - I am the author and I am allowed to vote once on my own suggestions. --MrSuggester 05:01, 11 Nov 2005 (GMT) Keep - Best. Suggestion. Evar. --Bob_Zombie 04:01, 11 Nov 2005 (GMT) Keep - Good sugestion. no signature --FakeSuggester 07:39, 15 Nov 2005 (GMT) Kill Votes Kill - This is a terrible idea, but you can totally fix it up. --NegativeGal 06:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Re - Please be more specific about how to fix it on the discussion page. --MrSuggester 14:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Re - Sure, I have detailed my proposed fixes here. --NegativeGal 23:38, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Kill - You will eat my poopie and love it! --PooEater 11:12, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT) Note - Inane vote removed. Defend in discussion. --DaModerator 11:13, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT) Spam/Dupe Votes Spam - Kung Fu CB Mama on Wheels is an inappropriate Survivor Class. --NoFunAtAll 09:01, 12 Nov 2005 (GMT) Dupe - Duplicate Suggestion --AnotherSuggester 05:01, 14 Nov 2005 (GMT)