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A Contradiction
"Zergs need not apply." I'm sure that pretty much means this group's actual membership number is zero. Plenty of evidence to go around that you took advantage of zergs. Plenty of evidence indeed. Go ahead and remove this. This'll be easily dug up from the history tab anyways, with it being the first edit and all. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 08:36, 31 March 2012 (BST)
- The Accurate Depiction
- Now why would we bother to delete this when it's so obviously sour grapes? You got beat...you cry zerg...and you think this reflects on us? No, Axe, we will leave your clumsy, transparent excuses entirely unmolested as a monument to your colossal dipshititude. Regrettably, we can't say the same about your mom.
--Natasha Fatale
23:40, 31 March 2012 (BST)
- I'm not sure if ya pwned Axe so definitively why the remainder of the comments are now gone. However, didn't you attack CAPD when you were still the Orange Brigade? I, unlike Axe, was there and don't recall a single Oedipus Wrecks tag. So, why are you claiming ownership of an attack a different group accomplished? I also seem to remember OB was a PKer group, who resorted to zombie attacks due to an inability to stay alive. But, perhaps, my memory is faulty. --
Org XIII Alts 13:36, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- The comments are removed because this page is not meant to be a forum for Axe's efforts to twist the facts to support his smear campaign against yet another group. You did not see Oedipus Wrecks tags because at the time we did not have a name at all. We never limited ourselves to solely pking and in fact use whatever life status suits our resources and strategy at a given time. That is what is commonly known as death culting. You saw the OB tags because three of our members were previously in what could loosely be called a group they identified as Orange Brigade (they have no wiki, no irc and are really just 3 buddies who occasionally brought there alts together to play a bit.) I saw no reason to have them change that because I am not always in the business of making it easy for my opponents to identify us. It is your hunter group that failed to stack many claims not OW who couldn't get or stay alive if that is what we wanted, Kirsty. You were there, you saw us controlling the state of the real estate surrounding CAPD's HQ and you saw that we stomped them and the allies they called in for assistance. And we'll do it again...perhaps CAPD and your collection of hunters have forgotten how we dominated that area and require a refresher course? Spoiler Alert: 3 zergs outside of any building they occupy will not protect them from us.--Natasha Fatale 17:14, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- I'm pretty sure there were more than 3 OB tags, but that's fine. If your goal was to dominate the area though, I'm afraid you failed. You did a good job ruining CAPD and a couple of surrounding buildings, as any zombie group with sufficient numbers and coordination could. I would have thought you understand how the survivor/zombie dynamic works, but if you think that's something special; good for you. -- Org XIII Alts 19:51, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- No, Kirsty, there were never more than 3 of us with the OB tags and it's fine that you can acknowledge that (or provide some evidence to the contrary...you were paying close attention right?) You did look at all of our profiles and can provide proof of what you imply, yes? Ohhhh, right...you can't because it didn't happen that way. *grins* And, c'mon, Kirsty, we both know it wasn't "a couple" buildings, yes? Among other things, we dominated the 15 building area connected via free running lanes to Crew Ave PD (CAPD's designated HQ.) And I guess all the crying and begging for allies to assist suggests we were special enough. Have you asked them if they're prepared for another OW visit? My guess is you haven't or you wouldn't be pushing the matter. *grins* We both know they don't want to see us return to their fat and happy oasis of resources surrounding their HQ. The fact is that the part of the suburb CAPD values most was ours so long as we wanted it and your silly hunters could do little to stop us. LOL. It's okay, we'll give you another shot at it soon. You're probably gonna wanna bring help though!. LOL.--Natasha Fatale 23:23, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- No, Kirsty, there were never more than 3 of us with the OB tags and it's fine that you can acknowledge that (or provide some evidence to the contrary...you were paying close attention right?) You did look at all of our profiles and can provide proof of what you imply, yes? Ohhhh, right...you can't because it didn't happen that way. *grins* And, c'mon, Kirsty, we both know it wasn't "a couple" buildings, yes? Among other things, we dominated the 15 building area connected via free running lanes to Crew Ave PD (CAPD's designated HQ.) And I guess all the crying and begging for allies to assist suggests we were special enough. Have you asked them if they're prepared for another OW visit? My guess is you haven't or you wouldn't be pushing the matter. *grins* We both know they don't want to see us return to their fat and happy oasis of resources surrounding their HQ. The fact is that the part of the suburb CAPD values most was ours so long as we wanted it and your silly hunters could do little to stop us. LOL. It's okay, we'll give you another shot at it soon. You're probably gonna wanna bring help though!. LOL.--Natasha Fatale
- I'm pretty sure there were more than 3 OB tags, but that's fine. If your goal was to dominate the area though, I'm afraid you failed. You did a good job ruining CAPD and a couple of surrounding buildings, as any zombie group with sufficient numbers and coordination could. I would have thought you understand how the survivor/zombie dynamic works, but if you think that's something special; good for you. --
- The comments are removed because this page is not meant to be a forum for Axe's efforts to twist the facts to support his smear campaign against yet another group. You did not see Oedipus Wrecks tags because at the time we did not have a name at all. We never limited ourselves to solely pking and in fact use whatever life status suits our resources and strategy at a given time. That is what is commonly known as death culting. You saw the OB tags because three of our members were previously in what could loosely be called a group they identified as Orange Brigade (they have no wiki, no irc and are really just 3 buddies who occasionally brought there alts together to play a bit.) I saw no reason to have them change that because I am not always in the business of making it easy for my opponents to identify us. It is your hunter group that failed to stack many claims not OW who couldn't get or stay alive if that is what we wanted, Kirsty. You were there, you saw us controlling the state of the real estate surrounding CAPD's HQ and you saw that we stomped them and the allies they called in for assistance. And we'll do it again...perhaps CAPD and your collection of hunters have forgotten how we dominated that area and require a refresher course? Spoiler Alert: 3 zergs outside of any building they occupy will not protect them from us.--Natasha Fatale
- You're arguing with a forensic science major. Do you honestly think I'll argue something without evidence? Censored because I know the importance of witness protection. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 13:48, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- I am effectively defending against a lying incompetent who seems to think claiming to be a student in something gives him credibility even as he misinterprets the facts to suit his own bias, LOL. So lemme break it down to you like a teacher might...watch and learn, Grasshopper. You have provided a subjective declaration, specifically an erroneous assumption that you (a non-witness) made (and put quotes around) saying that OW took advantage of a residential zerg and then you called it evidence. You have further provided a declaration made by CZ (who was a witness with an alt in the OW crew though that alt's initials are not CZ) saying that we did not coordinate with the zergs but that any time OW and Spandy were together was "just a coincidence." Her statement that "we did not know they were there" means we did not know of the Spandys' presence until we arrived at the operation and did not select our targets based on their movements. I am confident that CZ does not mean to suggest that I kept secret from the crew any facts once I learned them. I'm sure that you can ask CZ to clarify the meaning but I suspect we both understand the meaning intended to be conveyed. This is just more of your twisting things to support your trolling. The most common form of evidence is the testimony of witnesses. A witness can be a person who actually viewed the events at issue and as your chat shows she states that OW did not move based on when the zergs moved but when our alts were already gathered after striking with alts in another group (that was well away from the OW area of operation.) The "pattern" you say is made of "many" coincidences is actually not a pattern taken from the whole operation (which lasted 7 weeks) but from a small fraction of the time we spent in Faulkes Village, specifically the 2 or 3 days that we targeted the Crew Ave PD. Neither CZ or I are lying, you are taking the events of 2 or 3 days in a 7 week operation and calling it a pattern while ignoring the 46 or so days we were not striking at the same target or time as Spandy. You have also conveniently ignored the fact that spandy almost exclusively targets the Crew Ave PD and that the occasion you are observing was the time when both CAPD and ACC had piled most of their members within it. We attacked there because that is where CAPD determined the standoff would be. We do not believe that 3 zergs focused on the same target every day should prevent us from attacking our opponents especially when our opponents were the ones who chose to station themselves there. I guess your forensic science program hasn't explained the part about the importance of looking at the full picture presented by the observable facts and reliable witness testimony when deducing the way events unfold, huh, axe? Glad I could be of assistance.--Natasha Fatale 17:38, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- Stop contradicting yourself.
- I am effectively defending against a lying incompetent who seems to think claiming to be a student in something gives him credibility even as he misinterprets the facts to suit his own bias, LOL. So lemme break it down to you like a teacher might...watch and learn, Grasshopper. You have provided a subjective declaration, specifically an erroneous assumption that you (a non-witness) made (and put quotes around) saying that OW took advantage of a residential zerg and then you called it evidence. You have further provided a declaration made by CZ (who was a witness with an alt in the OW crew though that alt's initials are not CZ) saying that we did not coordinate with the zergs but that any time OW and Spandy were together was "just a coincidence." Her statement that "we did not know they were there" means we did not know of the Spandys' presence until we arrived at the operation and did not select our targets based on their movements. I am confident that CZ does not mean to suggest that I kept secret from the crew any facts once I learned them. I'm sure that you can ask CZ to clarify the meaning but I suspect we both understand the meaning intended to be conveyed. This is just more of your twisting things to support your trolling. The most common form of evidence is the testimony of witnesses. A witness can be a person who actually viewed the events at issue and as your chat shows she states that OW did not move based on when the zergs moved but when our alts were already gathered after striking with alts in another group (that was well away from the OW area of operation.) The "pattern" you say is made of "many" coincidences is actually not a pattern taken from the whole operation (which lasted 7 weeks) but from a small fraction of the time we spent in Faulkes Village, specifically the 2 or 3 days that we targeted the Crew Ave PD. Neither CZ or I are lying, you are taking the events of 2 or 3 days in a 7 week operation and calling it a pattern while ignoring the 46 or so days we were not striking at the same target or time as Spandy. You have also conveniently ignored the fact that spandy almost exclusively targets the Crew Ave PD and that the occasion you are observing was the time when both CAPD and ACC had piled most of their members within it. We attacked there because that is where CAPD determined the standoff would be. We do not believe that 3 zergs focused on the same target every day should prevent us from attacking our opponents especially when our opponents were the ones who chose to station themselves there. I guess your forensic science program hasn't explained the part about the importance of looking at the full picture presented by the observable facts and reliable witness testimony when deducing the way events unfold, huh, axe? Glad I could be of assistance.--Natasha Fatale
- I'm not sure if ya pwned Axe so definitively why the remainder of the comments are now gone. However, didn't you attack CAPD when you were still the Orange Brigade? I, unlike Axe, was there and don't recall a single Oedipus Wrecks tag. So, why are you claiming ownership of an attack a different group accomplished? I also seem to remember OB was a PKer group, who resorted to zombie attacks due to an inability to stay alive. But, perhaps, my memory is faulty. --
| Natasha Fatale said: |
| Everyone knows that PD is Spandrite's (almost) exclusive target, so any work done there is gonna see a little spandy zerg action... |
You stated it yourself. So it's obvious you had knowledge of CAPD's zerg problems before the fact. But you just said that you did not have any knowledge until after the fact. Babs, lemme tell you one thing. Contradictions don't help your case. Nor does the lack of evidence. You want to argue a case? Show me the evidence. Oh, and FYI, Crew Avenue Police Department is not the only building the Spandies target. FYI2, I didn't continue this. You continued it with your late reply. This topic was perfectly dead until you sprang it right back to life. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 19:12, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- Let's be clear, Axe, there is no "case" here...only the lamentations of the butthurt and the trolls. OW is not on trial (at least not with anyone who matters or understands the events as they actually unfolded.) However, for those interested readers (not you and your hunter pals who are so clearly biased and stung) I stated quite clearly that [CZ's} statement that "we did not know they were there" means we did not know of the Spandys' presence until we arrived in the operation zone and did not select our targets based on their movements. You do know that Faulkes Village is hardly a suburb of great interest, right? I mean nobody is studying events there until they actually have an interest in operating there, right? Do you need it drawn in crayon, little man? That means once in the area, we learned of the presence of three zergs known as various versions of Spandrite name. We did not and do not consider the presence of a handful of zergs a valid reason to stop aggressions against an opponent (mostly because if we used the presence of a handful of zergs as criteria to preclude an area of operation, few if any areas would be available.) That is not a contradiction...regardless of your desire to twist it into one. It is a clear description of what was known when and what our response was to gaining that intel. Furthermore, I stated that "Spandy almost exclusively targets the Crew Ave PD." That means, faithful reader of limited comprehension, that on rare occasions, Spandy may target alternatives (but mostly it's Crew Ave PD.) Please provide evidence to the contrary (including screenshots) of Spandy focusing on buildings other than Crew Ave PD. What? You can't provide screenies of any month in which they were focused on some other building besides Crew Ave PD? Can you provide a series of screens showing them targeting another building...say...10 days out of 30? How about 5 days out of 30? Maybe, just maybe, you have evidence of their focusing on another target 5/30 days...16% of the time or more? (see this is where we see the value of the big picture, faithful reader and forensic science major.) And please, Axe, let's acknowledge what everyone knows, you started this assault on our wiki discussion page with your silly, unsubstantiated accusations, I merely addressed the fact that you are a fact-twisting troll who can't support his accusations with objective evidence. Wazzamata, Axe? Why you keep hittin' yourself? Why you keep hittin' yourself? Why you keep hittin' yourself...?--Natasha Fatale 23:23, 1 July 2012 (BST)
- Let's be clear, Axe, there is no "case" here...only the lamentations of the butthurt and the trolls. OW is not on trial (at least not with anyone who matters or understands the events as they actually unfolded.) However, for those interested readers (not you and your hunter pals who are so clearly biased and stung) I stated quite clearly that [CZ's} statement that "we did not know they were there" means we did not know of the Spandys' presence until we arrived in the operation zone and did not select our targets based on their movements. You do know that Faulkes Village is hardly a suburb of great interest, right? I mean nobody is studying events there until they actually have an interest in operating there, right? Do you need it drawn in crayon, little man? That means once in the area, we learned of the presence of three zergs known as various versions of Spandrite name. We did not and do not consider the presence of a handful of zergs a valid reason to stop aggressions against an opponent (mostly because if we used the presence of a handful of zergs as criteria to preclude an area of operation, few if any areas would be available.) That is not a contradiction...regardless of your desire to twist it into one. It is a clear description of what was known when and what our response was to gaining that intel. Furthermore, I stated that "Spandy almost exclusively targets the Crew Ave PD." That means, faithful reader of limited comprehension, that on rare occasions, Spandy may target alternatives (but mostly it's Crew Ave PD.) Please provide evidence to the contrary (including screenshots) of Spandy focusing on buildings other than Crew Ave PD. What? You can't provide screenies of any month in which they were focused on some other building besides Crew Ave PD? Can you provide a series of screens showing them targeting another building...say...10 days out of 30? How about 5 days out of 30? Maybe, just maybe, you have evidence of their focusing on another target 5/30 days...16% of the time or more? (see this is where we see the value of the big picture, faithful reader and forensic science major.) And please, Axe, let's acknowledge what everyone knows, you started this assault on our wiki discussion page with your silly, unsubstantiated accusations, I merely addressed the fact that you are a fact-twisting troll who can't support his accusations with objective evidence. Wazzamata, Axe? Why you keep hittin' yourself? Why you keep hittin' yourself? Why you keep hittin' yourself...?--Natasha Fatale
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OW/posters moved to Oedipus Wrecks/posters. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:22, 24 May 2012 (BST)
- Is there some reason the posters can't be linked as we had them? I know you like to hang around us and touch our junk (much like your mama) but we'd prefer them to be placed as they were; I'll correct this soon if there is no reasonable objection.--Natasha Fatale 23:55, 7 June 2012 (BST)
