UDWiki talk:Open Discussion/Sysop Specialization

Unneccessary

Being a sysop is hardly a difficult job. Dealing with drama is easily the toughest part, and even then most trolls can simply be ignored. --Cyberbob 16:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

It isn't hard at all. I love trolls like you :3 but we need more sysops so we can overcome voting blocks in A/M. While some people can't handle the VB drama they can comprehend the policies enough to know when something is wrong. With the current system of all ops being expected to post everywhere we won't get more ops because VB drama (thanks to concerned users like you! heh) will either knock them out of consideration or make them not put in in the first place. --– Nubis ^NWO 19:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't like it

I think it gives people too narrow a mentality "Nubis is in charge of vandal banning, I'll let him sort this out". Surely we want our team to be able to confidently make decisions without second guessing what the lead sysop thinks.

And who decides who has what job again? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the idea that every sysop can deal with every kind of situation. It lets them get more experienced in their job as a whole, plus it gets different ideas and views put out in the open. This proposed thing could possibly wind up with severe stagnation of ideas in areas.--SirArgo ^Talk 17:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Ross, do you read the sysop pages? It's a first come first ruling set up. So whatever the whims of that op happen to be is what happens. There is no "team". And often if a user has an issue that involves many areas and one sysop doesn't agree with him that op can shut the user down across the board.

Let's be honest. There are sysops that shouldn't be allowed to make decisions on certain matters. Period. Hag shouldn't be on VB, I shouldn't be on deletions, and Cheese shouldn't be on MR. But we are. Sometimes our actions have more of a harmful effect.

I think that you are missing that your example isn't really a bad thing. I am saying that if there is one (or 2) in charge of VB then the rulings will be more consistent as opposed to is sysop X mad at User A and looking for anything to VB him on? Look at the Iscariot/Cyberbob thing. Cheese reported him for vandalism yet let Bob get away with the same thing. Look at the Read/SA thing. Again, no consistency because it's a free for all in there.

I want the users to pick one or two sysops that they TRUST and think can be fair and uphold the policies to be in charge of VB. I don't know if I am one, I know Hag sure as hell isn't one, but I think SA might be (and Karek).

I want to de-centralize the power a little bit and make it less of an elite group. And I fucking sound like Iscariot, but between his foaming rants he was onto something. One sysop has too much authority over too many aspects of the wiki.

We need more sysops. Not because the work is too hard, but because Misconduct is a popularity contest. Not because the wiki is in ruins, but because there's no reason not to have more IF we separate VB. We have plenty of people that deserve it. WanYao, Midianian, even Iscariot to a degree have proven themselves knowledgeable and dedicated, but not wanting to deal with VB (or the crats thinking they couldn't deal with VB) has stopped them.

@Argo - There are sysops that never post on certain pages. They aren't getting experience. The idea is to get more people in the sysop slots to prevent the stagnation we have right now. And the only VB matters that need to be dealt with right away are edit wars and active vandals. I am not saying that sysops can't post or handle vandals. What I am saying is that the final decision comes down to 2 certain sysops that are expected to be fair and look at everything involved. As opposed to the sysop involved in an edit war that finally decides he's had enough and locks the page and VBs the other party. --– Nubis ^NWO 19:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

You want more sops? nominate some. I can name at least 4 normal "users" who seem both reasonable and non coup inducing. If VB is in the hands of one sysop, and MR is in the hands of another, does the position of sysop seem more or less appealing? And surely by having a sysop nominated to oversee VB you're just moving the popularity contest, not dealing with it? And yes, in my time I did read some of the sysop pages. I still do :-) --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)