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ugh

I thought you were using that code as your signature and was about to give you a lecture about breaking the signature policy. NVM. I guess it's turned into a friendly 'just make sure you don't use that code in future' note? :) -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 00:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Which code was that? Also
<SA> Hey rev, email DDR and tell him I demand a valid ban reason please. I don't feel like linking an email to the SA account ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:25, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh lol, is that against signature policy? Since when? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

The 'malicious' special:logout link clause? Since ever, strangely enough. I really don't know, it was implemented before I arrived. As for SA, he was ban evading, if he wants to come back he can go through the correct channels to have his account unbanned (with any sysop, or even user I'm sure, not just me) -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 00:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm actually surprised that linking Special:Userlogout isn't banned outright here the way it is on most wikis, to be honest. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 08:22, 12 April 2011 (BST)

Ban avoidance--^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 00:28, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

<SA> All it says when I edit is that my reason for banning is , definitely not avoidance

So, uh, enlighten me: What would be "proper channels"? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC) P.S. #udwiki is still about, though people seem to eb chatting in #redrum.

eb chatting? I don't usually bother with ban summaries. He can look at the vandal banning for an official reason (though I've already told him it via you so he probably shouldn't need to). Proper channels? Probably just like I said above, asking an op or just a member of the community, it wouldn't be difficult to be unbanned in his situation. All he's gotta do is ask -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

[06:11] <SA> REVENANT WAKE UP
[06:11] <SA> TELL THEMS THERE FAGGOTS TO UNBAN ME SO I CAN BITCH
How's that? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 19:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, "eb chatting" == "be chatting". Simple transposition typo, gleesh! Easy to recognise. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 19:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. You can tell him I've unblocked him -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 21:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

<SA> SA is still banned what the fuck DDR
<SA> No, my IP is still banned. Fucks sake.
Maybe just one more thing? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Alright thanks. I actually thought I'd done that already but I was on a rush out to uni and must have missed it. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 02:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Cheers, man. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:48, 30 March 2011 (BST)

Snacks

Glad you enjoyed it. I marinate regularly but you guys rarely ever take a bite.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 04:20, 29 March 2011 (BST)

User:Revenant/Archive/Gift of the Goddess

I should mention that the guy who deleted this has the exact same IP address as the page creator. Don't know if the guy just forgot his account or it's a little brother, but it's something ya should keep in mind. ~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 05:16, 30 March 2011 (BST)

So I saw. Just saving a copy because I thought it was a neat page and deserved to be remembered. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:47, 30 March 2011 (BST)

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Orphanage

First. Second, check what is actually internally linked :P Not sure if I should rather hope that Cornlol's sock notices or doesn't notice... -- Spiderzed▋ 13:29, 30 March 2011 (BST)

dude, a little more hands off your bid

really. step back, act a bit more mature and the buttons will be yours if you really want em -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

bitch 15:16 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I know. What can I say? I'm bored, it's entertainment. I am coming up with some great ideas, too. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:05, 31 March 2011 (BST)

well try not to give that impression UDwiki is serius biznanzz. -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

bitch 02:06 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, indeed. It's a wiki for a game, after all. And if I write the ideas down, at least I'm not the only one who knows them and others can follow on if desired. TBH, that's part of what has prompted me to run again: stuff that could be done easily and isn't. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:25, 1 April 2011 (BST)

discussion on historical groups

Please see here my reasoning regarding why a vote which is not legitimate is not counted. It is an admin function and I do this with every vote that is done this way, which happens too fucking much for something so simple. Undo again, you can consider the action taken to vandal banning where it can be handled there. And again, the notion that I only do it for people that vote against me is a laugh. Grow up. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 02:20, 1 April 2011 (BST)

I considered it laughable when you levelled it against me, too, but you seemed to be taking it seriously, which is why I said it in jest today. Guess I touched a nerve? Ease up, man, taking things this seriously is not good for you. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:28, 1 April 2011 (BST)

It's my job and it's a very easy rule to follow, yet people can't and I become the bad guy for asking them to do it properly. Months of it just becomes annoying. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:32, 1 April 2011 (BST)

Dude. The reason literally every other wiki I've ever used accepts correctly marked-up {{unsigned}} votes is that to use them correctly you have to look up the edit in the page history: you know, the thing that is the actual record of their edit? The signature is just a formality.

Before blindly following "the rules", a good administrator should look at what rules actually exist as well as why they exist and whether they could be improved. If it's so annoying, do something about it! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:37, 1 April 2011 (BST)

But that's not completely accurate, people in different timezones may have different things in their preferences and that gives people different personal times that an edit time happened, dealing with it just becomes a nuisance. that's not even taking into account the potential for false timestamping (though there's no real reason it would happen bar trying to slip votes in early). Personally, I have nothing wrong with the rule. It's simple, it is a very easy rule to follow, and you don't blame the rule when there are people who can't do it and get aggressive over it; you blame the people I guess.

Either way, you were right about things getting personal, it was never my intention but sometimes things can get out of control, as they did, so I'm sorry about that. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:44, 1 April 2011 (BST)

There are tools to easily convert, and I just use UTC most places anyway because it's simpler. Timestamps are best checked on History in any case. Short of Oversight or deletion, history never lies. The reason I am opposed to this petty bureaucratic bullshit is it's completely unnecessary and works to make the wiki actively more hostile to new users. Small wonder the game is dying…
Apology accepted. Thank you. :) And please, believe me when I say that I am sincere in my good intentions. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:49, 1 April 2011 (BST)

Sorry I forgot to note, but the timezone changes alter how the times appear in history too, I'm very sure. That's the problem, and already you're talking about getting converter tools for something that is much more reliably and easily executed by having one guy do (~~~~). And striking one single vote isn't something I'd bet would scare off a newbie, as much as the douchebags that used to roam this place and make it hard for them. I dunno. Might have to be one of the agree to disagree things but so far I'm fine with enforcing the rules to a point of uniformity among votes and signatures. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 03:54, 1 April 2011 (BST)

That's why I have my prefs set to use server time. Again, it's really no big deal – just fix it if someone fucks it up! It's a wiki, FFS, this is what they're excellent at! And seriously, if you wanna hear the real scoop on wiki-friendliness, listen to Jorm sometime. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:58, 1 April 2011 (BST)

Back

I have asked you a question on your bid. Also, can you kindly take more time to read the pages your editing? My rules are pretty clear on where I want new comments. I don't want to be nagging too much on something that minor, but please consider more careful reading because accidentally skimming over something seems to be a re-occurring theme with you. Thanks. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:53, 1 April 2011 (BST)

Jesus, it hasn't been a fuckin week already, has it?--

| T | BALLS! | 20:09 1 April 2011(UTC)

It has been. We should have taken SH's sage advice. -- Spiderzed▋ 20:13, 1 April 2011 (BST)

which was? i forgot?-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

bitch 04:53 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Replies and subsequent discussion on relevant pages. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:20, 3 April 2011 (BST)

a/pm

are you against us moving some of our extraneous discussion to the talk? I was interested in doing it myself but you can have a say, didn't want to look like the butthurt man hiding an argument which might have me seen in a negative light. But I do think the bid could do with some cleaning on our part? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 02:48, 3 April 2011 (BST)

I was thinking the same myself, but, like you, didn't want to move unilaterally. I think arguing in public puts us all in a less flattering light and would be glad to move the less germane stuff to talk. Might be worth summarising relevant points, and definitely link to anything you remove – I'll take a look and see what's happened later (just about to head out for the arvo), and I'm sure any other contributors will make their opinions known. Cheers! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:19, 3 April 2011 (BST)

It was hard to find certain definite points where things got less focussed and more argumentative so I did my best and just added a link there. Feel free to amend if you think I've taken out relevant notes. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:37, 3 April 2011 (BST)

Had to amend because the original conversation cut off was before Karek's input so it looked like karek was replying to nothing :| fixed now, alter at will. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:42, 3 April 2011 (BST)

avalanches dj set in sydney 3 june

first sydney show in like years, they're coming back man! dare you to go -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 08:39, 4 April 2011 (BST)

June, eh? Tempting, very… take it you're going? How much are tix? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 00:31, 10 April 2011 (BST)

Yeah, me and a mate. 60 bucks? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:19, 10 April 2011 (BST)

If I can, I'd love to, although I actually don't know much of their stuff. Obviously, I need to work on that. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 08:22, 12 April 2011 (BST)

first!

congrats.. now burn this mother fucker down! -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

bitch 23:58 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The butans, they call to me… ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:48, 13 April 2011 (BST)

ey bro

We have cycled your bid as successful. Welcome to the War Room -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:43, 13 April 2011 (BST)

Awesome sauce. Is a spiffy white uniform provided, or do I have to make my own? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 04:48, 13 April 2011 (BST)

You'll have to order your own through Lowes, I'm afraid we outsourced out tailor to cut costs -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 05:37, 13 April 2011 (BST)

In that case, I think I'll just stick with black. It's more slimming, hides bloodstains, already constitutes a large portion of my wardrobe, and will save time in the inevitable event of my fall to the Dark Side needing to wear black to a funeral super-formal event or something. Yes. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:59, 13 April 2011 (BST)

Congrats Rev! ~ _{04:58, 13 April 2011}

Cheers Vapor! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:59, 13 April 2011 (BST)

Congrats! Not that I think you'll need them, but here are articles by Aichon, Ross and DDR. Good luck.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 09:54, 13 April 2011 (BST)

I hadn't seen the second one before – that is hilarious! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:05, 13 April 2011 (BST)

The "let's ruin the wiki" club on #redrum will be calling in their debt soon. (congrats Rev!) --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 08:52, 13 April 2011 (BST)

Congratulations (NAME). Now prove how terrible thad is as a sysop. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:56, 13 April 2011 (BST)

booyeah! -- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking

bitch 13:59 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Your input is requested...

...on your protection request. I need some clarification on the documentation you'd like applied to {{unsigned}}. Trying to clear out the queue. If you end up just adding them yourself, just swing by A/PT and cycle, por favor. ~ _{06:57, 15 April 2011}

Bot edit summary

I nearly spit out some coffee when I read this edit summary. That is until I realised that Urirais != Uranus. √^¶°® ™ _{15:06, 18 April 2011}

ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:39, 27 April 2011 (BST)

Vandal!

Even though you're a sysop now, you can't just vandalise people's pages like that >:( --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:34, 27 April 2011 (BST)

That wasn't vandalism: that was helpful! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:38, 27 April 2011 (BST)

I was forced to report you UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning/Archive/2011_04#User:Revenant

>:(

>:(

>:(

--Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:40, 27 April 2011 (BST)

“Forced”. Right. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:49, 27 April 2011 (BST)

When I voted for you as a sysop, I didn't know it would transform you into an evil evil man --Karloth Vois ^¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:51, 27 April 2011 (BST)

“Transform”? Have you been paying attention at all?
Complete the following sentence for me: “All power corrupts, absolute power…” ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 14:02, 27 April 2011 (BST)

With modest power comes modest responsibility. -- Spiderzed█ 14:27, 27 April 2011 (BST)

That wasn't what I asked! And you're not who I asked, either! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 14:56, 27 April 2011 (BST)

"All power corrupts, absolute power belongs to Boxy"?--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 15:05, 27 April 2011 (BST)

Hardly. Bureaucrat permissions don't actually give all that much. The real power on this wiki rests, as it always has, in the hands of Kevan. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 15:12, 27 April 2011 (BST)

Zomg

We joined the wiki on the same day.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 16:34, 27 April 2011 (BST)

POO

dutch pysops rule ta wiki -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 11:04, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Ja, bro, de Nederlanders zijn allemaal op in deze stront. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:10, 30 April 2011 (BST)

I'm going to have to inform you that sentence is grammatically incorrect. Dutch=Awesomeness though. You should visit! -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 11:14, 30 April 2011 (BST)

I'm not surprised, seeing as it was direct via Google translate… and yes, Netherlands is on my to-do list, hopefully within the year if all goes well. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:08, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Yeah cunts I'll come to dutchland and we can have a big fat cog-infested hollandish party yah? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 16:35, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Holy ballhole, I didn't mean for that to sound to awful. Don't worry brothers, I'm drunk on the tooheys but when I get to holland I'll hit back those heinikens liek there's no tomorow! -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 16:37, 30 April 2011 (BST)

It's clog, klootzak.
Woo Tooheys! I'm on the Boag's. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 16:41, 30 April 2011 (BST)

LOL, surprised nobody has mentioned our famous export products yet. It's what 2/3 of the tourists come for anyway, but seeing how you behave when drunk it's prolly a bad idea. Also looking at the horrible dutch spoken here, it's probably a good thing the Netherlands is one of the best English speaking countries in Europe aside from (obviously) England and Ireland. Our accent is crinch-worthy though, really bad sometimes. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:26, 30 April 2011 (BST)

My parents never taught us Dutch because it's what their generation spoke when they didn't want the kids to understand. And yeah, all my Dutch cousins speak excellent English. Learning Dutch is on my to-do list. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 17:36, 30 April 2011 (BST)

The practical use of Dutch is limited, since it's not spoken anywhere outside the Netherlands and some parts of Belgium. Considering you'll be fine in those countries with just English I fail to see point. For the sake of heritage? Good luck though, I heard it's quite difficult to learn for a foreigner. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 17:46, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Moving things around

I see what you did there Unless it is scheduled stuff, you are expected to file it on A/MR and let a different op handle it (dual control and four eyes principle and all of that). At the very least, leave a note on A/MR for accountability. -- Spiderzed█ 11:23, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Ya, was going to leave a note right aftewrwards but my broswer is running really slowly and I wanted to finish what I was doing in another tab. P.S. why not on IRC? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:47, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Pretty busy this week (as my contribs probably attest). Entering IRC would just tempt me to waste time and not get things done. Hopefully, from next week on my schedule gets a bit easier. -- Spiderzed█ 11:55, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Yes when it's normal gay maintenenace stuff like fixing userspace pages in mainspace it's cool, but please leave a request or note on A/MR in future :| -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 16:31, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Sig

I has vandalized yours Off to Misconduct with me! -- Spiderzed█ 10:22, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Damn you withdrawing bastards breaking my links! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 17:48, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Ryu

How dare you touch the song

of st

reet fighters?! This is simply unacceptable!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryu (talk • contribs) 12:51, 1 May 2011.

Really?...

...I mean really? ~ _{20:51, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

It won't break shit; it's subst'd in. █████████████ 20:53, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Breaking shit isn't really what I was referring to. I just didn't really expect to see you behind something like that. Just disappointed is all. ~ _{21:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

Though it does appear there is some technical problem, still. ~ _{21:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

Sweetheart the boys won't like you with all that sand in your vagina. Lighten up. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:06, 1 May 2011 (BST)

So, what, you're saying I shouldn't help users that contact me? And the problem's been fixed, wouldn't even be an issue if I'd been using it templated. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:07, 1 May 2011 (BST)

What's the point of it? Are you trying to point out that there is some glaring problem in the sig policy or do you still think the ops are targeting goons. Or is it just trolling? I'm kind of thinking it's the latter. ~ _{21:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

If you're wondering why Rev is hanging with the goons, look at this page.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:19, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Something needs closing. My words never glowed pink before. --Rosslessness 21:21, 1 May 2011 (BST)

It must be your godly powers.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 21:22, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Your inner fabulousity is shining through! Embrace it! --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:23, 1 May 2011 (BST)

As if I needed to gay this shit up any further. --Rosslessness 21:26, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Maybe we just like the fact he's not an absolute douche and knows how to have fun? Food for thought. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:23, 1 May 2011 (BST)

No, I knew Rev was a goon, I just thought he was one of those upper class goons. Silly me. ~ _{21:25, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

You fucking classist bastard, I hope you get strung from a lamppost when the revolution comes. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:27, 1 May 2011 (BST)

"The fully realized man does not identify with the local group."--

| T | BALLS! | 21:30 1 May 2011(UTC)

Revolution. Riiiiight. Who's taking things too seriously now. ~ _{21:41, 1 May 2011 (UTC)}

Still you, fucknuts. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)

It's you. You are. Because at the end of the day, for us this is just a terrible wiki for a silly text based browser game that we happen to be stomping all over. For you, this is your world. And for Raul Julia, it's Tuesday. Or it would be if he were still alive. Which he isn't. And that's a shame because he was an incredible overactor. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:54, 1 May 2011 (BST)

You'll have to ask them; I'm just helping, here. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:55, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Vapor: This morning I went for a walk

Wearing: a pair of gold-rimmed glasses, a battered black felt trilby, a grey scarf, a white shirt, a black designer blazer, a black lined jacket, black silk-lined leather gloves, blue jeans and battered black work boots.

 Based on this, tell me if you can what class I am. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:45, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Class Clown? ~ _{02:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

An upperclassman, though. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 02:47, 2 May 2011 (BST)

This pretty much one the stupidest things I have seen in a while. This is pretty much vandalism and the template should be deleted. -- Thadeous Oakley Talk 22:13, 1 May 2011 (BST)

Make the VB case then.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 22:17, 1 May 2011 (BST)

So you don't actually read what you write? Because you're a really fucking stupid person who somehow got into a position you have no fucking clue how to perform. In fact, you're the personification of what's wrong with the wiki. --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 22:28, 1 May 2011 (BST) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Laughing Man (talk • contribs) 22:28, 1 may 2011 (BST).

Goddamnit

Stop fucking edit conflicting me on my own talk page. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 21:55, 1 May 2011 (BST)

NEVER! --|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 08:59, 2 May 2011 (BST)

leave my fucking boobies out of it!

i've had this image in my sig for years!--    bitch  12:25, 2 May 2011 (utc)

You were a safe example, man! The boobs are and were in no danger. Do you really think I would threaten such a work of art that brightens up everyone's day? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:31, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Template:Nosubst

Just thought I'd clarify my beliefs here in the hope that we don't have to keep going back-and-forth on the admin pages. Basically, templated signatures are allowed and have been for years because they cleanup code and allow signature changes to be retroactive.
Yes, {{Nosubst}} is hack to get around the software but it's a hack which is easier than trying to get Kevan to change the wiki settings and it doesn't particularly break anything.
If we want to ban templated signatures on the wiki, then I believe we should go about it like this:

1. Make a policy on signature length - to prevent the clutter of massive substituted sigs.
2. Make a policy banning the use of templated signatures.
3. Delete {{Nosubst}} after 1) and 2) have been done.

The reasoning: Templated sigs prevent massive quantities of clutter in the page code. The reason that other Wikis can do without them so effectively is that they limit signature length. If we want to do without templated signatures then that should really include a requirement for shorter signatures.

If you just want to get rid of the ugly hack that is {{Nosubst}} then I would suggest we should:

1. Persuade Kevan to add $wgCleanSignatures = false; to the settings file.
2. Delete the template after Kevan has made the change.

--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:22, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Ah, right. Well, we effectively have a limit on normal signature length now with the new wiki software version (255 chars, I believe), and a lot of users have already made the switch so as to reduce the load on various high-use pages. Passing a signature amendment policy is probably a better way to go about it, yeah; I was unaware that the original status quo permitted un-SUBST'd templated sigs. (History doesn't go back that far in most cases.) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:36, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Yes, but people can still use templates to get around it. Given that {{Goonsig}} takes up about 9 lines of code then I would suggest that we need a policy in order to actually enforce it. Yes, lots of wiki history is lost by the fact that the history archives are purged, which sometimes makes it difficult to determine why a lot of stuff is done the way it is.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:50, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Here's a thought…

“	What wouldn't be allowed Signatures which generally break the wiki in some way either through formatting or other means.	”
—

Other means, like bypassing an inbuilt software restriction? ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 13:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Only problem is that templated sigs don't actually break the wiki.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 13:50, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Actually, on many occasions they do, they constantly break inclusion limits and they're the only vehicle for signatures that can actually crash pages. There's not really anything good that comes from them, the code spam being prevented has a downside, it's that the limits on code length put in place to prevent stuff like Jedaz's evil text are removed.--Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 13:54, 2 May 2011 (BST)

It doesn't happen that often because most pages are archived off before we get to the limit. As for code spam, I'm pretty sure that the template inclusion limits prevent Jedaz's evil text from working anymore?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:15, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Actually I had to go on a template reduction spree because half the sysops were using templated sigs and breaking the required functionality templates on pages like A/VB. It happens frequently enough that if templated sigs were done away with it would have a noticeable effect on the administration pages at the very least. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 14:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Generally no because standard templates do that too, practically yes though. One user tried to use a templated sig to crash pages on load iirc because they allow basically unlimited size inclusions(to a point) they can easily be abused to break shit. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 13:54, 2 May 2011 (BST)

It should be noted that that problem has since been fixed.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Not so much, just now it takes images I'm pretty sure. --Karek^{maps 2.0?!} 14:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Also, another note: just deleting the page doesn't solve the problem because there's nothing to stop someone just recreating it in their userspace. I'm actually currently considering writing some code so that my sig is substituted in on some pages and not on others...--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)

If anyone has any hints on how to do this without using parserfunctions then it would be much appreciated.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:13, 2 May 2011 (BST)

{{if equal}} should help but, I think you'd have to use the if template in your user preferences and would likely hit the 255 character limit. You'll want to play around with magic words that determine the namespace. UDWiki is namespace 4. The "ns" magic word you'd use is {{ns:4}} which produces UDWiki. That's probably a pretty good starting point. Basically a if statement that uses one sig if on ns4 and another sig if otherwise. It would be best I think if both sigs have their own template. ~ _{17:52, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

I think I've got something that works, using {{Switch}}. Code is located here: User:The General/sig/switch. I found that using the "if" statements resulting in the if templates themselves being substituted onto pages--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 18:16, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Testing. ~ 18:10, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Well that sort of works but the {{if equal}} template would need to be NOSUBST'd I think. ~ 18:12, 2 May 2011 (BST)

I tried using NOSUBST on the if equal template in my preferences and I hit the character limit. Maybe it can be trimmed down to work but in theory {{SUBST:NOSUBST|if equal|{{SUBST:ns:4}}|UDWiki|{{subst:User:Vapor/sig}}|{{SUBST:NOSUBST|{{SUBST:User:Vapor/sig}}}}}} should work. ~ _{18:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

do something helpfull for once :P

fix the image size in this template i made {{Kinsh}} --    bitch  22:36, 3 May 2011 (utc)

What's the problem? Looks fine to me. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:22, 3 May 2011 (BST)

While you're there, I think there's either a typo in the text of the template, or the template name.--Yonnua Koponen ^{T G P} ^^^ 23:24, 3 May 2011 (BST)

Good catch. Fixed. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:51, 3 May 2011 (BST)

spelling and grammars is not my strong point.--    bitch  02:21, 4 May 2011 (utc)

go team friday night in syd

I won double tix to go team in sydney strike bar this Friday, all friends are working. Keen? -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 01:48, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Not sure I can afford the travel; just had to get one bike fixed, and the other's being worked on at the moment. Although maybe I could ride… Hmm. Will think about it.
Also why haven't you added me on FB yet, you snob! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:54, 4 May 2011 (BST)

so picturing the two of you like this --    bitch  02:27, 4 May 2011 (utc)

where did you get that —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revenant (talk • contribs) 02:31, 4 May 2011 (BST).

I googled Bike Riding Australian fags. bingo!--    bitch  02:35, 4 May 2011 (utc)

WOW looking like that we'd fit in with the go team for sure! -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:16, 4 May 2011 (BST)

Any other wiki stalkers interested in going? Grim, Boxy, lookin at you. -- ϑ^anceϑ^anceℜ^evolution 04:17, 4 May 2011 (BST)

If it's not classical or comedy I don't see Grim even so much as listening to it, let alone leaving his hermit cave and cavorting with other human beings in meatspace. Dunno about The Box.
Pretty sure I can make it if I want to, just want to fit in as much as possible that I wanted to get done up there if I'm going. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:00, 4 May 2011 (BST)

On voting for you

I hope you don't mind my reasoning. --Visible One 07:06, 4 May 2011 (BST)