Suggestion talk:20070823 tools go in toolboxes

1. Dupetastic - Get Rid of Wirecutters. Already rejected and it's close enough. --Thelightguy 07:23, 23 August 2007 (BST)

   Edited to fix link. --Thelightguy 07:25, 23 August 2007 (BST)

   RE there wasnt good reasoning behind that suggestion. with the addition of the toolbox, mine just makes sense.--'BP^Tmz 07:28, 23 August 2007 (BST)

RE: They look to be pretty much identical to me... Wirecutters are (as of now) useless, let's nuke them. The only difference is that you're proposing replacing their essentially non-existent function with a 16% encumbrance box, instead of dropping them from the game altogether (which would have the exact same effect.) That's a dupe if you ask me me. --Thelightguy 07:52, 23 August 2007 (BST)

so you admit there is a difference.any difference no matter how small means this is not a dupe.--'BP^Tmz 08:04, 23 August 2007 (BST)

Actually dupe votes are for suggestions that are the same or very close duplicates of existing suggestions. Otherwise we'd be flooded with rifle suggestions, all with tiny differences in accuracy and search odds. By the way, nice suggestion name. --  T   09:58, 23 August 2007 (BST)

oh. well damn. still, the reasoning is completly different...and thanks.--'BP^Tmz 22:04, 23 August 2007 (BST)

Dupes shouldn't be made unless absolutely neccecary. This is different becase of a very logical flavor explenation. Tools go in toolboxes. Wirecutters are a tool. Wirecutters go in toolboxes. End of Dupe argument. BoboTalkClown 02:07, 29 August 2007 (BST)

Nonauthor RE

Driaquer said:

Wirecutters were used for cutting CHAIN LINK FENCES, "Chain Link Fence" does not use chains in any way. I could easily cut a hole in a CHF with a pair of electrical wirecutters, WHY do you need Bolt-Cutters for it? And have you seen any covert-ops in any movie where they had to deal with CLFs? they aren't carrying around big-ass Tank-Armor-Cutters. They're using the heavy-duty, pocket-size wirecutters. where you got the idea that wirecutters were those huge things, yet still were only 4%, I have no clue... (non-author RE)

You CAN NOT cut a hole in a chain link fence with a pair of electrical wire cutters no matter how strong you are or were, it's physically impossibly unless you are cutting chicken wire, which isn't what chain link fences are made of, a chain link fence on an industrial building has between 12 and 16 gauge steel and as such you need bolt cutters to have any chance in hell of getting through them. I'm not basing my statements of "covert ops in movies" I'm basing them off knowing what it takes in real life. The steel is just too thick. As for the encumbrance percentages, ever held a shotgun? Not exactly wieldy tools those, and yet they only have about 4%.--Karek^maps?! 03:20, 30 August 2007 (BST)

not true. after looking up "chain link fencing" on wiki i found this. Common mesh gauges are 9, 11, and 11.5.. a good pair of electrical wire cutters can cut through 9-10 gauge wire easy. however, as you stated above industrial fencing would be higher gauge and you would be unable to cut through, but every fence in the city is not industrial strengh.--'BP^Tmz 06:24, 30 August 2007 (BST)

I want to know where you're getting your wirecutters. 10 gauge is significantly larger than 12 gauge solid-core wire and cannot be cut without a pair of dykes, tin snips or bolt cutters in my experience. For comparison, 12 gauge solid-core wire is the standard wire size of Romex cord, the stuff used inside your walls. And even that is a hassle to cut with a pair of stardard cutters/strippers. Not to mention that chain link is steel which is significantly harder than copper. Simply put, electrical wirecutters are unable to cut chain link, unless the chain link you're referring to is chicken wire.--Thelightguy 07:01, 30 August 2007 (BST)

well to be fair i do ...shall we say "borrow"? my tools from my place of work.(Imperial Oil - Strathcona refinery) so my tools may be different from your every day tool. in anycase. tinsnips and dykes would both fit inside a toolbox.--'BP^Tmz 20:58, 30 August 2007 (BST)