Talk:Zerg Hunt I.5: Gamewide Teabag Finis Operation/Documentation

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If you want to help documenting finis zerging post your reports here. I'll accept all evidence - but if you want your report to be added faster use a form like:

It will make adding reports much easier.

Thanks. -- 

13:54, 6 July 2008 (BST)


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...just click [edit] and replace it with your stuff, also edit the title. I'll take care of everything else




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I don't play very often, but lately every time I do I get killed. I did a search for the names I came up with and I think you may want to see some of this: http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-24-08_0400hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_77-26_francis_sherman_105-3d7-ff2.html--Paper Assgasket 04:31, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Carson CE evidence Kirstie has had no interactions with Carson CE but he pked her. Kirstie has killed many of Finis' confirmed zergs though. http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-28-08_1900hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_76-28_carson_CE_428-b6e-577.html

LCpl Hicks 02:10, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Processed reports

Old Proof

I was looking through my pictures the other day and saw this one, just more proof of finis being finis

  • Chars:Lorth Needa,Finis Valorum,Dark Hideous
  • Desc: Lorth Needa,Finis Valorum, and Dark Hideous all killing beavers (including myself) within a span of 11 minutes.
  • Proof:

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zergfest2008lw7.png

--Falco94 03:55, 16 July 2008 (BST)

Added. And thanks - old reports are really, really valuable since finis was much less careful then. --  02:42, 22 July 2008 (BST)


Carson CE


The time on the screenshot is EST. I was unfortunately using a different computer than usual, or I'd have been able to get an iwitness. --Jen 16:14, 21 July 2008 (BST)

Added, thank you for reporting. --  02:42, 22 July 2008 (BST)


More screenshots of suspicious stuffz

--WanYao 23:46, 17 July 2008 (BST)

Added, your report for EviIs is especially valuable since we lacked a coordination evidence. And 2... it's really odd (botting?). Thanks for reporting. --  03:06, 22 July 2008 (BST)


Aliveman1, CommunistWaffle

and since i posted someone decided to "reenact" the incident: http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-12-08_1900hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_74-23_Aliveman1_4ee-fb8-f26.html http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-12-08_1900hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_74-23_aliveman1_635-62b-915.html http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-12-08_1900hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_74-23_commy_905-544-91e.html

if you take into creation times, you can tell that this is just a run of the mill zerger. --Jamoecw 19:46, 12 July 2008 (BST)---

Well... I have nothing, completely nothing for Aliveman1 and he rather looks like a trenchy - not a finis. CommunistWaffle - I had a doubtful pleasure of IRCing with him. He behaved like a finis (insulting everyone who doesn't agree) so I'll watch him. The problem is that he didn't headshot you, which isn't a typical finis behaviour. I'm not adding them (although I'll keep an eye on the second one). --  19:48, 15 July 2008 (BST)


new reports queued...

Tigerfangredspear and EviIs Presley coordinating to kill Nevin McAvoy:

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-08-08_2100hrs_PRIVATE/OUT_77-31_killed_c40-f61-d0f.html

Will Nye and FirmusPiett coordinating to kill Nevin McAvoy:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5550/firmuspiett3ctx5.png

delta zuIu and caIista griffin coordinating to kill a raptor:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6783/caiistagriffinpkerqy5.png

-- 

15:50, 9 July 2008 (BST)

Added. --  08:17, 22 July 2008 (BST)


Kaywinnit Lee, Randall Lynch

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-01-08_1700hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_74-23_randall_lynch_2d2-62e-ddc.html http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-01-08_1700hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_74-23_Kaywinnit_Lee_569-404-db0.html the deaths themselves aren't suspicious, but the timing of the two is a little too close together for it to be separate people.

Randall Lynch - http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1287655 Kaywinnit Lee - http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1257380


killed me, jamoe - http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1042152 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamoecw (talk • contribs) 22:32, 6 July 2008.

Well... Kaywinnit Lee is a really probable finis alt, and soon we'll have enough evidence to add him as suspected. Randall Lynch looks rather like a newbie looking for XP. Finis generally would rather bring you to 5 HP and headshot you with another alt. Additionally - most of his newbie alts are generator carriers - he prefers using higher level harmanz to grief others. Thanks for reporting however - all evidence is useful --  14:25, 9 July 2008 (BST)
Seriously guys, you're way too triggerhappy with the zerg thing. 7 minutes "too close" when you're that close to a mall? FFS, they're survivors killing a zombie. It happens all the time around malls, revive points being prime targets in otherwise green suburbs. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:25, 9 July 2008 (BST)
I wonder who is it directed at... I can agree that reports above can't be treated as a proof of zerging, although - you should try to understand beavers. They're being griefed with over 50 zergs and are totally unable to play in a normal way. Finis griefing doesn't only include PKing and RPKing - he's also committing text rapes and as you surely noticed impersonates them. If it was directed at me I'm ready to discuss every alt listed here. We're not putting here characters when we're not sure about their owner (unless they were listed on other lists, and their name needs to be cleared). The problem with Kaywinnit Lee is that it's not the first time when he's RPking beavers or people hunting finis, additionally his name is a sci-fi reference. --  21:42, 9 July 2008 (BST)
It was directed at "a really probable finis alt". The name being a sci-fi reference (Firefly != Star Wars) and RPKing you guys are pretty weak grounds. You get killed often, so it's only logical that you also get killed by RPKers often, especially when (to my understanding) there aren't a whole lot of other people waiting for a revive in the suburb. It looks like you're thinking about the characters more from a "is it likely that this is a Finis alt" perspective, when you should be thinking "is it likely that this isn't a Finis alt". What I mean is, you should look for reasons for their actions other than "they're doing it because they're Finis alts". Oh, and Kaylee's a she, not a he. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 23:52, 9 July 2008 (BST)
Finis is a he, so if Kaywinnit Lee is one of Finis's zergs, than the pronoun is right. I suspected Kaywinnit Lee a while back because he attacked me at a revive point while I was active. I refreshed in the middle and he kept going. There were four other zombies there, and I was active. You probably know that the least active zombie in a group of zombies in the one to get hit if you select to attack "a zombie". So, Kaywinnit Lee contact listed me to attack me at a revive point, and it seems he brought me down to 3 HP so that Finis could bring in a zerg with headshot to finish me. Nevin has the iWits of that incident. I was waiting to see if more people came forth with suspicions about Kaywinnit. I get killed at revive points very frequently, and I do know that most of the people doing so aren't Finis. --an infection 09:14, 10 July 2008 (BST)
The "he" thing is part of why I said you're being too triggerhappy. You're already assuming it's Finis even though you're lacking enough evidence to put her as "suspected". Sounds a tiny bit biased. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:15, 10 July 2008 (BST)
In my opinion attacking finis hunters from the contact list (before refresh, after refresh) and leaving them at 3HP before getting a headshot skill is quite suspicious. Especially if it's followed by RP killing beavers, RP killing other ZHU member and RP killing beavers again after getting that skill. It's also worth noting that there's at least one obvious, sci-fi referencing finis alt which isn't connected with Star Wars. So... is it possible that it's not a finis alt? - theoretically yes, is it probable? - imho no. That's why I'll keep an eye on this character, although I'm not going to add it anywhere without getting more strong evidence. --  09:49, 10 July 2008 (BST)
Still, being a non-Star Wars sci-fi reference counts for very little. One out of ~50 is hardly a pattern. Like I said, you should at least try to think of alternative reasons for their actions, ones that don't involve Finis. Did it occur to you that other people might be targeting you guys besides Finis? Remember, you are being impersonated. As for leaving you at 3HP, perhaps she ran out of AP (quite likely when attacking with an axe). When all of the evidence can be quite easily explained in ways that don't involve Finis, I'd say it's a good chance that she isn't. Just because the evidence doesn't disprove your hypothesis, doesn't mean it's true. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 15:15, 10 July 2008 (BST)
I don't think anyone's specifically targetting me personally besides Finis. There's a zerger in Penny Heights that doesn't like me, otherwise... just Finis. This happened in Santlerville though, and the Penny Heights zerger respects revive points. I know that newbies will farm XP of any zombie they find sometimes, and that some PKers will kill any injured person, and I don't automatically jump to conclusions. But yeah, I can't say I have a lot of enemies. Finis may have 50 alts, but he's only one person. Oh, and I'm NOT being impersonated, as far as I know. If you're aware of someone impersonating me, I'd like to know about it. I don't know what other enemies I have that would be contact listing me to kill me at a revive point, and I'm not the only person this has happened to, as Nevin mentioned. I find it highly suspicious. Of course I want more evidence, but I think I have good reason to be suspicious. --an infection17:48, 10 July 2008 (BST)
I'm still not sure what you are trying to prove. I'm not saying whatever she is or isn't a finis alt. I'm just saying that I'm keeping eye on her since her actions are highly suspicious. Of course it's possible that she's just a confused low level player who decided to help poor group of ~50 star wars characters and dribiing beavers by contact listing and RPKing (or just headshot-preparing) evil TDB members and zerg hunters... But, if she's not him our increased attention will let us figure it out faster. Nobody is going to PK her (at least not for being a finis alt), I (and I guess other ZHU members too) will just contact list her. --  18:06, 10 July 2008 (BST)
What I'm trying to prove is that it's not unlikely for her not to be Finis. The only things the evidence proves are that she has you in her contacts, and doesn't like you. Yet you were treating her like it was only a matter of gathering a bit more evidence before she was added to the list. I might have gotten the wrong idea, but that's how it seemed. As for the impersonation thing, well... I'd misunderstood something and, yeah... it's more likely that she's a Finis alt than I initially though, but it's still quite possible she's not. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 03:09, 11 July 2008 (BST)

ummm, Midianian, you do realize that it the reports shown are within 4 minutes, and that i said suspicious, it isn't very often that i am killed in less than 5 minutes of standing up. also if you take into account that i don't refresh every minute to see what has happened, and i don't even look at pages while they are loading sometimes (in this case the actual time of stand up and when i started to get hit was within a minute). very suspicious, not proof in it by itself, but then again this isn't the first time i have been killed by these two, nor has any beaver, and not to mention that i myself don't have an impersonator that i am aware of. any way, i have a new beaver impersonation working with a known finis alt: http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/07-10-08_1700hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_80-25_new_finis_016-86d-17b.html

name: MinJeeta - http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1208122 --Jamoecw 19:44, 10 July 2008 (BST)

Yeah, miscalculated it. Still, you being killed soon after standing up is pretty much irrelevant to anyone being a zerg, unless it's happened more often. See the Law of Truly Large Numbers --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 03:09, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Finally - Kaywinnit lee has been added after a real-time zerg nab. -- 

17:58, 25 July 2008 (BST)

one more

another Finis: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1141208

Conan Antonio Motti killed two right after fake Nevin fueled a genny... and then fake Calista smashed the genny

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7703/prtscr043ex3.jpg

-- 

16:27, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Added --  09:47, 26 July 2008 (BST)


Notes, comments, questions

BUIIGOD confusion

I would like to ask if you could please correct the spelling to your BUIIGOD zerger area. It's spelled like BULLGOD from Feral Undead, please make sure you have spelled that correctly, as BULLGOD is NOT a zerger. Please make this clear in that area that the II's are not LL's.It is BUIIGOD, not BULLGOD of Feral Undead. Bullgod from feral undead is my friend and this pains me to see that his name is sullied like this here. thank you for your time and efforts towards the fight against zergers. --Firechick 22:22, 18 July 2008 (BST)

Can you show me at least one place where I misspelled it? It's spelled BuIIgod everywhere - notice that I used small-caps style to make it even more visible - see: BuIIgod and compare with Bullgod. I still don't get it. Real bullgod is linked in his entry as an impersonated player. --  00:00, 19 July 2008 (BST)
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