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Arbies policy

The following discussion concerns the voting on this policy.

Sorry about moving your addendum. I just took out all the "replies" and didn't notice it was you adding on -- boxy talkteh rulz 10:24 18 October 2008 (BST)

No problem. I was expecting that and had considered moving the whole chain myself to avoid getting that moved along with the others, but I've been a bit busy this morning. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:29, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Talk Suggestions

Hey. I've shifted Talk:Suggestions to Developing Suggestions. You might want to sort your sig. =p -- Cheese 20:01, 20 October 2008 (BST)

Hmm... T:S does look better than DS, but I guess we all have to make sacrifices while making the wiki a better place :/. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 20:22, 20 October 2008 (BST)

Suggestion:20081008 Wear and Tear

I don't mind you striking votes, Id just prefer it if you'd removed them from all sections and not just keep. Thanks. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 18:19, 23 October 2008 (BST)

I don't strike them from any specific sections, just where I see them. And I completely missed that one, sorry :P. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 20:23, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:43, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Changing policy docs

I tried to answer Iscariot on his talk page, but he deleted my comment. Just thought I'd repost it here, in case you're interested (and miss the history).

"You don't go back changing the policies that were voted on in light of new policies, because users signed votes for the policy as is... not as subsequently changed months or years later. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous, and would be impersonation under our current wiki rules. The policy vote pages need to be viewed as historical documents only, and later changes taken into account when reading them" -- boxy talkteh rulz 12:49 29 October 2008 (BST)

i liek

what your doing with your sig. Haha.--CyberRead240 13:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a shame that the wiki doesn't have a magic word for just plain random :P. --Midianian Big Brother Diary Room: [513,19] 13:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


Nice new suggestion portal. How much longer until it's finished? Will it be a separate page or incorporated into one of the current ones? Linkthewindow  Talk  10:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking that maybe it could replace the wall of text that is Suggestions. I can't think of much to add to it anymore, so I'll probably post about it in the next few days on Category talk:Suggestions. --Midianian Big Brother Diary Room: [511,24] 11:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Nibbling on someone's corpse

Would it be possible to merge dumping a specific body with your suggestion? Or should that be something separate? 02:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Replied here. --Midianian Big Brother Diary Room: [510,28] 10:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Is what I put up too 'similarly' worded? 19:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Not at all :). --Midianian Big Brother Diary Room: [520,28] 20:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


I think there's just a misunderstanding somewhere. I'm just saying as a rule of thumb if they show up on Stats.html they shouldn't be refused from making an advert on the basis that they aren't a group. Not that stats.html should bar people from making ads, not even that we should write it into the rules so much as we made it clear that the game engine is god when it comes to having the final say on if a group doesn't count as a group.--Karekmaps?! 18:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Karek said:
The recruitment section is meant to work with the Stats.html page, the rule should be if you show up there you can show up here.

I think you'll understand why I thought you meant it like that. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 18:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, bad choice of wording on my part. It's been known to happen.--Karekmaps?! 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


(Christmas) lights break it, as well as something else I am forgetting.

green/red/white christmas lights, dead fir tree 19:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll look into it as soon as I get me some lights and trees so I can test them myself :P. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 20:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't display any items, just blank space below "Inventory". I'll dig up the iWit to find what else broke it. Cheers. 20:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the first thing: you're using the latest version (1.0), right? If you're using Firefox, you could look in the Error Console (in the Tools menu) and tell me what it says there (just the bits about the script). --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 20:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Nothing in the error console, 1.0, and I'm seeing this. 21:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. I'll probably modify it later so that it doesn't leave you with an empty inventory if it crashes :P --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 01:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

And, no, I'm not here to spam ;)

Thanks for reverting all that vandalism, thought I would have to spend all night hitting the "Undo" button :(. Linkthewindow  Talk  10:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Bug Report: Urban Dead Victim Link acts on speech

I've seen this before but was too lazy to report it – just stopped using the extension. However, other shave been encountering it too, which is why I post here. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

<bisfan> FUCK!
	* War Criminal said "I really need to get going myself. it's been fun people. But I need to do something first." (3 minutes ago)
	* War Criminal killed all of Grigg Heights. (2 minutes ago)
	* War Criminal killed grigg heights. (2 minutes ago)
	* War Criminal destroyed the generator. (56 seconds ago)
	* War Criminal destroyed the radio transmitter. (27 seconds ago)
<Jessica_Devenish> Damn
	Obvious question is obvious... anyone got a generator?
<cheese_knight> Bis, check the strike team reports thread. :D
<bisfan> did you sack the Mall dj?
	* bisfan goes to look
<cheese_knight> Not totally, but I think you'll be pleased anyway
<bisfan> \o/
	I've got a nexus raid, read it shortly
<Emmy>  wait.... there was an "all of grigg heights" and a "grigg heights" ? o.O
<bisfan> nah, that was url's
	so it wasn't a real profile
<Emmy>  ?
<bisfan> sorry, I'm in 12 conversations and a raid, give me a couple minutes
<Emmy>  ok
	|<--    Bananana has left (Quit: ajax IRC Client)
<bisfan> that does look awesome dj :)
<cheese_knight> Got pretty lucky with my teeth on that last guy
	if you look at that, and click the profile, you see it's not real
	I forget how to do that though
	Revenant probably remembers
<Revenant> ZOMG!
	Oh that
	that's a bug
<bisfan> yeah
<Revenant> you need to disable that victim progile links GM script
	and report it to Midianian
<Emmy>  how did he do that if there is no "all of grigg heights"
<Revenant> Emmy, the victim link highlighting script has a bug
<Emmy>  yeah, I've heard
<Revenant> where if you say anything that ahs the word "killed"
	it reformats it
	like seriously, I could get such a massive RG record
	by going into a building with someone with that extension
	and saying "I killed this person", "I killed that person"
	* Revenant is tempted to make an "all of Grigg Heights"
<Revenant> just for WC
	But yeah, disable that extension
	I'll link the iWitness to Midianian.
	If I may?
<bisfan> sure
<Revenant> actually mind if I just copy from IRC?
<bisfan> go for it

Fixed. Maybe now I'll learn to use regular expressions that also exclude the wrong matches instead of merely including the right ones :P. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 12:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the power of the regexp... once you start down that dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. :P (I have a love/hate relationship with them too!) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 12:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Greasemonkey Scripts

Hi there, you say on your Greasemonkey script page that if anyone has any ideas/suggestions etc. to put them here. My thought would be to simply add the co-ordinates of the current block to the right of the map links in UDML. At the moment I use a bookmarklet, which is ok, but it'd be nice to have it there all the time. --xensyriaT 07:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'd rather not duplicate the functionality of a game item, especially not one that only weighs 2%. However, if you want to try doing it yourself, turning a bookmarklet into a script should only require defining the pages the script is executed on, and copy&paste (everything in the bookmarklet except the "javascript:" in the beginning). Good luck if you decide to try it. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 12:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear it, thanks for the reply though, and I may just be inspired now to try to make some kind of script - thanks for the advice! --xensyriaT 13:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Someone was after a script to do this, so I adapted Swiers' bookmarklet to run on Greasemonkey. Enjoy. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 12:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


I skimmed your portal design for the Suggestions page and I only have one major complaint. Don't include The_REAL_Suggestion_Guidelines. Have you read User:DCC/Suggestions? It's an updated albeit "hostile" version, but more accurate than that other tripe. If a version somewhere in between was written that would work better, but please don't further that outdated and wrong essay.--– Nubis NWO 18:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the article has just been misunderstood a bit. It's a fine line between bitter jabs and poking fun through exaggeration (I could also have misunderstood it), but it is in the Humor category. Back when I first read DCC's article, most of his replies brougth a "Uhh... isn't that pretty much what the author was saying?" reaction. But anyway, it's not exactly "Help" and I don't see it fitting any of the other categories of links so it might be best to remove it from the page. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦C:RCS¦ 19:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well Done

Like what you did on the TOS page. Looks good. Conndrakamod TAZM CFT 10:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


I know damn well his shit is not just for me and frankly I would rather not have to deal with the little dick. I try not to have anything to do with him but he just keeps coming back and I am damned if I am going to let him have it all his own way when near enough every post I make attracts his petty insults. I don't give a rats ass if he disagrees with me but I am sick and tired of his constant snide remarks and accusations. If you consider it to be shitting up the page then feel free to move it to the talk page, I would if I fancied him A/VBing me but in the meantime I would appreciate it if you kept the insults to yourself. --Honestmistake 16:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Please see who I was replying to, and try again. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 17:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't even notice that he had replied again! Although you do still call me narcissistic by default :) --Honestmistake 17:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

lal --Cyberbob 02:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


don't suppose you can explain how the hell i put images i upload onto my page could you? I really should know by now but I don't and i want to brighten my page up a little --Honestmistake 15:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I promise not to upload nipples just to annoy Nubis ;) --Honestmistake 15:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

You mean this image? Just write [[Image:Environmental_hazard.png]] on your page. There's more stuff about images here. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 16:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks... I will get too it on Monday while work is slow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honestmistake (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.


As a moderator or whatever format nazi you are, striking my comment may have been right. It is also your duty yo strike down Cheese' spam vote, as it is invalid. He says the idea is unworkable.

Invalid Votes Server Load and Programming Complexity are NOT very good Kill reasons. You are voting on the merit of the suggestion and whether or not you think it belongs in the game. Server load/complexity issues are up to Kevan to decide.

--ScaredPlayer 00:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

How is disputing spam votes a waste of time? here we have sysops and other veteran players using their experience in UD as weight to throw around when voting. Half of the people who have voted spam on mine and the other suggestion did not follow the guidelines for spam votes, and you know it.--ScaredPlayer 00:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you a sysop? And please refrain from personal attacks - "You'd make a fine politician."? Real mature there. It seems after my lengthy explanation many of the people who have voted (with the possible exception of extropymine) still misunderstand my point. I'm not trying to buff survivors (as EVERYONE thinks). I'm trying to make free runners and non-free runners the same. That's all. --ScaredPlayer 00:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU REALLY ARE A FORMAT NAZI LOL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ScaredPlayer (talkcontribs) at an unknown time.

No, I'm not a sysop. I'm just the guy who keeps the suggestions system (and many other places on the wiki) clean. Yes, I'm a formatting nazi (you say that like it's a bad thing! :D), after all, I did create this template. Your signature was in the wrong place and putting the hash and colon the wrong way around messed up the numbering of the votes in the Spam/Dupe section.

I will answer to the rest in the morning (I should have been sleeping hours ago), however I'll say that you're misunderstanding a lot of things. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 00:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, let's see...

  • Cheese's vote: You misunderstand what he's saying. He doesn't mean it's impossible to implement, he's saying there is no way to rework the suggestion into a good one.
  • Disputing Spam votes: It's a waste of time mostly because the difference between Spam and Kill is minimal. At the moment it looks like it's not going to affect either of the suggestions you're arguing about it on whether they're Spams or Kills.
  • Guidelines for Spam votes: What I might qualify as "ridiculous" you might not. Don't assume someone is abusing the vote just because you do not think it's some crazy uber power or something else ridiculous. It's subjective.
  • Personal attacks: Sorry if were offended by that, it was targeted more at politicians than you. But really, you should keep your suggestions shorter. People do not like to read a lot of stuff, especially when most of it is only reasoning for the suggestion and the suggestion itself is rather simple.
  • Your suggestion: People do not care what you mean to do with the suggestion. You might be trying to make free runners and non-free runners the same, but that's not what people are seeing the effect being. And that's how they're going to vote.

--Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 08:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What you said about stuff qualifying as "ridiculous" is true... although there's gotta be some kind of objective standard, otherwise everyone would just spam every suggestion they don't like, claiming it's "some kind of uber super power imba" shit like that. And yes, I will try to keep my suggestions shorter in the future - it seems UD Wiki members are turned off by lengthy explanations.

But seriously - what's your take? don't you think you should at least be able to turn free running off? What if you want to move to the street of an adjacent block without spending the extra AP (click building, exit building)? it is kind of annoying, I think. and the ruined building problem, too is a real annoyance. ill prolly suggest a free running toggle some time in the future --ScaredPlayer 18:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

There does not need to be an objective standard. "everyone would just spam every suggestion they don't like" Does it happen? No. Some people just have tighter criteria, some have pretty loose, others something in between. They balance each other out, more or less. And like I said, there isn't a big difference between Spam and Kill. Most of the time it makes no difference whether the Spams are Spams or Kills, and I dare say pretty much any suggestion that gets spaminated would have been rejected anyway.

I don't think toggling the skill is the answer either. It'd be a bit annoying to use and would suck if you forgot it in the wrong position. I've been thinking and I'll probably make a suggestion about it in a couple of days. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 00:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


A/VB box
If you are not a System Operator, the user who made the vandal report, the user being reported, or directly involved in the case, the administration asks that you use the talk page for further discussion.

Note that there is no mention made of whether or not a comment is short and/or relevant. If you do not fit into one of these three groups you must post on the talk page. Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif Cyberbob Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif 11:12, 6 April 2009 (BST)

Also look how you drew DDR in. You can be sure that he wouldn't have been the only user to go with the "if midianian is doing it so will i!!!!!!1" mindset. Sorry but you aren't a special case. Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif Cyberbob Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif 11:15, 6 April 2009 (BST)

I was just looking for any excuse, you know me. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:34, 6 April 2009 (BST)

Note "asks" (it's not even "strongly asks" anymore), and the lack of "comments outside these three groups will be moved to the talk page". The purpose of the notice is not a blanket banishment of all discussion by not directly related parties from the main page. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 11:46, 6 April 2009 (BST)

do ho ho no. Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif Cyberbob Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif 11:51, 6 April 2009 (BST)

Also next time you do it you will be reported for vandalism. Giving you fair warning. Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif Cyberbob Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif 11:52, 6 April 2009 (BST)

Likewise. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 11:54, 6 April 2009 (BST)

protip: I will win Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif Cyberbob Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif 11:55, 6 April 2009 (BST)

Actually, you won't be getting a case of your own, you were most likely acting in good faith (even if you were a bit ill informed). --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 12:20, 6 April 2009 (BST)

your majesty is too kind Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif Cyberbob Smug.gif Smug.gif Smug.gif 14:03, 6 April 2009 (BST)

Striking Votes


use Template:s like this. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:08, 23 April 2009 (BST)

The link DDR gave explains part of it. The important bit missing from that explanation is that struck votes must be indented (#:) so that they will not be counted. If the vote is the first vote in a section, it must not have the # at the beginning or it will screw up the numbering. It also helps to look at the "source" to see how other people have done it, try different things, and use the preview button. That's how I learned to do stuff around here. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 07:42, 23 April 2009 (BST)


I ballsed that up, didn't I? thanks for the revision.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:54, 7 May 2009 (BST)


Heh, that was kind of amusing.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 15:04, 30 May 2009 (BST)

So, wat, are you gonna leave naow? :( --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:52, 14 June 2009 (BST)

I think I'd prefer "fade into obscurity". Makes it sound more dramatic ;). I haven't played UD at all for more than a week, and I've been playing only one of my characters for at least a month. Just... lost interest. I blame Team Fortress 2. But I'm not leaving the wiki just yet. As you might have noticed, I'm offloading a bunch of things before leaving. Things I've been thinking of for some time; suggestions, discussions, maybe some policies and so on. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 17:29, 14 June 2009 (BST)

Just a question about the gennies

From some type of discussion, but the link got cut, sorry. I don't know if this was important or not...

"No, it's neither of those. Am I really that unclear or is it just you? What I'm saying here is that why would the fifth be a problem, when four wouldn't? Though strictly speaking, even five generators wouldn't be a problem, you'd have to have some other stuff in addition to those five for it to be a problem. The inventory system is really unrealistic, this wouldn't fix that. This would just annoy people. --Midianian¦T¦DS¦SP¦ 10:55, 15 April 2009 (BST)"

-Now c’mon…how hard is it to jump from rooftop to rooftop carrying a fire axe, a first aid kit, a fuel can, and 5 generators? The inventory system makes PERFECT sense!--Kolechovski 22:35, 2 June 2009 (BST)

Minor omission in UDBSC

I've been using (and modifying to taste) a few of your userscripts since I started playing UD a little over a month ago, and I recently noticed one omission in the building state colorizer. Forts that have their gates open are currently not colorized. To get around it, I added a line that looks for and colorizes "hang open", since the actual text of the page says something like "the gates hang open at an uneven angle". Just thought I'd point it out for any future updates you might push out. Thanks. Aichon 03:30, 2 October 2009 (BST)

I never really spent much time in the forts :P. I think the script had some other error too, I'll see if I can remember what it was and then update it in a couple of days. Also, I think I'll merge your edits into it to make it easier for people to customize the colour-scheme :). --Midianian 09:31, 12 October 2009 (BST)

I haven't spent much time in them either...I'm mostly knocking politely on the gates. ;) As for my edits, most of them were pretty hackish in nature, since I wasn't really planning to release the scripts, and I think the only extra functionality I added was the ability to do underlines; otherwise, I just changed the colors around to match my preference. Plus, the version I have posted at the moment doesn't have the fix for the forts in it. I'll post my most recent version of the script once I get home tonight, that way you're not looking at an old copy of it. Aichon 15:20, 12 October 2009 (BST)

It's mostly the change from noBold to bold. Definitely clearer that way if someone wants to customize the colours. Oh, and the scripts are working in GreaseKit, right? --Midianian 17:37, 12 October 2009 (BST)

Yep. I've used all of your scripts at some point, and they all work just fine as far as I've seen. The GM_* functions are really the only big thing to watch out for with GreaseKit, and you haven't used those here. Otherwise, the only things to watch out for are that GreaseKit scripts execute in lexicographical order only and that the space available in the UI for seeing the names of the scripts is extremely limited (hence my changes to your scripts so that they start with "UD" instead of "Urban Dead"). Aichon 18:16, 12 October 2009 (BST)

Urban Dead Victim Link picking up weapon kills

Hey, I just thought I'd point out that with the new update that shows what weapon killed the target, when you click on the victim name it will open up the profile database to a search of "Midianian with a pistol" for example. --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 16:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I haven't had a chance to test it out myself yet, but I think if you change

	{ rex: /^ killed (.*)\. $/,				textPre: ' killed ',	textPost: '. '				},

to be

	{ rex: /^ killed (.*) with a (.*)\. $/,			textPre: ' killed ',	textPost: '. '				},

it'll do the trick for weapon-based kills, though I don't think it handles zombie kills yet (and I can't remember what the new flavor text is for zombies off the top of my head). You can edit your scripts via Greasemonkey, so you should be able to make the change yourself pretty easily. If it doesn't handle zombies already, I'm sure the fix will be pretty simple once we get ahold of the flavor text. Aichon 18:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

To follow up again, if you make just those changes, it'll work again, but it will no longer show you what weapon was used for the kill. I've posted a modified version that makes the appropriate changes so that it displays the weapon, though I'm not sure I've worked out all of the kinks yet since I haven't been able to test it much yet. Aichon 00:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm getting a 404 on the downloadable script...--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 01:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, apparently I can't spell. The Install link should be working now. Aichon 03:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)