UDWiki talk:Administration/Sysop Archives/Spiderzed/2011-01-30 Promotion
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- Onoz meet pupptz. Just because I stick up for someone when you sling mud wrongly, does not mean I'm hounding anyone, especially when I'm responding to you doing something that's pretty much what you've just accused me of.
20:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, when did anybody even vaguely mention meatpuppetry. This is about my opinion on a sysop candidate, and the fact that whenever i put forward an opinion you don't like, you spew out hundreds of characters of attack. Get a life.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I took the liberty to take this to the talk page, as it seemed to be more about the personal feud between two third-parties, and to 0% about the actual bid. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I took the liberty to take this to the talk page, as it seemed to be more about the personal feud between two third-parties, and to 0% about the actual bid. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, when did anybody even vaguely mention meatpuppetry. This is about my opinion on a sysop candidate, and the fact that whenever i put forward an opinion you don't like, you spew out hundreds of characters of attack. Get a life.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Onoz meet pupptz. Just because I stick up for someone when you sling mud wrongly, does not mean I'm hounding anyone, especially when I'm responding to you doing something that's pretty much what you've just accused me of.
As "victim" of said flaming, I'll make a short remark: Stupid comments aimed at offending me by guys like Harrison and Zombielord is fine. If they want to look idiots than that's their choice. I'll either ignore or mock them, since taking them seriously isn't worth it. That said, your comment (looking at you Spider) where you basically go through the possibilities of an early demotion and actually encourage him to continue his flaming isn't something I take to good-faith :/. His question was retarded, don't start taking it seriously unless you're fine with his tone.
Oh, despite your sarcastic remark at this, I actually would consider a demotion or early re-evaluation if people were to express that I wasn't doing my job right. I stated this at both my bids, since I do consider community support to be of vital importance when being 'Op. I think Yonn makes a good point, and I hope you provide me your stand on the points I raised. --
Thadeous Oakley Talk 22:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Calling him a friend would probably go too far, but I'm definitively on friendly terms with Harisson, so I've viewed it as the right thing to do to answer his question.
- It should be blatant that both us aren't fans of your bid, and at least I'm still under the impression that you primarily wanted to put the title into your pocket without the workload that is usually expected from an op. If you disprove us on the job, all the better (I'd rather have another useful op to enhance the wiki and be proven wrong, than to have a lazy or useless op and be proven right). But as of now, I still have my doubts, and especially doubt that you'd be the type to consider an early demotion/RE if it would be sensible.
- (On an unrelated note, this discussion should be on the actual bid as it concerns it, not on the talk page. What was moved here was the continuing personal banter between Yon and Mis, not Yon's original objection and Mis' replies that concern it directly.) -- Spiderzed▋ 23:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't asking about my bid. I was asking if you think encouraging flaming is a good idea. --
Thadeous Oakley Talk 07:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- As long as no rules get broken, people are free to do what they want on UDWiki. If someone asks a rules question, I answer it to the best of my ability. I consider the job of an op as that of a public service go-to man (whether on wiki-coding, rules or whatever else), not to act as a judge or moderator outside of strictly defined administrative processes as A/VB or A/PM. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I personally disagree. In the strictest sense of the word, you're right, people can say whatever they want as long as it confines within the rules. However, just because there isn't a civility policy is no reason for being uncivil. While it's not a task for Sysops (as they are indeed not Moderators) I still believe flaming should be discouraged, for the sake of a more mature and friendly community. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 16:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Also, harassment is a bannable offence - Iscariot recieved a weeks ban for it back in June 2009, iirc.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well that was more a case of abusing admin pages maliciously. Too many bullshit A/M or A/VB cases will get you escalated, general hostility will not, as a general rule of thumb. 19:47, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Iscariot did receive an escalation for overall hostility, but that was indeed more of an exception. There definitely is a line that you can cross, but that would be extreme situations. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 19:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- It was a very dodgy case in general, but I think others have been done for continued harassment against specific targets. I'll have a delve in to archives at some time, because a list of precedents is obviously such a bad idea.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 21:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Iscariot did receive an escalation for overall hostility, but that was indeed more of an exception. There definitely is a line that you can cross, but that would be extreme situations. --
- I know it make VERY little difference but just in case it's worth mentioning, the week ban should have been for 24 hours. -- ϑanceϑanceℜevolution 22:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- That it was.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Karek might have mentioned harassment, but the case seemed rather to be about flooding A/M and A/VB, as Mis already pointed out (especially as the same action by SA was reported to both A/M and A/VB). Plus, that case generally wasn't the greatest hour of sysopping the wiki has ever seen, looking alone at the double standard about the sigs, so it should only be used as precedent when no other straw can be grabbed.
Spamming admin pages is a different thing than harassment (as most recently seen in the Cornholioo cases, where posting on his talk page against his notice wasn't vandalism (at least not without arbies backing it up), but him spamming admin pages with anti-semitic garbage was).
As for flaming, I'm not anyone's nanny. The users here are either grown up or at least spoiled beyond my help, so I don't see the point in making them behave. Unless their behaviour disrupts the wiki or the rules, which is already well covered by A/VB or arbies.
tl;dr: When Harisson is mean to you, don't come crying to me because I carry a badge and should use "mah authoritee" to discourage flaming. Take it instead to arbies and get him out of your hair (or escalated when he uses your talk page). That has always been the standard way to deal with such drama. -- Spiderzed▋ 22:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Karek might have mentioned harassment, but the case seemed rather to be about flooding A/M and A/VB, as Mis already pointed out (especially as the same action by SA was reported to both A/M and A/VB). Plus, that case generally wasn't the greatest hour of sysopping the wiki has ever seen, looking alone at the double standard about the sigs, so it should only be used as precedent when no other straw can be grabbed.
- That it was.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well that was more a case of abusing admin pages maliciously. Too many bullshit A/M or A/VB cases will get you escalated, general hostility will not, as a general rule of thumb.
- Also, harassment is a bannable offence - Iscariot recieved a weeks ban for it back in June 2009, iirc.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 16:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I personally disagree. In the strictest sense of the word, you're right, people can say whatever they want as long as it confines within the rules. However, just because there isn't a civility policy is no reason for being uncivil. While it's not a task for Sysops (as they are indeed not Moderators) I still believe flaming should be discouraged, for the sake of a more mature and friendly community. --
- As long as no rules get broken, people are free to do what they want on UDWiki. If someone asks a rules question, I answer it to the best of my ability. I consider the job of an op as that of a public service go-to man (whether on wiki-coding, rules or whatever else), not to act as a judge or moderator outside of strictly defined administrative processes as A/VB or A/PM. -- Spiderzed▋ 14:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't asking about my bid. I was asking if you think encouraging flaming is a good idea. --
- Meatpuppets? Unwarranted confidence votes? What is this fatheaded nonsense? Spiderzed is cautious, perceptive (enough to catch sneaky zergs who don't want to be caught), and thinks before he types. Mis is only two of those things, and look where he is. Eh's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything. Also, Free Iscariot. And furthermore: Ban Harrison. --DT
PK 04:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- fuck you DT. and cry me a river mistergamer. damnit i was traveling and didn't notice any of this.-- The preceding signed comment was added by these amazing looking bitch 12:30 2 April 2011 (UTC)
