User:Mister Nathan Marbles/9A

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Summary

This page recounts the dispute between 9A and zom as documented by Mister Marbles, a /zom/ member. This page is not NPOV, nor is it representative of the position of /zom/ as a group. For 9A's position see his userpage or the Shearbank Anarchy Cell page (now apparently deleted--that guy really likes to delete things...)

The short version is that in early January, someone began accusing /zom/ of PKing over 26.80 MHz, the Shearbank local frequency. This entity identified itself as "Ranahan Public Radio," but no such group had at the time or now has any presence on the wiki, or any other way to get in contact with them except to broadcast replies over 26.80 MHz. /zom/ members repeatedly did this, requesting that anyone who had been PKed by a /zom/ member transmit the tinyurl to a screenshot of the crime, or at least give us the name or UD ID of the offender so we could address the issue. At the time /zom/ had over 130 members and to this day we have no overt "leaders," so it was extremely difficult for us to figure out who was doing what.

Our requests for information were ignored, and instead the accusations gave way to an escalating series of threats.

Eventually our headquarters was attacked and several of us were killed. All with no evidence of any kind and despite our sincerest efforts to address complaints (which were thought to be genuine). It was eventually discovered that /zom/ never actually PKed anyone. One of our members attempted to "whack and FAK" 9A and was misinterpreted by him as attempting PK. The entire thing was just a stupid misunderstanding.

Since discovering he is an hysterical tool, 9A seems to have given up his vendetta against /zom/. This page is primarily for historical purposes. Mister Marbles' narrations will be italicized from here on.

Initial Discovery

Just before the attack on our headquarters, /zom/ created a wiki page for ourselves as a contact point and public face. This was done in hope that the situation (which was believed at that time to be genuine) could be resolved without violence. At some point after that, a /zom/ member (possibly AikaBot) discovered 9A's user page, which contained the following text:

"The criminal fight against culture is only the reverse side of a criminal culture" Pierre Klossowski

9A

Jan 12th 2008 I had a bad week.

I am, as some of you might know by now, a freelance terrorist. I had a manifesto once but I dropped it running from a big fat zed in Roachtown, and I don't think I can be bothered writing it all out again. It had something to do with hating everyone and thinking you are all stupid. And nihilism. Or was it existentialism? I know it wasn't religion, because I hate God as well. Unfortunately my hatred of him makes me believe in him in some confused and twisted way (to the extent that I capitalized his name), so actually I couldn't have been a Nihilist after all. Whatever- the upshot is that I am a terrorist without a manifesto or coherent belief structure apart from the fact that I hate everything and God and I take on the ideology of whomsoever makes the most persuasive argument, until I get bored.

Anyway. I got into this stupid argument with /zom/. There's this group calling itself some unpronounceable zombie word and they have a zed spy/assassin thing going on and want to move into Shearbank : and they asked me to help them destabilize the infrastructure around the mall and I said yes. The problem is that I didn't do exactly as they asked, and now I can't even find the web page with the unpronounceable zombie group name and the instructions on it so I'm beginning to think I might have imagined the whole thing: a hallucination born of sheer boredom with life in the middle class, social nicety hell that is Shearbank.

Yes, I have killed some people (which is more fun than killing Zeds as it turns out, because they can talk and beg for their lives and so on, whereas Zeds just gurgle and drool. Anyway, I digress-) I wasn't supposed to be killing people, not even People-Killer People, who I normally target: I was only supposed to blow up all the generators and the radio transmitters, all the while pretending I was a member of /zom/, which is easy, because they don't screen their membership. That would then bring the group into such disrepute that other groups in Shearbank would move in to destroy them, and while everyone was fighting, this Zed horde would come in from the North (I am so dead now, but wtf) and eat all the brains. I have no idea why this was planned, and nor do I care. All I know is it was doing exactly as I was asked until some little knife wielding civilian on his second day in Malton decided to cut himself a piece of my flesh, and I got pissed.

I shot repeatedly at the little bastard, 4 shotguns and a pistol. But in what must count as the worst ever payback in the history of everything, I missed every shot but one. I was out of bullets, and my target was inside a public building with too many witnesses. That building was the junkyard, HQ of /zom/.

Humiliated at my poor aim, frustrated by my inability to make my assailant bleed even slightly and being a dab hand with the spraycan, I quickly thought up an insulting combination of words to explain the mysterious /zom/ acronym, and scrawled zoosex open membership over their own graffiti. And then in the motel next door I wrote zero organization morons. And so on. I hit up a good few walls and a monument. The next day I went out and killed General Dementia in the junkyard. He cried like a baby. I have no remorse. He has a bad attitude. More graffiti. I forgot about the job I was hired to do. I declared war on /zom/ instead.

I woke to find myself being shot at by my now DeathList #2 (this in turn has become a complex twist of events, which I will explain later). He ironically ran out of bullets. I was attacked again by someone else. Both these attacks were accompanied by the ominous "This is for crimes against /zom/" decree (yeah, I know, I should have got screenshots, but blah... I'm a terrorist, I can do my own Killing, and I hate those vigilante justice groups: they're self-righteous, just murderers by another name.) I got a revive, walked into the mall and got shot to bits by the Private Payne character. And so on. I've been killed more times in a week than in the whole time it took me to level this far.

Just as I am reeling from the shock at discovering how criminally unpopular I am, I receive word from my primary assassin that he has raped my mom (see below) and as it transpires, may in actual fact be my father, given that my mom was a nun. I killed him anyhow.

It's been a bad week. And I still have to blow up all the generators and radios.

--9A 13:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that pretty much speaks for itself. But wait. There's more. After the /zom/ Meeting Hall became aware of 9A we began contacting him (some of us more politely than others). The following text was copy-pasted from the /zom/ talk page. Throughout our discussions, 9A's posts have had to be re-formatted in the interests of legibility. The text of his remarks was and is unchanged.

9A Makes a "Statement"

THIS IS 9A- if Ranahan Public Radio made a broadcast of all 3 of my graffiti slogans (including "zoosex open membership" which incidentally, is no butchery of the English language but in fact a deliberate use of a debased porn word in order to insult, you pretentious f****), and you commissioned me to be killed for the use of a radio when I AM A VANDAL AND DESTROY RADIOS AND NEVER BROADCAST ON THEM this means that you in fact have ordered the death of an individual for nothing more than tagging. Furthermore, I suggest (forcefully, because your "oh it's nothing we did wrong we just want to level quickly" crap doesn't wash) you take it up with Ranahan Radio and not me. They shouldn't be hard to find: HERE'S A CLUE/ TRY RANAHAN LIBRARY. I have a confession from one of your kindred spirits signed under discussion on my page. And your PK stats are way out. I'VE BEEN KILLED 4 TIMES this past week by /zom/ related assassins. I was going to give this fight up and move on, but now I think it's actually worth killing all your re-animators and then wiping out your low level easy pickings. BUT ANYWAY: DEAL WITH RANAHAN RADIO, fools, not graffiti artists.

I quote: "No, you got killed because you boardcasted shit about /zom/, and thats that. As you can see, i'm no member of /zom/, but i got some contacts there, and seriously: They thought that Zoosex Open Membership is pretty funny actually. --James Madley 14:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)"

So what exactly are you trying to tell /zom/? And what Confession? --James Madley 16:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

9A - show me the screenshot. Justify your assassination. I mean, all you had to say was: we killed you because you killed General Dementia after you were attacked with a knife, and I'm easy with that, because it's true. I do bullshit of course, it's part of terrorism. But nevertheless...do I have it on record that you kill people for broadcasting? That's going a bit far. If, as you claim, it was I who broadcast the terrible words "Zoosex Open Membership" and you felt it was slur enough to hunt me down and murder me, why now do you put it on your /zom/ page and invite people to add more? or is that a damage limitation exercise? You seem such serious and sensitive souls. I guess that's what comes of doing away with individuality and seeking a hivemind mentality. You see, it's interesting really: here I am, an individual who opposes the idea of groups and their implied fascisms completely and seeks instead a free anarchistic state in Malton where a natural equilibrium of dog eat dog will be reached according to the laws of urban survival: and here you are, creating a groundswell of identical clones who obey without question the dictates of some higher (cold scientific) eggheads with syringes, an idea I imagine gleaned from the model of the BORG. And you wonder why we are in conflict.

Anyway, it's all very boring really, I'm in hospital and I can't go anywhere for about two weeks...so that's two weeks of terrorism, Malton time. "=I do what I must, because I can=" to adapt a manifesto with which I am sure you are familiar.

...also why did you delete my new /zom/ acronym de-code: zealotry or masturbation? did I hit the nail on the head? hehehe

--9A 17:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol, you're a attention whore AND a troll, go talk to a /zom/ Member about this, as i am not part of this group, kthxbai. PS: You write too damn much.--James Madley 18:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

One /zom/ Member's Response

  • First of all, as far as I'm concerned "Ranahan Public Radio" is your attempt to incite members of a loosely organized group into attacking a local landmark ("site of the Ranahan Truce" whatever that means), thus starting a war. As far as I'm concerned, you are the source of all "their" broadcasts until proven otherwise.
  • Second, "zoosex" is the dumbing-down of the actual word for something, because stupid porn consumers can't spell "zoophilia". The fact that a butchering is not original does not make it any less a butchering.
  • Third, the person your "confession" comes from isn't even a member of /zom/, let alone a representative of the group. He told you so very clearly. I see no reason to discuss that little tidbit any further.
  • Fourth, we are a survivor group committed to assisting in the defense of Shearbank however we can. You have admitted to being in Shearbank for the sole purpose of undermining the local defenses and helping the Suburb fall to a zombie horde. What more "reason" do we need to kill you on sight and refuse to revive you? Tired of getting killed? Abandon your attack on us and get the fuck out of Shearbank. I don't think any of us give a shit enough to pursue you. Just go away.
  • Fifth, I'm not sure what all that mental diarrhea was supposed to mean, but one member of /zom/ has a major hard-on for the Borg. One.
  • Finally, I don't know who deleted "zealotry or masturbation" or where from, but I vote it doesn't get added to the list simply because it isn't very funny.

Cheers.--Mister Nathan Marbles 20:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

- Actually, i deleted "zealotry or masturbation" , but that was an accident, sry. --James Madley 20:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Like I said, I don't think it was particularly funny.--Mister Nathan Marbles 21:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Other /zom/ Responses

Assassinate: To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons. These murders on your person have been nothing short of killing for the sake of killing. The people who have killed you in no way represent the whole of /zom/'s wishes. If it were me, I would have simply ignored someone as pathetic as you are as we have much bigger aims than to squabble with a trenchcoater. I apologize for the deletion of your acronym de-coding and will discuss with MisterMarbles about putting it back in. Also, I will ask about adding The Envoy's acronym de-code. --ParkourArtist 19:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

9A troll is true. attention whoring? if it wins me my war (I'm 1 versus 131), I'd prefer the term PROPAGANDA. But you are right, of course. Time to stop talking and get to work. and ParkourGuy: I am sure your bigger aims are VERY important, and once again I stand corrected on a nicety of linguistic difference. But it is a GAME, remember. It's about having fun. That said, I will wet not the dryness of your page with my piss again.

--9A 19:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Reading everything on this page, I'm just going to say you're a faggot and call it at that instead of writing a giant wall of text describing just how faggotlike you are -Dawgas 23:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
9A

Reading your fluent response, I can see you are a real man, with a low brow and scraping knuckles. Real men don't use language to communicate. They gesticulate and call people faggots. Congratulations, you lump of raw meat. You scared me real good.--9A 01:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Note how he claims he's not going to respond anymore, and then responds again less than two hours later because he sees an argument he thinks he can win? That's a bit of a pattern. The following discussions began on talk:Shearbank Anarchy Cell, during a time when the page belonging to that "group" almost entirely focused on zom, apparently trying to portray us as DARIS come again and himself as the heroic defender of the little people.

9A Realizes His Mistake

Copy-pasted from the /zom/ talk page:I'm not sure what all that mental diarrhea was supposed to mean, but one member of /zom/ has a major hard-on for the Borg. One. Emphasis added.--Mister Nathan Marbles 02:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

9A - One man's mental diarrhea is another man's breakfast. Or have you never eaten at McZom's? I'm opening a drive-thru' next to the Motel. It's a franchise: you get a shotgun, a paper hat and enough boiling fat to deep fry the leftovers from an XP orgy. --9A 06:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
And the "other man" who ate said diarrhea for breakfast would be quite obviously stupid or crazy to anyone happening by. Regardless, no amount of philosophical wrangling will change the fact that "the hivemind [...] swallowing up individuality and creating a nightmare vision of tech-adapted subservient humanity, emptied of all vitality and creative willpower" exists only in your mind. Not that Locutus wasn't badass back in the day, but that was then. It's been done.--Mister Nathan Marbles 07:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
9A ...but what I'm doing hasn't been done. You don't understand it yet. I am an army.--9A 12:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

So, what's your beef with /zom/? I don't understand this whole "SAC" thing...--James Madley 22:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Originally it was a retaliation issue. I was attacked by /zom/ because I was wrongly identified as the Ranahan radio broadcaster (I'm guessing it was The Envoy). So now, rather than fight the accusations, 9A has embraced them. I founded the SAC and they have evolved a manifesto of radio and generator killing.
Ultimately, as far as /zom/ goes: I don't get them: the secrecy, the fact that it seems like the brainchild of a cell of players who wanted to get up quickly at the expense of unsuspecting newbs. I don't understand why they don't just attack zeds? This ridiculous XP orgy crap: it seems that they are subverting the zerg law in order to climb the ranks quicker than other players: and we can only assume it's because they want to feel powerful. Why seek power? Remember DARIS? Same thing: a bunch of high level players who declared themselves first a military force and then suddenly leaders of Shearbank: and made life hell for everyone. Given the history of Shearbank, I don't understand why /zom/ thought their anonymous, newspeak double-talking secretive life cultist operation would be well received here. --9A 03:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
You're just going to keep repeating that "I was killed for broadcasting" lie, aren't you? Mr. Madley, what actually happened is one of our very low-level members tried to do something we call "whack and FAK". You stab someone with a knife and then you heal them again. Gets you 6xp at very little risk and it is not an attack. We always leave our punching bags at full health. We tell our people to only use other /zom/ members for this purpose so they don't get misinterpreted as attempting PK, but somebody disregarded that and 9A tried to kill him in "retaliation". When he could have just stood there and let the newb heal him. Anyway, the newb and 9A got embroiled in a cross-PKing feud which 9A has since expanded to cover all of /zom/. It is only because he has decided to PK any /zom/ member he sees, as well as killing our generator and radio that this has risen above the level of a personal dispute between 9A and one of our members. Frankly, it's still a personal dispute as far as we're concerned. I'd wager that at least half our membership don't even know who 9A is.
All of this "/zom/ is the next DARIS" bullshit is just retroactive justifications piled on to a stupid misunderstanding. It's also worth noting that all of this "I was born here. [...] I'm not leaving [...] rather than fight the accusations, I have embraced them" bullshit is new and almost certainly untrue. Earlier in the controversy he declared that he had been "hired" by some zombie group to wreak havoc in Shearbank and described himself as a "freelance terrorist." We didn't provoke him to do anything he wasn't already doing.--Mister Nathan Marbles 09:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
9A thinks it's hilarious that half your membership know who he is. You've done more to spread his infamy than he has. In a way you created the SAC.
re: whack and FAK "...is not an attack" - this is what I meant by doublespeak. --9A 12:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

At this point 9A moved the the (still active) discussion from talk:Shearbank Anarchy Cell to User_talk:9A.

Yes I know "/zom/ created the SAC" is your latest "propaganda" line, but it just isn't true. Keep repeating it if you want, though. The more ridiculous lies you tell, the easier it is for /zom/ to look like the good guys to third parties. As for "doublespeak," again... mental diarrhea... not sure what it's supposed to mean. Maybe you'd like to explain to me how logging on to your character to find:
  • So-and-so attacked you for 2 damage
  • So-and-so healed you for 5 damage
  • So-and-so attacked you for 2 damage
  • So-and-so healed you for 5 damage
  • So-and-so attacked you for 2 damage
  • So-and-so healed you for 5 damage
  • So-and-so attacked you for 2 damage
  • So-and-so healed you for 5 damage
and your character at full health is the same thing as finding:
  • So-and-so attacked you for 3 damage ...and again ...and again ...and again
and your character dead or at low health?
One of those is a whack and FAK. The other is an attack. They are not the same thing.--Mister Nathan Marbles 23:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
9A what gives you the right to use people as a punching bag? this dialog is getting inane. I don't care whether or not I am the good guy and you the bad. It's irrelevant, and largely a question of perception. And I moved all this talk here because the SAC page is a separate issue. We have now changed the SAC "manifesto" removing the war on /zom/, because you are right: they are separate issues. The SAC has higher objectives, starting today. Also, I'm just fed up with all banter. You cannot argue me into submission.--9A 00:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
You mean you're fed up with losing the argument. You seem to love replying to everyone except me. What gives us the right to use people as our punching bags? Nothing, except for the fact that we always leave them in as good or better condition than we find them. As I've said, we also encourage our members to only use other /zom/ members for this purpose, but even when that guideline has been ignored in the past we have never received a single complaint. Not one.
You are also painfully ignorant of one crucial fact: I am not trying to "argue [you] into submission." I don't really care about you. I'd like it if you went away and left my people alone, but not enough to hunt you down, or "hire bounty hunters," or anything else you have accused /zom/ of doing. The only reason I have replied to you anytime anywhere ever is because you seem to be trying to stir up the entire Suburb against us, and that could get annoying. You'll find if you scroll up that my first participation in this thread was directed towards the good Mr. Madley after you lied to him, not towards yourself. I have continued to respond to you only because he may be following the discussion (despite your decision to move it, which I still find perplexing). From where I sit, I am winning the only contest I care about.
But you're right. This is becoming tedious. So why don't you just give it up?--Mister Nathan Marbles 03:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Which is why I've never replied to you. Please stop hijacking my page just to talk to Madley. Talk to him directly, if you've got a beef. I believe he has a page of his own. One of the things that really annoys me about /zom/ is this self-righteous bullshit where you think you can accuse me of lying. You can't tell the difference between a joke and a fact. It's one of the big reasons why I'm fighting you.
Thank you so much for explaining your whack and fak policy some 7 days after the fact. I'm so sorry I didn't intuit that I was about to be healed. My bad, for not knowing the inner workings of your group development program.
You have a gameplan and it all seems to be going very well. Why are you so bothered about 9A? I stopped commenting your page a while back. If you don't want to respond, then don't. It doesn't bother me whether you believe that members of your group killed 9A for "crimes against /zom/" or not. It happened, get over it, and now I don't like you. I'm one player with one character. If I choose to play as a terrorist, so what? If I choose to declare war on you, so what? Why are you so concerned? As for me stirring up Shearbank against you, I doubt very much that I alone can do so. And again (yawn), let me reiterate: I moved this all here because it's become a debate about 9A and not the SAC. I realize that you cannot imagine anyone having such a brilliantly conceived and powerful group as /zom/, and we should all bow down and kiss your feet. But amazingly enough, there are other members of the SAC, and we have our own direction and vision. and they are not to be confused with this bitter little conversation. --9A 10:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

This sentence originally ended "they are not to be confused with this bitter little conversation, which I will take no further part in." And yet...

Oh and what? We were supposed to "intuit" that a massive stream of unverifiable accusations coming our way was all the result of one whack-and-FAK gone bad? If what you wanted was an explanation, it wouldn't have been hard for you to get one. We spraypaint our radio frequency on the freaking wall. You could have run away from what you thought was an attack (though didn't you think it was strange he was using a knife instead of an axe?), tuned a transmitter to our frequency and asked us "Hey! What the hell?!" Somebody (probably me) would have gotten to the bottom of it, explained the situation to both sides, renewed our internal request that /zom/ members only whack and FAK each other, and that would have been the end of it. Instead you've founded two sock-puppet "groups" ("Ranahan Public Radio" and "the Shearbank Anarchy Cell") to try and wage war on us over a stupid misunderstanding. Just today you broadcast something on the /zom/ frequency about how "the time to attack the Mall is now" and "our undead allies" are ready to invade or some such. What's the point?
I also can't let this one slide: "I've never replied to you." You have replied to me five times on this page alone. If you don't want to be accused of lying, stop lying.
Or at least do a better job of it.--Mister Nathan Marbles 23:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
...but here's the thing. I haven't broadcasted anything, not since "zoosex open membership". I'm not the Ranahan Public radio, and never was. These groundless accusations are bull. This is why I fight you: because you blame me for everything. You are scapegoating me, and that galls.
Looking back over this page I see you are correct in your statement that I've replied to you. There are so many of you spamming this page, I lose track in the minute I spend each day logging in. But then, the question begs, why did you accuse me of not replying to you? You're a strange one, Marbles. --9A 23:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I never said you don't reply to me. You said that. What I said is "You seem to love replying to everyone except me." Which is true. Some of my fellow /zom/ members use ad hominem attacks, and you reply by insulting their intelligence. I on the other hand speak calmly and provide facts to support my assertions, and you either don't reply or make it sound like a chore when you do.
Yes. Facts. Sooo inconvenient...
Speaking of facts, here's the problem with your radio denials: The Ranahan Library is obviously some kind of important Shearbank landmark ("site of the Ranahan truce," whatever that means). If I was a "freelance terrorist" trying to wreak havoc in Shearbank, trolling a disorganized and relatively new group into attacking the Library (thus starting a war between that group and offended locals) is exactly what I would try to do. And let's not forget that the instant I accused you of being "Ranahan Public Radio" on the /zom/ talk page, all of "their" broadcasts abruptly ceased. Yeah. You kinda gave it away with that one.
It's also worth noting that any experienced troll would have created a wiki page for "Ranahan Public Radio," and done their best to make it appear as though said group actually did exist. You however, are obviously new to the wiki (I am still fixing your formatting to keep our discussions legible to third parties, and I saw an admin explain in-wiki links to you the other day) and apparently did not know that.
The "9A is Ranahan Public Radio" hypothesis explains all the evidence. If you have another explanation, I am willing to listen. But at this point, you have lied (or used "propaganda" as you describe it) so constantly that the burden of proof is on you.
Finally, nobody's "scapegoating" anyone. You seem really attached to the idea that we've killed you (if we even have killed you) because of RPR or God knows what else. You are killing our generators, killing our transmitters, and killing our members. Those are the things we're retaliating against you for, and we know those were you because we saw you.--Mister Nathan Marbles 00:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Eleven minutes after this post, 9A replaced all text on the page with the words "no more." Eleven minutes. Apparently he really can't stand to lose an argument.

Conclusion

/zom/ is not a PKer group and never was. We are not even a disorganized group with PKer members. We are a bunch of lowbies who got targeted by a psychopath. To those who were bothered by all the pro-/zom/ and anti-/zom/ broadcasts on 26.80 MHz during the time it took us to track down the problem, I sincerely apologize.--Mister Nathan Marbles 09:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Beating a Dead Horse

Le sigh...

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