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===20090423 Disembowel===

[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 15:26, 23 April 2009 (BST)

'''Suggestion type'''<br />
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'''Suggestion scope'''<br />
Zombies

'''Suggestion description'''<br />
This suggests a zombie skill that make it harder to heal grievously wounded survivors. It would allow the zombie to create a severe stomach injury that must be attended to before Hit Points can be restored.

Tangling grasp would be a prerequisite skill. When a zombie has a survivor in their grasp with less than 20HP, a new button would appear: <b>[Disembowel SURVIVORNAME]</b>

This move would cost 1AP, and give the survivor a new "disemboweled" condition. A small wound has been ripped into their stomach, small but deep enough that it must be treated first. The next first-aid kit used on them will remove the disemboweled condition but restore no HP. In a nutshell, this skill blocks the first first-aid kit used on the survivor.

Infections will still be cured by the "blocked" first-aid kit, just no hitpoints will be added. The one exception to this would be in powered hospitals with the surgery skill: using surgery would remove the disemboweled condition and still restore 10HP (rather than the usual 15).

Disemboweling isn't a normal attack move, and has 100% accuracy (after all, you've already succeeded in establishing a tangling grasp). However if a survivor is wearing a flak jacket they would have a 30% chance of resisting disemboweling attempts. The zombie would then be free to try again.

Now here's the major final point. Dying removes the disemboweled condition. It doesn't carry over to when they're revived. So why would a zombie use this on a suvivor they were about to kill? They wouldn't. It's use would be on survivors you just barely can't kill with the AP you have, to prevent them from being healed. Even though disemboweling doesn't bring the victim closer to dying in the sense of removing more HP, it's equivalent to the survivor's HP being reduced by 10 if someone tries to heal them. Very useful for attacks on buildings frequently checked by healers, such as malls, necrotechs, buildings adjacent to hospitals, or anywhere with a large crowd.

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'''Keep Votes'''
#'''Keep''' 'Disembowel' might not be the most accurate name for this. "Gut wound" is closer to the truth, but doesn't sound as nice. The current name is pretty much just a placeholder. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 15:28, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Keep/Change''' Maybe buff the flak jacket resist % (it is a flak jacket after all, not a knit sweater) and make it otherwise like a normal hand attack, damage and hit % (it does hurt to get a hole poked in you, and the flak jacket resist % could apply to both status change and damage), but I like the general idea.  And just add it to the attack dropdown menu when applicable, eliminating the need for another button.  And "Gut wound" isn't a bad name... better than "Disembowel".--[[User:Necrofeelinya|Necrofeelinya]] 15:54, 23 April 2009 (BST)

'''Kill Votes'''
#'''Kill/Change''' - Should be 40% success on no flak, 20% chance on flak/flesh rotted or something of the sort. Game shouldn't have 100% accuracy status inflictions (mind you bite is 30% success). Also, you make no mention of how this would interact with infection. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 15:40, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#*'''Re''' It would not interact with infection. I don't want to give it a low percentage of success because then it's no longer competitive with hand attacks. It should be much easier to pull off than hand attacks because otherwise why not just deal the damage the normal way? 10hp of real damage is better than 10 resistance to healing. In a sense it already does have an hit/miss accuracy - the accuracy of establishing a tangling grasp. The flak jacket chance of blocking just goes on top of that. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 16:28, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#**'''Re''' I would imagine using it instead of a hand attack as a last AP or early attack just in case I ran out of AP. The tangling grasp likelihood of working is actually quite high, so 100% success would just be overpowered IMO. --[[User:Johnny Bass|Johnny Bass]] 16:44, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#***'''Re''' But with a flak it comes down to 60%, the same has hand attack accuracy with tangling grasp. So the zombie's choice for their last AP is between a 60% attack for 3 actual damage, or a 60% chance of 10 phantom damage. --[[User:A Big F'ing Dog|A Big F&#39;ing Dog]] 17:13, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - This is in essence a 100% chance to cause 5 HP (maybe 10) to a survivor once tangling grasp is achieved. 5(10) actual hit points is no different from 5(10) HP resistance to heal in terms of AP expenditure if the survivor lives. There is no point if you have the AP to kill; if you don't the only point is to cause survivors to expend addtional AP and this is a free chance. [[User:Rocky Ford|Rocky Ford]] 21:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill/Change''' - 100% accuracy? No, thanks. Even if it's 60% with a flak jacket, it's still too much imo. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 21:29, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Change''' - 20% acurracy or GTFO! --[[User:OrangeGaf|<span style="color: #FF9900">OrangeGaf</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:OrangeGaf|<span style="color: DarkRed">Talk!</span>]]</sup> 23:07, 23 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Just don't like the concept. --[[User:LaosOman|LaosOman]] 16:38, 24 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Change''' - I like this idea, however I think the numbers do need some extra tweaking before it would be keepable. And the name is a bit of a misnomer. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:50, 24 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill''' - Unnecessary --  [[User:Rogueboy|Rogueboy]] 22:31, 24 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Change''' - 100% accuracy?  Are you mad?  Lower the accuracy rate, and then we'll talk.  I think it's an interesting idea, and it doesn't seem overpowered, but I don't think there should be 100% accuracy for ANYTHING in this game except heals and revives.  Change that and it would get a keep from me. --[[User:Fujiko Mine|Fujiko Mine]] 15:55, 25 April 2009 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Among other things, it should should carry over after you're revived. Yeah, I'm nuts... but I think it should. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:21, 25 April 2009 (BST)

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