UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Amazing vs Rasher (2)

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Amazing vs Rasher (again)

Well here we go again, folks. This time it will be really interesting, I promise.

So I contact Rasher on AIM asking what the Hell he's trying to do, exactly. His responce? That nothing will stop until "Gold is put into the box" or some such rediculous phrase alluding to payment.

I've done my research. I found Rasher myself by trying to find out how I could contact him outside the wiki to handle things. (This Wiki is hardly the place for any kind of uninterrupted discussion, and I'm sure EVERYone wishes this would all move off the Wiki)

I came across Rasher's Resume online, very quickly by entering his e-mail address into google. (hoping I'd find his AIM name)

Where does he go to school? A school.

Bear with me. I am not making his private information public without cause.

Now, "Amazingrules" has been vandalising my pages very recently, AND I've gotten SPAMMED in my e-mail by someone repeatedly resetting my Wiki password. The vandalism to my page is highly helpful to GANKBUS, falsely saying that I and my group ran away from them.

Who has been resetting my pass?

Well, the idiot who kept resetting it to spam me and keep me off the Wiki (guess what, I don't have to re-enter it when you change it.) was stupid enough to not realize the Wiki sends me his IP address with every request.

urbandead@urbandead.com  to me   More options   1:53 pm (1½ hours ago) 

Someone (probably you, from IP address 152.14.70.119)
requested that we send you a new The Urban Dead Wiki login password.
The password for user "Amazing" is now "QFqgT8Q".
You should log in and change your password now.

So I trace the IP, once again using our friend Google to find a reverse IP lookup site.

Where does it lead?

OrgName:    North Carolina Research and Education Network 
OrgID:      CNRT
Address:    PO Box 12889
Address:    3021 Cornwallis Rd.
City:       Research Triangle Park
StateProv:  NC
PostalCode: 27709
Country:    US

NetRange:   152.14.0.0 - 152.14.255.255 
CIDR:       152.14.0.0/16 
NetName:    NCREN-B14
NetHandle:  NET-152-14-0-0-1
Parent:     NET-152-0-0-0-0
NetType:    Direct Allocation
NameServer: UNI00NS.UNITY.NCSU.EDU
NameServer: UNI10NS.UNITY.NCSU.EDU
Comment:    
RegDate:    1994-08-08
Updated:    1998-09-17

That's right, it's someone. He thought I'd never be able to tell who it was, much less prove it. I can forward one of the old "Password Update" e-mails to whoever wants it to PROVE it's someone. It'll have the info to show it cane from the UD wiki and it'll have his school IP on it.

At this time I ask for a complete and utter PERMINENT BAN on Rasher for abusing the Wiki to this extent. It goes beyond vandalism. He's willfully reset my password multiple times, enough to spam me - with the intent of harm. (though he failed in the 'harm' part, thankfully.)

I also ask someone CHECK HIS IP AGAINST "Amazingrules" to further prove my case for his banishment.

This is really enough. He's using the Vandalism Report page as a smear page against me because he knows I cannot post there to defend myself. Furthermore the reports he is making concern me removing what I was told did not belong from a previous arbitration case.

Perminent banishment for Rasher would be the right thing at this point, there is no doubt. (except from Rasher and GANKBUS members, I'm sure.)

Related links: Rasher's email address, is no longer posted on

Scinfaxi's talk page by Rasher himself.

Google.com, where you can enter the e-mail address found here for the name of the school he goes to.

(again, posting this info is regretable, but it is now necissary due to his actions.)

I'm sure someone will say: "WAIT! LIKE 50 PEOPLE USE THE WIKI FROM A SCHOOL, THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT WAS ME! WAIT! NOOO! WAIT!!!" - So I will pre-emtively mention this: Banning the IP of the user who did this is not stopped by mutliple people using the IP.

-- Amazing 23:23, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Note: I do not know which came first, my contacting him or him vandalizing and resetting my pass. For the purpose of being honest and upstanding I wrote the above as if I had contacted him on AIM first. -- Amazing 23:32, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Ok. First of all, i am all agaisnt posting private information from others in here or any other page. Second, this has gone too far. I believe a mod is needed here, since any arbitatrion decision wont be followed by EITHER sides. If no other Arbitrator has something against this, i wish Amazing to be released from his ban on the vandal page just this time. --hagnat ^talk 23:43, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Since there's no "report people for resetting your password a lot, asking for money in exchange or leaving you alone, AND vandalising" page, I didn't know where else to put this. Perhaps an arbitration ruling of: "Yeah, Rasher needs to go away, all other matters aside" could help get at least one of the many Mods into action. As for the private info.. How else could I prove anything? :\ - I could offer the info in e-mail form to anyone who asked, but so what? Then people just ask for it and I send it. heh. His e-mail was made available BY HIM, and that is the source of all info I've gotten. Anyone with his e-mail and Google can see the two pages that list his personal info. Heck, taking the "@gmail.com" off even brings up more about him. Besides, I don't think that pasting in the reverse IP info of someone who reset my pass without my permission violates any sort of rule, material or immaterial. -- Amazing 23:54, 5 April 2006 (BST)

I do go to NCSU and use a public wireless network which is where the IP came from. They're randomly assigned to anyone who uses a laptop. I know personally at least 10 other students at NCSU that play Urban Dead, although I will not reveal how many of them are related in any way to GANKBUS for game security reasons. At a campus this large I'm sure there are more as well. 'amazingrules' is obviously coming from a laptop on campus as well. In fact, it probably happened somewhere close to me. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people on the internet that dislike you. We report you for vandalism because you try to "color" our comments about our goals with your own points of view, which is against the policy. The vandalism page clearly shows that. If this is a request to somehow stop us from reporting you, we'll remove our request if you stop editing our page. I'll accept both pages (CDF and GANKBUS) being protected from the opposite teams -The General, Amazing, all members of CDF, and all members of GANKBUS and affiliates (scinfaxi). Also, we legitimately think The General is somehow connected to CDF. This personal information proves that I go to NCSU and so does amazingrules. Remove my personal information at once. Rasher 23:47, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Rasher says "Amazingrules" was from the school as well in order to cover his ass when the IPs match. I will accept NO LESS than total banishment of that IP. Since Rasher has posted the school which he attends on the Wiki now, I guess it's no longer in question as to weather or not I should have posted it. Seems he has no problem telling others, could've said he didn't go there and secretly gotten it removed by a Mod. -- Amazing 23:54, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Remove the personal information at once. It proves it was from the same subdomain as Rasher, and nothing more. As I said before, other members of GANKBUS and UD players go to NCSU and use the free wireless networks...why wouldn't they? I'm fine with an IP ban of amazingrules ip, on the condition that Amazing, The General, and CDF be barred from editing, in any way, GANKBUS. The same will be held for Scinfaxi, myself, and GANKBUS on CDF. Rasher 00:00, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Im not removing info you posted on the Wiki yourself. Furthermore, it's the info of the person who reset my pass. All I said is what school you go to. You said it too, so no. No removal. (this is just Rasher seeing an opportunity to cause more work) -- Amazing 00:03, 6 April 2006 (BST)

You have a link to my resume. Remove it.

Know what? I replaced the link with a link to Google. See? One of us is reasonable. -- Amazing 00:08, 6 April 2006 (BST)

The e-mail SPAM of my password being REPEATEDLY RESET continues. -- Amazing 00:06, 6 April 2006 (BST)

What can i say ? Amazing, you cant touch the Gankbus. Rasher, you and your crew can organize your group agaisnt the CDF, BUT no wiki page is supposed to be a UserHating page. Therefore, any Amazing hate messages will be deleted BY A MOD OR THE ARBITRATION TEAM. Amazing, you dont count as an arbitrator in this case for obvious reasons. I volunteer myself to remove any content that i find hateful, biased or false from that page upon request. Ademais, no gankbus member can touch any CDF or amazing related page.

If i find that either Gankbus or Amazing actions against each other have went too far again, i will *gladly* report it as vandal actions, since i am, and i believe most of this wiki user are too, tired of all this gankbus vs. amazing battle.

I ask you two, and all others involved, to act in a mature way while using this wiki service. This should be a place for people to gather information and have fun, not a place to solve personal vendettas against users you dislike in any form. --hagnat ^talk 00:09, 6 April 2006 (BST)

And, amazing, please remove rasher's personal information from here. --hagnat ^talk 00:09, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Done. How do you propose I report all the inflammatory and false info Rasher and his buddies will be posting, without a doubt? Your talk page or what? That's going to get pretty annoying for you, won't it..? (Seriously) As for misusing the wiki, CDF isn't a grop out to attack GANKBUS. GANKBUS is a group out to attack CDF and me. Easy to see the cause of it all. -- Amazing 00:14, 6 April 2006 (BST)

You can use my talk page, or we could create a section in the arbitration talk page (i think this is better). There will be disclaimer on the NPOV section of the GANKBUS page explaining how things are going to work now. --hagnat ^talk 00:32, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Leave it up to the moderators. We're not going to post anything intentionally inflammatory (other than general anti CDF stuff like we had up before). If something is actually personally offensive, in a legitimate sense (not correcting factual data) you can post it to one of our talk pages.Rasher 00:24, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Your information "like you had up before" will not be inflammatory or offensive in any way either. -- Amazing 00:27, 6 April 2006 (BST)

You know what? This doesn't address the IP that reset my pass. That still needs to be banned. Also, - Someone needs to report Amazingrules for vandalism unless we're picking and choosing now. Zaruthustra ignored my request to look this over, for the record. -- Amazing 00:24, 6 April 2006 (BST)

For that use the vandal report page. I asked you to be released from your ban in there, this time. Wait for another arbitrator to accept it. --hagnat ^talk 00:34, 6 April 2006 (BST)

It should already have been on the vandalism page since an abritration decision said the GANKBUS page had to STOP being an inflammatory attack page. No one took that up, so here everything lies. -- Amazing 00:38, 6 April 2006 (BST)

I've decided to block Amazing's offending IP for 24 hours, at the very least. If after this ban the IP continues to reset Amazing's Pass, I'll happily begin stepping up (This should also have the handy benefit of letting us see which user accounts use that IP (and sorry, Amazing, this is not something I can check manually - Unless I can get access to the actual weblogs (which I can't), which IP is behind which username is off-limits to me). -- Odd Starter ^{talk • Mod • W!} 01:27, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Much appreciated. I'm sure that all the folks on that IP can play from home. It's a wonder they haven't been flagged for Zerging (Just because of the mutual IP.) -- Amazing 02:57, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Unfortunately I can't do that myself. I removed my email address from the talk page, and edited it from your talk above. If you have a problem with this you can repost it, but I consider it personal information. Rasher 00:29, 6 April 2006 (BST)

Actually, no you do not edit my Report. You made it public, sorry. -- Amazing 00:31, 6 April 2006 (BST)

I still consider links to and directions how to obtain personal information inappropriate. Do we otherwise agree on the circumstances of arbitration? Rasher 01:25, 6 April 2006 (BST)

By that logic "Look for Rasher on the internet!" would be inappropriate information. I have no problem with the ruling, all that would change is someone else removing your insults/incorrect info instead of me. Actually saves me some work. :) -- Amazing 02:57, 6 April 2006 (BST)