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| =JESUS ''Bike-Riding'' CHRIST.......again= | | == Bahahahaha == |
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| For one of our own was crucified for our sins and left this plane for five long years, while our spirits soured and crops withered. It was foretold our lord and saviour Amazing would return one day to govern the masses.
| | Love the new sig. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:49, 26 September 2012 (BST) |
| | :I figured it was time to shrinky-dink it. :B · [[User:Amazing|<span style="border-left: 1px solid #aaa; border-top: 1px solid #aaa; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa; color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; background-color: #eee; padding: 2px 0 2px 2px;">Amazing</span>]][[User_talk:Amazing|<span style="border-right: 1px solid #888; border-top: 1px solid #888; border-bottom: 1px solid #888; color: #eee; text-decoration: none; background-color: #aaa; padding: 2px 2px 2px 0;">phobia</span>]] 06:05, 26 September 2012 (BST) |
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| That day is here.
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| Rejoice o brethren of the beard! Sing high to the angels that greatness once again walks among us mortal men! For everyone else, your bikes await. Ride on to the darkness, cast away from the light of the bearded way! Hallelujah! --[[User:Zod Rhombus|Zod Rhombus]] 01:24, 23 April 2011 (BST)
| | how come you are still allowed to edit the wiki ? damn you zing, i <del>manipulated</del> convinced the community to unban you just so we could have fun banning you again --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 18:37, 20 June 2013 (BST) |
| | | :haha nice banter between old foes :P xD {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 20:02, 20 June 2013 (BST) |
| :Gosh, it's almost like you think I was ''God'' or something. (HOLY SHIT I'M KIDDING YOU GUYS.) -- [[User:Amazing|JJJameson]] 03:13, 23 April 2011 (BST) | | ::Sounds like a case for Arbitration! -- · [[User:Amazing|<span style="border-left: 1px solid #aaa; border-top: 1px solid #aaa; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa; color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; background-color: #eee; padding: 2px 0 2px 2px;">Amazing</span>]][[User_talk:Amazing|<span style="border-right: 1px solid #888; border-top: 1px solid #888; border-bottom: 1px solid #888; color: #eee; text-decoration: none; background-color: #aaa; padding: 2px 2px 2px 0;">phobia</span>]] 20:22, 20 June 2013 (BST) |
| | | :::hagnat being a bad poster is not a matter for arbitration. only hagnat can stop himself from being hagnat {{User:Cyberbob240/Sig}} 20:53, 20 June 2013 (BST) |
| == Response. ==
| | :::: That was sooooooo deep, man. Pass the joint --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 21:25, 20 June 2013 (BST) |
| | | :::: Hagnat is a forest fire and only YOU can prevent forest fires! -- SmokeyBear / · [[User:Amazing|<span style="border-left: 1px solid #aaa; border-top: 1px solid #aaa; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa; color: #aaa; text-decoration: none; background-color: #eee; padding: 2px 0 2px 2px;">Amazing</span>]][[User_talk:Amazing|<span style="border-right: 1px solid #888; border-top: 1px solid #888; border-bottom: 1px solid #888; color: #eee; text-decoration: none; background-color: #aaa; padding: 2px 2px 2px 0;">phobia</span>]] 00:25, 21 June 2013 (BST) |
| 1. Yes 2.Yes 3.Yes 4. Make a request on the Vandal Banning page if you have a concern. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 23:50, 22 April 2011 (BST)
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| :The questions were: | |
| :# If a tree falls in the woods, does it make you horny? | |
| :# Can I have a bite of your Egg McMuffin? | |
| :# Am I going to get banned again right away? | |
| :# What should I do if the headmaster at my school keeps calling me into his office for "special touching"? | |
| :-- [[User:Amazing|JJJameson]] 03:13, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::Also, I have no idea why my screen name was set to JJJameson. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 03:23, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| :::I really can't stand mcmuffins. They don't seem real.--[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:39, 23 April 2011 (BST) | |
| ::::That explains why you didn't so much give me a bite of it as cram it in my face while I wept. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 18:18, 23 April 2011 (BST) | |
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| == lurrve u ==
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| I did it! I helped get you unbanned! Now don't make me look silly -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:31, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| :So... no writing on your face while you nap? :( -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 18:18, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| Welcome back, Amazing. :D --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 18:53, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| :Why Mr. Koponen, you're trying to seduce me. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 19:14, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::Damn straight.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 19:46, 23 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::: *Runs out of the room quickly*--{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} ''' 20:29, 23 April 2011 '''
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| look who is active again... glad to see you around this place again, 'mate. Sorry i didnt took a bigger part in this than i was hoping, but i was kind of busy renting a new home for myself and the lady :) --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 20:13, 25 April 2011 (BST)
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| :On the contrary, if you hadn't been posting about it, no one would have cared to do anything. Give yourself credit. :) Also, it looks like Arthur ran out of the room so fast he forgot to close the tag behind him. -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 00:39, 26 April 2011 (BST)
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| == because i can ==
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| and nobody cares about me here. welcome back here. maybe >.> -leaves cookies on a plate on a table over there---[[User:Mikalos209|Mikalos209]] 04:47, 26 April 2011 (BST)
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| :Thanks for the cookies and the welcome. I'll try not to choke on either. :) -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 06:51, 27 April 2011 (BST)
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| == Zar's Nostalgia Corner ==
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| I swung by the wiki to see whats up with UD, as I do every few months, and who else should I see but Amazing! I can remember when me and grim were always hashing it out with you. Until we banned you. And Grim went kind of nuts and I banned him. And then people kept writing new policies about stuff and I stopped paying attention. Five years, makes me feel old! Unfortunately I'm [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Demotions/Archive#Zaruthustra retired] now, so I won't be available to be locked in endless wiki-combat with you. I'm sure you'll find something else do though. Wish you all the best in your new lease on life. XOXOXOXO. --[[User:Zaruthustra|Zaruthustra]]<sup>Still a Mod in His Mind</sup> 05:06, 29 April 2011 (BST)
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| :There's nothing saying we can't flame each other anyway. I'll start: "UR A POOPER!!1" -- [[User:Amazing|Amazing?!]] 06:22, 29 April 2011 (BST)
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| :ZOMG... the [[WCDZ|shadowlord]] has spoken :D --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 14:09, 29 April 2011 (BST)
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| :I swear, there must be a planetary conjunction or ''something'' of the sort… {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:55, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::Don't be absurd, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation. We're living in the approaching times of Ragnarök, a pitiless age of riven shields in which the ancient warrior gods of Urban Dead will gather one last time for a battle that will destroy the wiki. Stick around! --[[User:Zaruthustra|Zaruthustra]]<sup>Still a Mod in His Mind</sup> 14:49, 6 May 2011 (BST)
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| Any o' you new folk I haven't pissed off yet want to go in on a sort of "Zombie Game Oriented Forum"? I just bought Zombied.com recently and have been itching to do something with it. I don't have the time though for original content, so a forum system might be interesting. Mostly, I wanted to test out my signature. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 05:36, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| :Hmm. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:09, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::Come to [http://urbandead.net UrbanDead.Net] and talk to us, I know I'm interested. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 09:36, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| :::Yes, I'm also known for skulking about forums and helping out on zombie related projects. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:52, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::hows HR going? Yon still screwing with your wiki? --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 10:06, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| :::::fuck HR whats going on with DiL2 -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 10:51, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::And ZPwiki? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 10:52, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::HR's going fine. I update it a ton and listen to the community, though I don't always agree. We get tons of players in bursts, then it peters out again, probably because it's hard to find other players on the map, which is something that I need to address some time soon. UD is like Doom, and HR is like Quake. A lot of people prefer the original, but we're doing some new fun stuff that hasn't been tried before, etc. <_< -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 19:56, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| :::::::More like Rise of the Triad, for the sake of analogy (Quake was also made by iD). And yeah, lack of active player visibility is the biggest issue I've heard from those who've tried it. What kinda stuff do you have in mind? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:05, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::::Okay, UD = Doom, HR = Going outside and meeting a girl. :D Heh. But seriously, folks - Some of the things seperating HR from UD on the positive side would be an actual structured group system where leaders actually control who can get in and can keep track of member log ins, the greater amount of skills/items/location types/etc., and of course the inclusion of vampires. "30 Days of Night" vampires, not "OMG He's such an old soul!" vampires. And of course, there are things I'd like to get into the game in the future that are above my programming skill level. Like weather systems, complete with rare natural disasters, etc. It's just sort of like... what if there were a game where what people suggested was actually MORE likely to be included than LESS likely... assuming the suggestions aren't bat-shit crazy, of course. :) -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 00:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::I don't know whose site UrbanDead.net is, so forgive any bad vibes - but some strikes against it are the stock template, complete with unedited stock logo, the fact that the template is flowery as sin, and the fact that it's using phpBB. "Ouch" on all counts, unless it's like that for humorous purposes. I know I've set stuff up in the past with a purposefully tongue-in-cheek vibe. I'm sure the community is great and it's probably run professionally, but the first impression is an uppercut in the dick. Plus... dot net? :X I can accept that there's already a place people prefer to hang out, but I don't know if I necessarily want to swing by. (Huge loss, I know.) -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 19:56, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::Oh, and I was mostly talking about a site larger than UD fandom, to handle fans of all "zombie genre" games. I'm sure there are others, but probably not with a URL like Zombied.com Heh. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 20:04, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| :::::Which may well be a good way of roping more people in to Urban dead and hell rising to increase the player base.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 21:12, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::Mos Def. (Especially Hell Rising, har har.) -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 00:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::Aye, I gathered. It's certainly a catchier URL than [https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=zombie+forum most of these], but a lot later to the game. What do you see as being the key ingredient to get people visiting your site? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:05, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::That's definitely a huge amount of results - but I don't know what percentage focus on zombie ''gaming''. I'm assuming many do, but of course there's the URL advantage, etc. A big draw is also what sort of community framework you set up. Is the forum a living entity that grows and shrinks to fit the user base? If there's a 200+ thread called "Post items you want to trade in zombie games here!" will the admin take the hint and create an "Item Trading" section? etc. etc. etc. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 00:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::Fair enough; those are (mostly) valid criticisms, as the forum is still mostly as adjunct to the [http://rg.urbandead.net Rogues Gallery] (and I'm a lazy bastard {{tongue}}). I'm curious, though: what's your beef with phpBB? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:05, 30 April 2011 (BST)
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| :::::The phpBB thing just comes from the administration end of it. I haven't used it in many years, so I'm sure it's proably changed - however I usually find Simple Machines forums (SMF) very, very, very versitile, easy to set up, easy to use, etc. With two clicks you can have a blog on it. Two more clicks and you have a trade rating system. Two more and you have an entire art gallery, etc. I don't know if phpBB now offers the same ease of use and vast amount of features, but based on the sites I've seen using it - it doesn't seem so. People often have phpBB as "just a forum" when you can build so much more with other scripts. Plus the permissions feature of SMF is really great, enabling you to make a forum where people can only reply (IE: Comment on news) or make a member group that can post on a forum that displays on your main page (articles, reviews, gaming news, etc.) and much more. Ramble, ramble, ramble. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 00:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::As an example, check out this site I'm (still) building: [http://germcomics.com Germ Comics] - The "blog" in the middle and the "store items" on the left side are actually taken from the forum. The whole "Germ Comics" page is actually one PHP file that just displays info I posted on the forum and in the forum's "store" add-on. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 00:42, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::::I should probably clarify the reason for the rant. Imagine, if you will, UrbanDead.net as a mock-up of the Urban Dead game view - but all the recent activity is actually posts and events pulled from the forum. Click them to bring up the post, or click the map view to go to a category on the forum, etc. There are a lot of possibilities with SMF that would enable the building of a unique and memorable site. Hell, it could even display your proper forum username in the proper space on the UD layout. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 18:12, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| [http://www.doompuppet.com/uploads/zombied_gross.jpg Hurr.] -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 01:18, 3 May 2011 (BST)
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| As you're back you might want to update the HR description. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 18:19, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| :Ahh, thanks for the heads-up. I thought since there was a Nexus War and Hell Rising page, the Related Games page was dissolved at some point. Hurrr. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 18:25, 1 May 2011 (BST)
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| Have taken a peek at the site since your return, but it somehow hasn't yet clicked for me. If you had 30 seconds to give me the elevator pitch, what are the best features to sell someone who likes UD on trying out HR? (Also, are there any stupid restrictions on PKers/death-cultists like some trenchtastic UD rip-offs have? Have found nothing in the FAQ about it but cursory mention of the term PKing.) --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 18:49, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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| :No prob. I don't mind "selling" the game, as it's almost as fast as not doing it. :B
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| :#Faster AP regen, creating a different style of play.
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| :#Automated anti-zerging system, with "combat locking" as opposed to banning, and penalties that start out small and ramp up as further offences are committed.
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| :#Rich group system with a ton of useful features.
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| :#:See who's not active if you're in the group.
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| :#:Set up your own member ranks w/group management privelages.
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| :#:Set group to open, invite-only, or apply-to-join.
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| :#:Etc.
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| :#Tons more items with tons more uses.
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| :#:Hand-held walkie-talkies enabling global chat channels.
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| :#:Chainsaws that aren't over or underpowered. Fuck yeah.
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| :#:Stupid "damageless" weapons like joy buzzers and water guns.
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| :#:Etc.
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| :#Tons more types of locations.
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| :#Tons more skills.
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| :#New dynamics courtesy of the much-maligned "vampire" option.
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| :#Environmental effects, such as rainstorms, the ability to start and fight fires (which naturally die out in rain, btw), and more to come.
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| :#Some semblance of balance between "races"... when real numbers of people are playing, of course...
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| :#A great group of players who ''do'' play.
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| :#Tons of hidden features and Easter Eggs, some discovered, some as of yet still hidden.
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| :#:Like http://lazarix.com - the HR version of "Necrotech" with much more of a presence and personality.
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| :#An administrator who checks suggestions/discussion nightly, occasionally weighs in on said, can be asked questions directly, and often enacts changes based on userbase preference.
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| :#And more. I dunno, this takes more than thirty seconds to read, doesn't it?
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| :In all fairness, the current complaints that pop up are that Vampires deal too much damage when on a killing spree (a skill heightens damage if you have a streak of kills), Humans need stronger barricades or to bypass them, and Zombies aren't as fun to play as other "races".
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| :We refer to "PKing" as "TKing" or "Team Killing" because PKing really would apply to everything because everyone is a "player". If you kill someone on your "team", like human vs. human, there is no penalty EXCEPT for the fact that you don't gain XP from the attack. That's it.
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| :-- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 23:04, 7 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::I'll give it a shot, provided I'll get ALL of my money back when I'm unhappy :p 24 harmanz on the main map? If I'd bring in Cobra just in half force we have in UD, we could totally PK the heck out of the main map :D Have started as Convict btw - a melee attack option is in my UD experience the best way to rack up some quick first XP, and if that game is anything like UD, I figure that it will be the easiest for harmanz. Not so sure if I like zero XP for PKing - won't that make it hard for PKers to progress at all, and won't that make it tough for zombies to level who haven't yet learned Intellect? --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:40, 8 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::PS: It displays the entry message [http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8402/hrdoublemessage.png twice] for new players. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:45, 8 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::''Only'' twice, if you're ''lucky''. I have to figure out why it started doing that. I'm not an actual PHP programmer, I just play one on the internet. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 21:09, 8 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::We have an amazing 200% money-back guarantee! And please do bring in a death squad. We could use the excitement. The revive dynamics are a bit different than UD. You revive corpses, and a bottle of revival serum does three corpses. So it's a bit easier to revive than on UD - especially important given how easy it is to die. :D The zero XP for PKers/TKers is basically just a safeguard against encouraging new players to sit in one area and cannibalize their own... as opposed to going out and finding the fun. If we had a lot more players, it might not be needed, etc. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 21:09, 8 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::Plus if you're a zombie, and you want to stay a zombie, combat revives actually give you a bonus. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 23:47, 8 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::Convict, eh? I recognise that class name… heh. Well played. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 10:53, 9 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::In the end, it didn't matter much which class I picked, because I found no one to whack with my nightstick and ended up holed up in a library. Levelling with nothing but books is scarily fast (especially compared to UD) - about 1/2 of all books seem to grant 1XP, and you find several of them per search. I made enough XP to learn to barricade within few hours, and have now enough spare XP banked to learn my first zombie/vampire skill in case I get nabbed. (The +10XP per skill is across all three races, not just within the skillset of your current race, right? So I need 130XP and not 100XP banked as a Lvl2 harman?) --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 11:06, 9 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::Second day in, and I've met the first other player (other than on the radio). Since learning to barricade (and having banked enough spare XP to function as a zed/vamp once I get killed), I have left my library and moved a bit around to repair buildings and cade-strafe. I have the feeling that that will eventually kill me (cades have been a rare sight so far, so they will probably lead someone to investigate for my survivor), but at least I get something done rather than flipping through and discarding books. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 00:33, 10 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::Yeah, I really regret the lack of players. The ability to hide reduces the chance of running across someone, but it's a balancing act vs. people being out in the open at all times, and thusly immediately killable... which especially common when there's so few people on. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 01:31, 10 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::XP from books could use a ramp-down, eh? <_< I'll check it out. We have one player who actually maxxed out by doing that sort of thing, one XP at a time... but it was an alt he created specifically to do that and it took forever. :) And yes, the skill cost increases on a per-skill-bought basis. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 01:31, 10 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::Nah, leave books the way they are, I wouldn't know how else harman newbs could find something to gain XP on at a decent rate. Have also tried Lazarix computers, but that's extremely slow and requires to find a working Lazarix building. And book-learning isn't that much faster than repairing buildings (but unendlessly more dull). At best you, could scale book-learning so that newbs learn faster, while vets have trouble to see something new under the sun. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 13:27, 10 May 2011 (BST)
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| So, yeah, I've tried it now for several days, and have played as all three races. These are my thoughts:
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| #Vampires are hands down the stronger of the undead races. They don't have to learn a skill to handle a friggin' door knob, they don't have to learn a skill to swing a sledge hammer, they smell targets (for easy XP), and they can ransack buildings (for even easier XP). Zombies don't have any of that, and have neither any redeeming qualities, or any area in which they are stronger than vamps.
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| #Zombies are fucked. As in, brutally ass-raped. They have no viably easy way to make XP - they can't learn from books (like humans can), they can't repair buildings (like humans with Carpentry can), and they can't wreck buildings (like vampires with Decimate can). Their only chance to make any XP is destroying cades (which are hard to find, especially as they detoriate) and finding harmanz and vampires (where vampires compete with them, and massively outclass them with their senses).
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| #Harmanz are not fun. The only way to stay alive is to never, ever end up on a square where a vamp ever passes through. As soon as a vamp enters your square, you are dead. When you sleep in a ruin, they smell you. When you put up cades, every fool knows that a harman must be found inside, because the detoriation makes cade-strafing not a viable tactic. And even if you put up insanely heavy barricades, the vampire just waits for 10 minutes to regain some APs, whacks down the barricades, and slices you in half with two kame-hame-ha attacks.
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| If you want to redeem the game, these are the things that you should do:
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| #Make it more newb-friendly. This isn't UD where you can simply stay in the open (as an undead) or cash in on the barricading work of others (as a survivor).
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| #*Make hiding a basic ability, not a skill. You've built the game around the assumption that everyone hides, so don't punish newbs for just having started the game by making them especially easy targets.
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| #*Let each and every new character start out with a harman, a zed _and_ a vamp skill so that they aren't completely fucked when they inevitably die.
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| #Remove barricade detoriation. Completely. That would make [[Barricade Strafing|barricade strafing]] a viable tactic and would also help newb zeds/vamps as they find more cades to destroy for easy XP.
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| #Nerf the vamp's Supernatural Senses by making it only work on light barricades - not on anything higher, and not on unbarricaded buildings. That way, [[Hiding In Plain Sight]] and [[Barricade Strafing|cade-strafing]] become viable tactics, while there is a barricade level at which a.) the building remains enterable and b.) the prey detection doesn't kick in. It would still be immensely powerful (it isn't hard to take down higher cades to get them to lightly), but not so much as it is now.
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| #Take Decimate away from the vamps and give it to the zombies. Turning everything over in the search for brainz is the zed's shtick, not the vamp's, and they direly need an easy way to make XP. Vamps already have their supernatural senses for that.
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| These are my thoughts so far. I'll play it for some more to see more of the game, but once I have the essential skills for all three races, I'm not sure if I will play on in the current state - the game seems to boil down either to getting butt-raped on daily basis by vamps, or to playing a vamp and competeing with the 40 other vamps for the dwindling number of n00bs who play anything but a vamp (13 humans, 14 zeds). --Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:39, 12 May 2011 (BST)
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| :Well, thanks for at least sticking around a few days. :D Heh. Also for the suggestions. Several of these issues have been ongoing, and it's just a matter of me figuring out the best solution - measure twice and cut once, etc.
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| :Right now I'm thinking it might be good to swap the zombie Raze skill and the vampire Decimate skill between the races... plus, I can always make starting classes with the hiding abilities as a sort of way to start people off hiding. I ramped down barricade decay recently to twice a day, but yeah. It was put in place when the entire city was overcaded and left to rot but times have changed I suppose.
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| :As for project funny... It seems to me that ''everything'' that has ended up there is unfunny... Can I vote "Delete anything that gets posted here"? :D -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 20:01, 12 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::Swapping Raze and Decimate should do the trick to make zombies suck less.
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| ::As for hiding, let it be a chance untrained (25-30%), and make it certain with the skill. That would still leave a strong incentive to learn the skill and save APs that way/have a better chance to hide on that return on the last AP, but gives newbs a better defense against the vets. --Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 21:26, 12 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::Making hiding innate with the skill as a buff is interesting. That way I don't have to ditch the skill altogether. :) That's where not being a ''real'' PHP guru (and just a guy who learns as he goes) comes into play. I can definitely handle making the skill a buff, however. But I do wonder if this should logically apply to all "races". Hrm. Also, good show on the signature w/the Project Funny link. I spent a half hour on my front porch, shaking my fist and shouting "CURSE YOU, SPIDERIZED!!" -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 00:02, 13 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::The same could be applied to other essential skills. The only other skill where I'd see an immediate use for an unskilled chance is Intellect, though. That would keep doors from becoming a total showstopper for newbie zeds. (Doors in HR are anyway more a hassle than a worthwile feature, even less so than in UD. They don't stop the main threat of the vampires at all, and neither do they stop any zombie who has grinded for more than 3 days.)
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| ::::I have now also a HR forums account and could file those suggestions officially if you want. However, I doubt they'd fly well, especially as most experienced players seem to stick with the vamp side. IMHO, the game needs currently a strongman developer who is willing to make unpopular decisions.
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| ::::As for Project Funny... Yeah, most entries are as funny as getting a roadkilled hog stuffed down your collar. That's why we have a clean-up project to kill the worst of the worst with fire and let the 2 or 3 entries stay that are mildly funny {{Tongue}} (And disregard the following, it's just my temporary sig. It will be amended in a week or so when awareness of the continuation of the project has spread.) --<small>Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way.</small> --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 16:09, 13 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::There are some new updates you might be interested in. :B More to come, hopefully, if I can find another night where I have a good span of time to work in. Speaking of funny, I'd be interested to know your take on the humor hidden in HR, if you've found any - or even found anything to be humorous. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 04:20, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::::You evil developer! You has taken away my Twilight City vamp's Decimate just as she was about to rack up XP :o Which idiot has told you that it was a good idea to swap those two skills? If I ever find that person... [[Image:Tongue.gif]]
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| ::::::As for humour, HR looks to me generally a bit like the freewheeling, whacky cousin of UD. It is just one magical crucifix short of running with everything that has been rejected in the UD suggestions system (and maybe not even that - it wouldn't take me wonder if there was an anti-vampire mortality that is built around that). You spend all day all the APs, rather than to wait 24h between serious bouts; it revolves heavily around combat, rather than about controlling area; and it has bikini girls and cheerleaders fighting the undead with chainsaws, cow horns and the odd fake flower. Serious business. --<small>Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way.</small> --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 11:53, 14 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::::Be careful what you wish for... or... casually suggest... -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 04:10, 15 May 2011 (BST)
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| == Your idea? ==
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| You said you had an idea for a BBG; could you elaborate?--{{User:The General/sig}} 08:32, 10 May 2011 (BST)
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| :As per our convo via e-mail, I'll put the finishing touches on a mock-up tonight and upload it to give you a better idea of what I'm talking about. :) -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 20:30, 11 May 2011 (BST)
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| == Shiny! ==
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| Have we your permission to use [http://doompuppet.com/uploads/udnet.png it]? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:02, 21 May 2011 (BST)
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| :Butt of coarse... With the stipulation that you don't ask me why it's mail ("Dead Letter"?) themed, because I have no idea. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 07:16, 21 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::Dankeschön!… Presumably because bulletin boards are traditionally places on which to post mail, amongst other items? {{cool}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:24, 21 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::Oops! You asked! :D But I'll look the other way. -- <font face="helvetica">[[User:Amazing|Amazing]]‽ <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD + WTF = HR]])</small></font> 07:28, 21 May 2011 (BST)
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| == Your sig ==
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| UD - FML = HR? More like UD - players = HR. lololololololololol --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 17:38, 24 May 2011 (BST)
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| :Well, it can work in a lot of ways. UD - Apathetic Creator = HR... UD - Rabid game-breaking griefers = HR... UD + Humor = HR... UD + Features people have been begging for since 2006 = HR... the possibilities are endless. :) -- [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Amazing Amazing] <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD - FML = HR]])</small> 17:42, 24 May 2011 (BST)
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| :I should note that, of course, the "FML" refers to being AP'd out and dead on the floor while you'd rather be enjoying the game. :B -- [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Amazing Amazing] <small>([[Hell_Rising|UD - FML = HR]])</small> 17:48, 24 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::Yeah, I agree completely. that's something I liked about Dealt in lead, that you could essentially keep playing. the thing that gets me with Hell Rising is that it's got more classes and such, so there's more to try and remember. I just never really got around to actually playing enough.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 18:25, 24 May 2011 (BST)
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| ==New Sig==
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| Looks fine. Can't see why it would be illegal, but I may be missing something.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 23:57, 29 May 2011 (BST)
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| :HERE GOES NOTHING. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 00:08, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| I think it sucks... big time --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 02:19, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| :"I think it sucks... big time" -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 02:44, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::There, now I own it! :D -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 02:44, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::Breaking pagez bru -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:41, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| ::::looks like you've fixed now? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:43, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::Yup. For some reason the closing span tag was on the next line. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 03:55, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::: you could've you know... unbrake them afterwards --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 12:50, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| :::::::Well, it's my own page, so I didn't really feel the pressure to. Plus it gives people an idea of what DDR was talking about. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 18:01, 30 May 2011 (BST)
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| == been a month and a half ==
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| how does returning here feels ? --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 19:52, 6 June 2011 (BST)
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| :Every day is a candy kiss from sugar-coated fairy princess, and I'm pooping rainbows from atop a cotton candy cloud. It's like being born again, but this time as an awesome laser-wielding robot made of solid gold, atop a motorcycle with chainsaws for wheels. I feel like a rock star and a rocket scientist had a baby, and that baby called in a personal favor from God himself and thus I was created. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 20:00, 6 June 2011 (BST)
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| :: someone is thinking really high of self today, huh ? --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 20:10, 6 June 2011 (BST)
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| :::Yes, but only today. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 20:12, 6 June 2011 (BST)
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| == A/DE ==
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| Have just checked out of curiosity and thought to give you a heads-up. You are now [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=250&target=Amazing just 19 edits short] of being ripe for [[UDWiki:Administration/De-Escalations|de-escalation]], eliminating one of your escalation levels. That means that the next escalation couldn't get you on a new permaban vote, which seems to be a major peeve of you. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 19:07, 18 July 2011 (BST)
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| :Ah, interesting. I didn't know it was that close. What is necessary for completely wiping the slate clean? -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 01:01, 19 July 2011 (BST)
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| ::1 month of time and 250 edits since the last escalation. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 01:02, 19 July 2011 (BST)
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| ::::Ah, I see. So how have you been, lately? -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 01:06, 19 July 2011 (BST)
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| :::It should be noted that that is for ''each'' escalation level, not to completely wipe the slate clean.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 01:27, 19 July 2011 (BST)
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| ::::Indeed, I kind of figured. So what've you been up to, lately? -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 01:52, 19 July 2011 (BST)
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| :::::not playing you're more crappy than UD game. {{tongue}}--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>01:56, 19 July 2011 (bst)</small>
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| ::::::BEEP BEEP BEEP Please repeat in English. XD -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 02:08, 19 July 2011 (BST)
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| :::::::sorry. damn iphone. you asked what i've been up to lately? well you really asked yon. but anwsered cause i was bored waiting for the subwa. what i meant was I wasn't playing your game. what ever it's called again. :| --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>03:25, 19 July 2011 (bst)</small>
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| ::::::::Yeah. Damned iPhone. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 01:44, 22 July 2011 (BST)
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| :So can I nominate myself for de-escapantiloons or is that against the rules? -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 18:50, 16 September 2011 (BST)
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| ::You can not only nominate yourself, it is also the usual way. Still 12 edits to go to 500, though. Let out that inner spambit! --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 19:09, 16 September 2011 (BST)
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| :::Oh. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 19:12, 16 September 2011 (BST)
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| ::::Snap. -- <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: bold; color: darkred;">™ & © [[User:Amazing|Amazing]], [[Hell Rising|INC]]. All rights reserved. Replying constitutes acceptance of our [[User:Amazing/Myths|Terms of Service]].</span> 19:12, 16 September 2011 (BST)
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