Talk:5th of November/2012

Dangermap Gallery

I don't know what Johnny's initial plan was for the gallery, but I think it would be better to have a separate image for each update so that we can see how the suburb changed over the course of this 5th of November event. --Klexur 02:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

So... what, just save as a different file name? -Charles Whipplebotum 02:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I couldn't find an easy way to link to previous versions of image files through the wiki. I went ahead and reverted the image and re-uploaded your newer one. --Klexur 03:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Klexur is right, that was my plan indeed :) PB&J 09:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Consider uploading them at higher resolutions so you will have more options down the road (like if you want to make a movie for example.) -MHSstaff 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I know what you are thinking Johnny Twotoes

You are thinking about staying at that old Blackmore place and reviving your friends. I came here to talk ya out of it. What you are thinking of doing, Johnny, it has been done before. Old man V tried it in 2006. And in 2007. And in 2008. And in 2009. And in 2010. He tried to bring ’em all back. But sometimes Johnny, what you revive ain’t what comes back. It might look like a real-life thinkin’ person but it’s not Johnny. It’s a Level 43 survivor. Sometimes Johnny, undead is better. Undead is better. -MHSstaff 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're scaring me :P Anyway, this wasn't really my idea but I like where it is heading, and as an Assistant Instructor at the Academy, it's a great way for our cadets to meet new people ;) PB&J 18:46, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

PS: nice reference, took me a while to recognize it (and I didn't want to look up the link you provided, felt like cheating)

I was hoping you would catch the reference! -MHSstaff 19:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Rookie…

Yeah, you wearing the Creedy tags. Come over here.

Feeling a little nervous? I know man, I know. I know exactly what is going through your mind. You are thinking “Man, if we don’t take this suburb, humanity is totally f*cking screwed.”

Don’t worry man. We’ve all been there. That’s why before these big “Final Penultimate Survivor Victory” events, I like to use something to take the edge off, to give me that extra boost I need to power through to victory.

Synthetic human growth hormone.

I’m talking a 30% increase in fast-twitch muscle response. I’m talking unparalleled muscle growth. I’m talking like 0 to EHB in two seconds. How does that sound Rook?

I thought you’d like that. Just imagine, when those zeds come through, lighting up your Windows 7 Box like a Christmas tree, you’ll be ready, mashing that barricade and attack buttons until there is nothing left but a bunch of dumped corpses and some stunned onlookers thinking “Man, I didn’t know you could do that on a browser-based MMO game.”

That’s right Rook. You’ll save your group. You’ll save humanity. And you’ll get the girl.

Drug tests? What if you get caught using PEDs?

Man, don’t worry about it. I got you covered. This shit is totally undetectable by Kevan’s mandatory, post-event drug tests. It’ll just be our little secret. So, Rook? How about it? Think about it, and when you are ready to take your game to the next level, we'll talk. -MHSstaff 19:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm here now

The place looks ridiculously repaired. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 20:43, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Why would it be repaired? I mean, this doesn't start until the 5th right? Right? -MHSstaff 20:52, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to eat someone. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 21:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I know! I just got headshot by a brainrotted survivor. Why? Why do they hate us? We are soft and cuddly and non-violent and stuff!-MHSstaff 21:39, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't even open doors. The beastly harmans! --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 21:43, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Part of me is actually considering coming outside for a big group hug... PB&J 21:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Whatever hater. Do you remember how we welcomed you into our suburb, and then you locked us out of our homes and said we couldn't come in and murder you? I thought you cared about us. And you want to throw it all that away? Just because you want to go on breathing? Meanie. -MHSstaff 21:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I know why you're here, MHS. I know what you've been doing... why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by the ruins. You're looking for it. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when I found it, it told me I wasn't really looking for it. I was looking for an answer. It's the question that drives us, MHS. It's the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did. PB&J 21:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Its alright. I got inside. Tried to give Jonny a hug, but these claws are next to useless. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 21:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

So that was you? Too kind, too kind ;) PB&J 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

All about the personal service. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 22:16, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

God, I've got to say. I'm a level one zombie. I've been inside 4 times in the last day, and I've been headshot 4 times. In this time I haven't seen a single combat revive. What the deuce? --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 15:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't look at me, I go with the old traditions whenever I can ;) PB&J 17:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Finally been scanned. THANK YOU. Now what you should be doing is sorting out a specific time in IRC to drop a genny and do a mass combat revive. Or stand around and get eaten. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 00:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Do trenchies even carry generators and fuel? It takes up precious Shotgun encumberance. I'm suprised they have DNA Extractors.--Akbar 04:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Trigger Happy

A little trigger happy are we? Contrary to Roddy's assertation, I am not "here to PK". In fact I had spent half a dozen AP just an hour previous on cades. I have prayed feverently to Rando, her will is clear. I shall defend Blackmore until my dying breath. And in death, I will follow my instincts. On which side will you have me standing, defenders of Blackmore? James Slimm 22:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Pray for a stab, and it may be a good idea to mention you're not here to kill. Some people tend to get overzealous when they see a bounty on someone's head... ;) PB&J 22:24, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I hear you man. They pulled something similar on us. At first they were like "Hey, we are like having this totally awesome party on the 5th and you should totally come by." And we were like "No way! We'll be there and we'll bring chips!" And they were like "Awesome! Bring Doritos!" And then they shot us and threw us out into the streets just because we wanted to eradicate their entire species. I mean, what the hell? -MHSstaff 22:29, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Should've brought dip. PB&J 22:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Aye, I had logged in to do just that but found myself quite dead. The message above should have been delivered in person. I did manage to get back inside but my friendly mrh? fell on deaf ears. Perhaps my next steps inside will earn me a stab, as you put it. For now, enjoy some Jimmy gore on your fresh cades. James Slimm 22:52, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, I hope to stab you the moment you're inside ;) PB&J 22:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Ridleybank has already been repaired...

Ridleybank is repaired and you still want me to bring revive syringes and generators? F*ck that. I am bringing my shotgun. I'm the sexiest thing ever to happen to UrbanDead. I bet I can clean up this whole city with just twenty shells and my rock hard abs. And even if I can't, it doesn't really matter. Because I'm going to look great doing it.

God damn. Did you see how I blew that head off that one zed? It exploded like a f*cking watermelon. Yeah that safehouse just got overrun but who cares. I just crushed two zombies with my bulging pecs. Damn. I am sexy. I bet you want me. I bet you want me right now.

Shit. Did zombies just drag Susan screaming out into the street? Don't worry Susan. Those aren't screams of pain. Those are screams of desire. God she looks great. I bet she is watching me right now dive off this skyscraper into that horde below. Oh man. Did you see how I blew up those six zeds with a flare gun? God I am one sexy beast.

Damn. They killed Susan. Well, that's ok. You can't save everyone when you are trying to look good. Look, this isn't a war. This is about the future of humanity. Revive queues? Lame. Metastrategy? Lamer. Safehouses? What is this, My Little Zombie Pony? Look, Malton isn't going to save itself. It needs people like me. People who are sexy enough to grab a shotgun and look great shooting it. Your safehouse got overrun? Yeah, well, deal with it and be glad that you were lucky enough to watch me in action. I am liquid sex.

Look, I don't care about your plan. If it doesn't involve looking good on top of a pile of shotgun-blasted corpses, I don't want to hear it. I am not doing this for you. I am doing this for me, and for all the little kids who are tired of dealing with lame-ass groups who don't know the first thing about shotguns and looking good while shooting shotguns. I'll be over by the Rodgers Building. Let me know when you are serious about making a difference. -MHSstaff 21:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Not that I don't appreciate a good reference left and right, but please don't clutter the talk page with it ;) Thank you. PB&J 21:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

:(-MHSstaff 21:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Try them ingame? Pretty sure those speeches would look nice in the middle of a cade breach ;) PB&J 21:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

:( :( :( :(. Have fun with your event! It looks awesome! -MHSstaff 21:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Why all the sad faces? Just join us, breathing or undead, all are welcome :P PB&J 21:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

This is as much our event as it is yours, and you're in our home (which you'd do well to remember), so we'll comment creatively here as much as we like, thank you very much. --TWO HEADED SEX BEAST 21:19, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Seeing as it was a tough decision to choose between my survivor and my RRF alt for this event, yeah, I'll try and keep that in mind... PB&J 21:24, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Have fun with it then, enjoy it whilst it lasts. I know I did when I sieged Blackmore as a survivor in 2010 (whilst also a member of the RRF). But we didn't tell have the gall to the RRF not to post on a talk page, or not contribute their thoughts and opinions or writing, because... we're all part of the same event, just on different sides, and this creative back and forth is what helps make the siege more fun than if it was just some dour game mechanics based grind-fest. And I frankly love MHSstaff's writing). --TWO HEADED SEX BEAST 21:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure I was polite and didn't really obstruct the creative back and forth here? I thought MHS and me were on the same page here, not sure if that's the case, but if not: I apologize. :) As I said, I love that stuff as much as the next guy, but it's something best savored in limited quantitites at a time, to make them more memorable. Considering "having the gall to tell the RRF not to post on a talk page", that just never happened... PB&J 21:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Winka Memorial Page

Since you guys took Blackmore in memory of Winka, might be worthwhile to save screenshots of that, especially if you did a dedication in game to her memory for Marcel's page. -MHSstaff 21:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, I'll see what I can get my hands on ;) PB&J 21:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Definitely do if you can, especially if it is written well and in a format that her family could appreciate. -MHSstaff 21:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course :) PB&J 21:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Survivors, did you know ...

that Ridleybank is a community built upon the foundations of peace and understanding, one that looks to foster meaningful interactions between zombies and humans? While we are excited that you have chosen Ridleybank as your new home, we ask that you leave behind your biases and prejudices and work with us to establish a bold new community, one that inspires a new spirit of zombie-human cooperation. Leave behind your hatred, for everyone in Ridleybank ---zombies and humans alike--- are treated as equals; there is nothing we can't accomplish if we work together. Most importantly, leave behind your weapons as they tend to jam our industrial-sized meat grinders. -MHSstaff 20:35, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Peace! Not war! But peace! I mean, you guys aren't like against peace and stuff, right? -MHSstaff 20:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

yo, mhs, why the spam? A ZOMBIE ANT 09:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Spam? I am just greeting and welcoming our new harman friends to the neighborhood. Someone has to! Also I just saw you in-game! Killing a zombie! It was awesome! -MHSstaff 18:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Awesome seeing you in-game that is and not the killing a zombie part. That was terrible. That zombie had a family. And you just killed them. Murderer. -MHSstaff 18:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Parity

Just for the record the current tally in blackmore is 51 survivors, 51 zombies. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 09:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised there are survivors left. I was hoping for a better plan than just log in whenever and shoot. Alas survivors, you have disappointed me again. -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 11:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I was scratching my head too but it seems like its more of a 'martyr' act connected with holding the building as long as humanly possible- at least for the 24 hour period of the 5th, which they've managed to do (congrats guys) although at this point one could claim that the zombies technically hold it as they outnumber survivors now. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to write up my own thoughts at some point. It's been a very strange event. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 12:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

IMO, once the cades were down and it was obvious there was no plan to get them up, it was over. Anything after that is just waiting on zombies to have AP to finish it. Plus, WTF is with the headshots? This is why I always end up killing survivors when I try to play nice. Also, I'm working on this, not an assessment of what happened but I was thinking "why the hell aren't they..." -- _{Org XIII} ^Alts 12:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

ooh, sexy. Good start, mine was looking more at objectives, public statements, and the various forum stuff. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 13:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

My take (and Team Survivor can correct this) was that Team Survivor wanted to get a lot of groups together, have a stand-up, knock'em out gorefest, and kick it back casually while holding the building for the 5th. Which they did! -MHSstaff 18:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, that seems to be the message. Ive started collecting a few quotes on my talk page. I was expecting a siege, I got a meatshield buffet. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 18:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but I can't help but agree with Ross right now :( I'm pretty sure it's partially thanks to the no-Combat Revive policy many groups have, which they forgot to mention shouldn't apply here... PB&J 19:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I need to work out the sums on how efficient revives would have to be for this to work. Do some groups still have a no revive policy? I'd love a list. I'd like to convince them otherwise. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 20:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You're joking right? You actually have to calculate this? This is hardly the cutting edge of strategy anymore. This is a Necrotech. 1 person drops genny, fuels it, then camps the Repair button. At present, you'd need 11 people with 5 needles, in IRC, in a coordinated strike to clear Blackmore, 1-2 more to cade, and 0 to clear because that's unnecessary. Getting at the very most 15 people into an IRC channel with 5 needles each when you have 70+ organized survivors should, and cannot be, any harder than simply "Asking them to get on IRC".

However, I (and basically everyone else who's watching from next door, waiting to kill off the wounded) have absolutely zero confidence that the assembled leadership of the current Pro-Survivor groups can achieve such a thing. They have never proven themselves in sieges, show absolutely no interest in strategy, tactics, or playing intelligently. With the possible (and currently very disappointing) exception of the The Fortress, there is not one group involved in this whom I would trust to keep a piece of candy out of the grasp of a newborn, much less Blackmore free of zombies.

This "Oh, we only meant to hold until the 5th, now we have won" is highly entertaining, even if it began as tongue-in-cheek. It's such a blatant attempt to save face by moving the goal-posts that I feel genuinely sorry for the people who came to Blackmore with the expectation of a prolonged Siege, and are prepared to die in the Meatshield for it. This is compounded by the fact that almost every single survivor leader involved in this can now be found in the buildings outside Blackmore, apparently under the impression that they came to Ridleybank to avoid dying.

Of course, this behavior isn't surprising, coming from the brilliant minds of those who "planned" this event a month in advance but never thought to suggest an all Needle-FAK-Generator inventory to their horde of followers. Had they done so, with say 20ish needles, mostly FAKs, and a generator each+fuel, they would almost certainly have held Blackmore from the RRF. For how long? Well, I can't really say, but they would have repelled with ease the incursion which has kept Blackmore with its door wide open since the 4rth, and would have continued repelling incursions of up to around 50, as the RRF has been unable to eat everyone inside with those numbers.

In short, this has been one of the most miserably executed assaults on Blackmore to date, particularly given the scale and diversity of participation. It's obvious that no thought was put into taking the building beyond bumrushing it, without any alteration to the survivors' inventories. I hope you all die screaming to the zombies and painfully to my colleagues. You, your ignorance, and your apparently limitless incompetence have earned it.

Thank you for reading this edition of a DT Textwall, and Praise Knowledge. --DT^PK 20:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Roughly speaking, it costs 19AP to search for a needle, use it, and dump the body, and that's assuming you're in a perma-lit NT. It costs about 2.5x that amount to search for ammo, load your firearm, and kill a zombies over the long-term. The costs for a zombie to recover from CRing or getting headshot are roughly equal (unless they have to travel far to jump). That said, since every zombie you clear will need to break through the cades and step inside again, CRing's ability to clear 2.5x as many zombies with the same AP means that it's significantly more efficient. I.e. While the cost to each zombie is similar, you can simply clear more zombies, which costs their side more AP overall. And since barricades are a survivor's greatest weapon, pushing more zombies outside is always the best option for maintaining a successful siege. Of course, failing to maintain the 'cades will neutralize that advantage, though the quickest way to recover it is to clear all the zombies, and the best way to do that is still to use CRing since it clears zombies faster. —Aichon— 20:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You've missed my point, The scenario I was trying to calculate was In a building where cade blocking meant that barricading was impossible how efficient would the survivors have to be at reviving themselves in order to make sure the building could never be ruined. --Ross Less Ness ^{Enter Stranger...} 21:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)