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| I wondered what the W link in britz so I clicked it. Good initiative. sign me up.--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 22:11, 12 Feb 2006 (GMT)
| | :''For discussions from 2009 and earlier, see the [[Project Welcome/Archive|Project Welcome archive]].'' |
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| You mean it's a ''bad'' thing to torment new guys? Dammit! --[[User:TheTeeHeeMonster|TheTeeHeeMonster]] 01:39, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| :Well, yeah. We could be antagonising someone who otherwise might be a brilliant wiki user! And we certainly want as many of them as we can! -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] <sup> [[User talk:Odd Starter|talk]] | [[Moderation|Mod]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 08:05, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| ::But what about the blatantly stupid ones who post the most over-done suggestions (sniper rifles, etc.) or spam on purpose? --[[User:TheTeeHeeMonster|TheTeeHeeMonster]] 15:06, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| :::And how do you know they're doing it on purpose? It's far better to politely point out why their suggestion isn't acceptable than to flame the living daylights out of the guy. I know my first suggestions weren't well-accepted (back in the day when Katthew was calling the shots), and I put some great thought into much of it. The first two suggestions on the current format were both mine, and both were pretty pathetic. If it's just ignorance, and not malice, we have a duty to educate, not attack. -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] <sup> [[User talk:Odd Starter|talk]] | [[Moderation|Mod]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 22:25, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| :::: not impale and scavaging?--[[User:Vista|Vista]] 23:16, 13 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| ::::: Correct! Now you're getting the hang of it! :) -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] <sup> [[User talk:Odd Starter|talk]] | [[Moderation|Mod]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 01:30, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| ::::::I'm real happy I found this page. I was just thinking we needed a similar group/policy/project on the suggestion pages. I'll try to help, though I still feel the desire to "flame the living daylight" out of some of them, sometimes. Guess I'll have to be careful. --[[User:McArrowni|McArrowni]] 04:01, 15 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| :I'm in. Anything to help the influx of new players.--[[User:Andrew McM|Andrew McM]] 14:36, 16 Feb 2006 (GMT)
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| Great idea! It's nice to see someone organized a "good cop" group to balance the [[WCDZ]]'s "bad cop" approach. I do feel both are needed, as some people don't take hints well and at times deserve flaming - but it is really wonderful to see an organized effort to welcome new Wiki users. I'll hop aboard if there are no objections (since I will not relinquish my [[WCDZ]] membership, but I do enjoy helping with kindness more than with scorching). --[[User:Blahblahblah|Blahblahblah]] 20:08, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
| | I made [[User:Alexander_Dawkins/WelcomeTemplate|a template]] which (I think) is more concise and less patronising than the existing one. I'd very much appreciate people's input. --{{:User:Alexander Dawkins/Sig}} 20:13, 27 July 2010 (BST) |
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| :You're more than welcome to join up, whenever you wish. -- [[User:Odd Starter|Odd Starter]] <sup> [[User talk:Odd Starter|talk]] | [[Moderation|Mod]] | [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 23:32, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
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| I'm probably going to leave Project Welcome. Some new guys I just cannot stand. I gave them a chance, tried to help, but they just do worse and worse afterwards. So I'm going to reconsider wether or not I can live up to the expectations of project Welcome. --[[User:McArrowni|McArrowni]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 04:00, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
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| hi i think that your project is good so i join you it ok?--[[User:Kcold|Kcold]] 21:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
| | I'm [[User talk:Bob Moncrief#welcome|learning a lot]] from DDR and Aichon, including that Jorm did a study a while ago that the {{tl|Welcomenewbie}} template is actually harmful to new users. Is it ok if I add a message to this page stating as much? I was also thinking of possibly revamping the Project page entirely; would anyone object? |
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| Sounds like a good idea to me. I'm in. If that's ok. -- [[User:Krazy Monkey|Krazy Monkey]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 18:57, 2 June 2006 (BST)
| | Also, can I ([[Talk:Project Welcome#Inactives|as before]]) clear out Project members who haven't been active in, say, three months? That way new users won't be confused. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 01:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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| | :Clear out the inactives. And I think that revamping Welcome would be a good idea. Steering anyone away from using WN can't be a bad thing. It might encourage people to join up too. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 01:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
| Why dont you guys create a welcome message and place it on the talk page from recently created users ? Wikipedia does it. They use a template to ease the job. --[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
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| :I was looking at wikipedia and found the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Welcome template i was talking about]. Since my english isnt that great, i think am not the most suited to work on something like that. :( --[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]] <sup>[[User talk:Hagnat|talk]] • [[WCDZ|wcdz]]</sup> 19:37, 8 April 2006 (BST)
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| ::If you do the template, Hagnat, I'd be more than happy to do the English. The technical side of templates is most definitely not my forte. -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 15:44, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| :::Do we actually have any way of listing new users? Wikipedia has it as a part of their log system (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log]). I wonder if the difference is because of mediawiki version (I belive UDWiki is running older branch) or is there some setting Kevan could tweak. Or is there some way of seeing new users? --[[User:Brizth|Brizth]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]] [[Moderation/Promotions#Brizth|M]] [[User_talk:Brizth|T]]</sup> 16:09, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| ::::To the best of my knowledge? No, we don't. But we can request that a big notice be made on the front page, something to the effect of "''New to the Urban Dead Wiki? [[Project_Welcome|Click here]] to find information on how to use the Wiki. [[Talk:Project_Welcome|Click here]] to find assistance from [[Project_Welcome|Project Welcome]].''" -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 16:15, 25 April 2006 (BST) | |
| :::::By the way: the first 'click here' would have to be a link to a crash course on wiki-editing from the Help section, I think. -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 16:17, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| Ok, I think we need to revamp this template. It is a tad too long for a new person to be bothered reading it (And I know because I didn't for quite a while, and so did some others) so it needs to be made a little smaller methinks. Also, I am sick of newbies posting half-baked suggestions on the suggestions page before reading anything or even putting it up on the talk page, where it generally belongs. So, what do you guys think? I'm willing to make some drafts for a new template. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 23:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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| (Brought on by a discussion on the Vandal banning page and talk page) Not a member, but i actually agree with whats said by Dux Duxis above. Its too fucking huge for people to bother reading, and it reeks of mass produced tripe. Im willing to create a page to teach people how to edit the wiki, how to use the systems we have in place, and how to fiddle with various doohickies we have created, and the welcomenewbie template could then be amended to just be a genuine welcome text and a link to the guide, with a few lines explaining what the guide contains. If it is short, people will read, and as a page in its own right it will have a table of contents which can be used for much easier information referencing. You can cover a lot more ground and go into far more detail there than in a simple welcome template. Hell, id be willing to stick up a notification on the front page of the wiki like teh first day in malton guide has for such a guide, so its easy to reference, even after the template has been removed, and it can go from something just to teach newbies to something that can be used as a reference for more advanced wiki users as well. Surely something as useful as this is worth considering. Ill start to write something up in my userspace tomorrow after ive dealt with the arb case im involved in. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 15:19, 16 October 2007 (BST)
| | I know I'm pretty new to the wiki, but I always love to help newbies on whatever site I play on, and plan to be active here for a while. I've played Urban Dead for a bit a while ago, but mostly just stalked the Wiki for a longer time, because I'm weird like that. I do know enough about Wiki editing and the game to answer newbie questions, and would love to help you guys out! |
| :Not wanting to spoil your well intentioned efforts here, but won't it be more usefull to made the template shorter (maybe just saying how to sign properly) and direct them towards the more complete [[Help:Contents]] page? It's not as if that page was written in ancient arabic... --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 16:05, 16 October 2007 (BST) EDIT: I mean, something like Jedaz's version below. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 16:07, 16 October 2007 (BST) | | [[User:Quinnr|'''<font color="chocolate" size="2px"><sup>^</sup></font><font color="green" size="2px">Qui</font><font color="chocolate" size="2px">nnr</font><font color="green" size="2px"><sup>^</sup></font>''']] 23:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC) |
| ::Yes, thats a very good page, but very hidden as well (I had never seen it before). Unfortunately, the page does not contain guides on how to use suggestions, the danger reports, or other systems we have in place. As such i dont think it is sufficient. A new page does need to be created. --[[User:Grim_s|The Grimch]] <sup>[[Project UnWelcome|U!]] [[Project Evil|E!]] [[We are Trolls!|WAT!]]</sup> 23:47, 16 October 2007 (BST)
| | :Awesome! Project Welcome is still pretty informal, and we've yet to have a request for help via this page in the recent era, but it's good to have you aboard! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 03:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC) |
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| ==New template== | | == Welcoming == |
| With the new smalltemplate rave that's going around the wiki, I decided to create [[Template:Smallwelcome]], for those wanting to use lots and lots of small boxes. --[[User:Brizth|Brizth]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 21:49, 9 April 2006 (BST)
| | Hello there,UD fans! |
| {{Smallwelcome}} | | New to the wiki and before joining Iţve been reading all that I could get my hands on regarding Urbandead on the ... on this wonderful useful wiki. |
| | Glad I had the guts to finally join up. |
| | Do have a concern and would like if someone could guide me step by step in Updating Danger levels for buildings, |
| | Have numerous data at this point regarding buildings listed as safe which in fact are NOT and would love to have a correct accurate input. Iţve also tried everything that I thought itţd be possible to update the danger levels of buildingsşclearlz,I could use some help here. |
| | Thank you and be seeing you! |
| | --[[User:Concerned'Citizen|Concerned'Citizen]] 00:11, 3 June 2013 (BST) |
| | :I replied to this on your talk page. Thanks! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 01:04, 3 June 2013 (BST) |
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| I smalled [[Template:Projectwelcome2]] into [[Template:Smallwelcome2]].
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| Credit for the original goes to [[User:Odd_Starter|Odd Starter]].
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| -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 14:05, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| ==Another new template==
| | Hello helpers ! Maybe it's not the right place..my question is about the updates of danger report buildings . I'm beginning to have a really use of it. As a reader and as an updater. But i'm not sure of my writings (not about the "reality of the reports") but about how to update properly, mostly the comments and how to sign. If someone can take a look on my lasts updates regarding Darvall heights and tell me what i should improve. Or eventually tell me to stop the massacre !^^ Thank's . "[[User:CerVolant|CerVolant]] ([[User talk:CerVolant|talk]]) 15:35, 5 October 2015 (UTC)" |
| Alright, thanks to [[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] I made a template that will fit in with project welcome.[[User:Andrew McM|Andrew McM]] <sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 18:41, 25 April 2006 (BST)
| | :You're doing great work! I edited your [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/Caiger_Mall&diff=prev&oldid=2261363 Caiger Mall] and [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:DangerReport/The_Latrobe_Building&diff=prev&oldid=2261364 Latrobe Building] ones. Look at the changes I made, and you should be able to see how to make these edits in the future. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:35, 5 October 2015 (UTC) |
| | | :I also replied on your talk page with a more detailed explanation. Cheers! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 18:29, 5 October 2015 (UTC) |
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| | :Good work CerVolant, good luck and thank you for helping out with the updating of the wiki. {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 22:57, 5 October 2015 (UTC) |
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| -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 16:18, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| *I bloody-well love you. -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 13:57, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| **'LOL' -- [[User:Andrew McM|Andrew McM]] <sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 14:04, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| *** *gives cookies* -[[User:Wyndallin|Wyndal]] <sup><font size=-1>([[User_talk:Wyndallin|talk]])-([[Project Welcome|W!]])-([[Sacred Ground Policy|SGP]])</font></sup> 18:52, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| -- [[User:Andrew McM|Andrew McM]] <sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 18:56, 25 April 2006 (BST)
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| <_< Hey. Let's not steal cookies. That's my job. >_> (I didn't really see the need to flagbox that Wyndal, just FYI) [[User:BuncyTheFrog|BuncyTheFrog]] <sup>[[User Talk:BuncyTheFrog|Talk]] [[GBP]]</sup> 05:16, 27 April 2006 (BST)
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| Why not? It gets the message across. But then, I'm not exatly sure what the differnce is either.--[[User:Labine50|Labine50]] <sup>'''[[Project Pickle|P!]]'''|[[Malton Hospitals Group|MHG]]</sup> 04:38, 18 May 2006 (BST)
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| :Not realy. Project Welcome is mainly about helping newer members out. My template is more to stop idiots voting with 'rofl great idea:)' -- [[User:Andrew McM|Andrew McM]] <sup> [[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> 14:17, 18 May 2006 (BST)
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| I understand now how to archive an entire page, but is there a way of archiving just a page section instead of the whole page? Just a link to any instructions would be fine, I have looked, but can't find it. -[[User:Dog Deever|Dog Deever]] <sup>[[User_talk:Dog Deever|T]]•[[Necronauts|Nec]]</sup> 15:50, 26 August 2006 (BST)
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| :You know how when you archive a page, you just copy and paste the page onto an archive page, then delete the original text? Do the same thing, but don't copy as much. {{User:BobHammero/Sig}} 18:34, 26 August 2006 (BST)
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| ''Moved from [[User talk:Kevan|Kevan's talk page]]'' -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 12:04, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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| I saw that [[User_talk:Kevan#Other_minor_stuff|you have been asked]] if newbies could automatically be greeted with some kind of instructing message before they start editing. A long time ago, I proposed [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]] as a candidate where said greeting could be placed for every newbie to see, but as it is a quite important page the wiki doesn't let me edit it, and maybe not even Sysops can. Maybe with the page in mind you can figure out something to adress Boxy's request? --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 06:57, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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| :You little beauty, that's what I was looking for. Found [[Special:Allmessages|system messages]] a few days ago, and was looking through it for just that page (just didn't get to it, and got distracted elsewhere and didn't get back to it). Now we've just got to decide if we want a welcome message for newbies. In looking around for ways to do this, I came upon a few discussions where people arn't all that impressed with having automated messages sent to newbies (not personal enough). Anyway, it should be discussed... where's the best place for that, I don't think it's worth a policy discussion itself, at this stage at least -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:01, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::If you ask me, that's a "only show once" page, so the message should be really brief. An extremely shortened version of the eye catching {{tl|Welcomenewbie}} template, resuming how to sign properly and maybe other really basic stuff should be enough, with a link to the more complete template and the [[Help:Contents|Help]]. If you want the whole {{tl|Welcomenewbie}} template to be shown, a bot including it on every newbie's talk page should work better, as it's too long to be shown only once with any grade of effectivity. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 09:35, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::After consideration, I don't know if putting the welcomnewbie template on every newbie talk page (or sign up advice page) is wise. It's rather large. Perhaps a smaller template with links to a welcome page, with links to advice about common newbie mistakes -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 12:04, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::::Sounds good. Definitely the new template should have far fewer rules on it, if any. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 14:00, 14 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::::I agree, but don't =P. Change the welcomenewbie template so it becomes the new, briefer template you want it to be, and make another page with greater insight about the wiki, so everyone that already has the template in his page doesn't get stuck with the long version because they missed the change. I'm actually acting like a bot now, adding the welcomenewbie template in every newbie's talk page, but with a compromise of taking care of any request for help that comes from my actions.
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| ::::Just as a reminder, the idea of shortening the welcomenewbie template isn't new, but it's purpose has always remained the same: giving newbies their first briefing of the rules and standard rules when editting the wiki. By making it appear in every newbie's talk page we "achieve" that goal, but the sheer lenght of the template itself can make some just ignore it because of lazyness of their part. Shortening always is a good option to make it more likely to be read, but the little probabilities that a newbie will actually hit the link that points to more help is slim, if not unexistant. That's why, while we try to keep it short and eye catching, we still have a quite long version with most of the rules and advice we could fit there. Balance, my friends. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 04:56, 15 May 2007 (BST)
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| : Welcome to the wiki {{PAGENAME}} ! This is a semi-automated message with information useful to new editors such as yourself.
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| *Editors mustn't delete anyone else's comments; <reason goes here>. The main exception is if the comment is on their own user_talk page (for you, that's this page).
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| *There's plenty more information about editing the wiki over at [[Help]], including a quickstart for new editors.
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| I've cut out all but the most important stuff, and tried to make it a bit less threatening than the current welcomenewbie template. Is there any other information that's critical for new users?--[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 11:52, 15 May 2007 (BST)
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| Nice template. It has the most important stuff in it. --[[User:JudeMaverick|JudeMaverick]] 13:39, 15 May 2007 (BST)
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| :I'll rather stay out of this until you guys come up with a template you want to use, as I can't help to feel like you're butchering the template (heh). Just be sure to have a good consensus before changing the template =). --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 19:16, 15 May 2007 (BST)
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| That template is okay, but since it's a prototype, it's jacked. The reason for not editing other people's comments (don't put words in other people's mouths!) isn't...uh, there, and "...is on their own user_talk page ''(for you, that's this page).''" is messed up. Other then that, I think such a auto-template is a good idea and this one is almost lovely enough...--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 04:58, 17 May 2007 (BST)
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| :I think this is pretty good. I like the idea about having a shortened version. Should we link it to the bigger version perhaps, with both templates linking to the help section? I'd like to clean up the help section and make the different areas in the help: space more clear and organised instead of a bunch of links in a box at the bottom of the page. Actually, I'm a little confused about the template itself. Will the little one flash up once, then get replaced by the bigger one, or will it come up once and go away, or stay there like the current one? Damn, I'm starting to really confuse myself! --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 12:07, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| :You might want to mention [[Project Welcome]] in the template so new users can ask questions right away off the bat. If you make it clear enough, more people will use it. I find a lot of new users don't come across the project welcome page after quite a while. Actually, why not just put more links in the template itself? That was the direction we were moving in the discussion located [[User:Dux_Ducis/Projects#Template Discussion, Notes and Alterations|here]]. And if we clean up the help area, I think it would all work really well. I think the template should somehow reflect a similar structure to the help pages, like a smaller mirror. That way newbs know where they are going when they follow a link to the relevant area. Hmmm, I have a heap of idea buzzing around in my head. Unfortunately it's pretty late, so they are all just spewing out at once all over the place... hence the double post.
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| :Plus remember that many users sign up on the wiki so they can make suggestions. I think there should be something about that mentioned there as well, with a reminder to understand basic editing first before suggesting willy-nilly. Hmmmmmm..... --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 12:22, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| I've expanded a little on toejams welcome template, mainly adding a bit of advice about errors that newbies commonly make -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 15:06, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| *Please respect other peoples group and user pages. Editing them without permission may be viewed as [[A/VB|vandalism]]. If you wish to contact others, please use the discussion (talk) pages attached to them.
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| *Users shouldn't edit anyone else's comments, to do so is considered impersonation, or delete them. The main exception is if the comment is on their own user talk page, they may be deleted in good faith (your talk page is [[User talk:{{PAGENAME}}|here]]).
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| Maybe an extended version of the help link, with links to pages explaining a few more aspects of the wiki? Perhaps a table down the bottom with single work links? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 15:06, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| :You can't use that code that says "your blah blah is here" since this won't be on their talk page...it'll be on the special page they see! So no <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> template! Anyway, a little table with links would be an excellent idea.--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 15:13, 18 May 2007 (BST) | |
| ::Oh, good point. Bugger... how to tell them where to find their userpage without being long winded about it? :( -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 15:19, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::Duh, that's what I was saying way up there! Anyway, maybe Kevan can use some special code (like what's in the top left corner) to make an insta-link to their user page...--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 15:27, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::::Yes, I have a feeling that it all should be written in a different code than we use here... but it's too late for me to digest, ATM... [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:System_messages System messages help]. Can see myself stuffing this up if I'm not careful -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 15:35, 18 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::::Not to sound like a dick, but did nobody take notice with what I posted above? I have a few questions I'd like answered as well. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 03:00, 19 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::::::The guys here want to place a simplified Welcomenewbie template in [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Welcomecreation http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]. That page is basically a system message that appears ONCE and only ONCE, when you create a new account. Obviously then, it won't be saved in anyone's talk page or anything, neither will it be "replaced" by the current one after the user creates his account.
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| ::::::That said, the "only once" factor is why people wants this as resumed and attractive to read as possible. If we add info about the suggestions page, the community pages, etc, then people will just go over it as the usual charlatanery and then never see it again. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 03:37, 19 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::::::Wow, I got grouped as "The guys here"! Yessss! Anyway, Dux, you were ignored because you were ignorant. Or because we are such slimy bastards that we didn't bother to tell you what was going on. Luckily, the same slimy bastards that ignored your valid questions and blew you off have nothing to do with answering newbies' questions...wait...Moving along, does anyone feel fired up enough to look at boxy's link?--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 03:51, 19 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::::::::Thank you Matthew, that is all I needed to hear. Lach, I've been a bit ignorant because I've been swamped with study and assignments recently, and would have participated with the discussion earlier if I could. Which Media Wiki version are we running here on UD? --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 03:57, 19 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::::::::As usual, I am misunderstood. Woe is me. I...was...joking. So go study some more! ;) Oh, and the MediaWiki version? I think it's 1.9.3--{{User:Lachryma/sig}} 04:01, 19 May 2007 (BST)
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| :(To Boxy) If you replace <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> with $1 then it should work as you want it. - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jedaz|ΣT]] [[Mod_Conspiracy|MC]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://da-jedas.deviantart.com/ ΞD] [http://www.chasingtortoise.com/ CT] [[Signature_Race|SR]]: <span style="color: #60F">07:04,</span> <span style="color: #90B">22</span> <span style="color: #B06">May</span> <span style="color: #F03">2007</span> <span style="color: #F00">(GMT)</span></span></sup>
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| ::Only on that special welcom page? Do you know if all the other wiki coding work? -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 09:52, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::Yep, only on that special page. Basicaly it replaces the text $1 with a variable passed through in the code. Once it's done that it will parse the text. So all of the wiki code will work. So the template should be as follows.
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| : Welcome to the wiki {{PAGENAME}} ! This is a semi-automated message with information useful to new editors such as yourself.
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| :::I'm 99% sure that it will work as expected. I can give it a shot on the SW wiki to make sure first if you want. (I'm, sure Mo won't mind) - [[User:Jedaz|Jedaz]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jedaz|ΣT]] [[Mod_Conspiracy|MC]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://da-jedas.deviantart.com/ ΞD] [http://www.chasingtortoise.com/ CT] [[Signature_Race|SR]]: <span style="color: #60F">09:37,</span> <span style="color: #90B">22</span> <span style="color: #B06">May</span> <span style="color: #F03">2007</span> <span style="color: #F00">(GMT)</span></span></sup>
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| Well, I [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation|created it]]... hopefully it works properly. I guess we'll find out if it's a stuff up, when heaps of newbies start creating their userpages in even stranger places than they normally do >:) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:19, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| :Hmm... Strange places... Can't wait to see an userpage on [[Project Welcome]] soon! It is very summarized. Good job, boxy. --[[User:JudeMaverick|JudeMaverick]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> <sup>'''[[TJ|TJ!]]'''</sup> <sup>[[User Talk:JudeMaverick|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Sleep|Zzz...]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 11:21, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::Well it was a true community effort, I just did the biz ;) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:23, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::Just want to be a popular user, eh? --[[User:JudeMaverick|JudeMaverick]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> <sup>'''[[TJ|TJ!]]'''</sup> <sup>[[User Talk:JudeMaverick|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Sleep|Zzz...]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 11:25, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::::Want more help next time, that's what I want :P -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:41, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| :Is there anything else that needs to be included? Perhaps a link to a page where they can ask wiki related questions where they will be answered quickly? (We should have one that everyone on [[Project Welcome|the welcoming committee]] has on their watchlist) -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:23, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::That can be a subpage of the [[Project Welcome]] or the Wiki Questions... --[[User:JudeMaverick|JudeMaverick]] <sup>[[Project Welcome|W!]]</sup> <sup>'''[[TJ|TJ!]]'''</sup> <sup>[[User Talk:JudeMaverick|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Sleep|Zzz...]]</sup> <sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|P!]]</sup> 11:25, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| :::Yeah, [[Wiki Questions]] looks like the go -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[User:Boxy/Locations|L]] [[Zombie Squad|ZS]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts2U]] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:41, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| Really great job guys. I thank all who were a part of this. Especially the ones who dug through tedious code to get it to work... --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 12:05, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| :Oh, please, don't flatter me, I know I did all the job XD </sarcasm>. About if there's something missing, a lot of people enters the wiki just to ask questions about the game. To point them towards the [[FAQ]] would be a nice addition.
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| :Minor complaint: IE sucks, Internet access at corner stores suck, I want my mozilla powered PC!! ''*cries*''--{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 15:35, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| ::Yeah my college uses IE6 still, and all webpages look totally fucked. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 23:46, 22 May 2007 (BST)
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| I know that there have been a few complaints about this, one of them mine. Some people don't like it when other people assume that because they don't have anything on their user page or they didn't feel like making a user page that they don't know better or would be happy with a page they don't want and can't delete(and if they do odds are that it will just get readded the same way.). Check they contributions, see what they have done before posting the template, it's not a hard thing to do and the template isn't always welcome or taken kindly.--[[User:Karek|karek]] 16:59, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| :Indeed. That's my major issue with it, too. It comes off as terribly condescending to people who have been around on the wiki for a while when some tard who doesn't know anything about them - and hasn't bothered to check - treats them as if they've only just arrived. --[[User:Cyberbob240|Cyberbob]] <sup>[[DORIS]] [[CGR]] [[Project UnWelcome|U!]]</sup> 17:04, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::just to make it clear. I never felt so ashamed os suggesting something like this in the past. Damn, this template sux. --{{User:Hagnat/sig}} 21:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::I have apologized toward users that didn't like the template, while explaining that automatically feeling insulted because a template that supposes you a newbie (not a noob) is placed on your talk page is immature. Your points have been considered in the past and it's far more helpful to place the template on 9 newbie's talk pages and a not-so-new user's than leaving that only user happy with his unexistant talk page (and, really, who would cry because he/she has a talk page?) and the other 9 editing without any hint. I really would like you to focus your efforts at embettering the template, or even better, place it yourselves so you know I'm not benefiting of having my sig at the end of it, and '''you will be saving me a lot of work'''. I don't check contributions (unless I suspect the user is a vandal) and I don't think I will be checking in the near future as I have a tight agenda (I work, I study, I take care of my grandma since she's alone around two months ago), and as far as I know no user has claimed to check contributions while placing the template in a constant pace.
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| :::Now, please put yourselves in my shoes: Three users that have showed constant dislike against me (even to the point of commiting vandalism) are requesting a template that was mainly my idea to be underused. By giving you a proper answer I'm doing you more than a favor guys. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 22:58, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::::Honestly I couldn't care less about people not liking you. Stop whining about doing the job, you don't have to. And none of what you said excuses not doing it the right way. Do it right or don't do it at all, and you're refusing to check if you are doing it right while creating a page for a user in a method that will lead to the page getting created again if they delete it(I do believe you said you do it based on who doesn't have a user/user_talk page.) You're volunteering your time, you don't need to do it and if you're doing it wrong you shouldn't be doing it. '''Do it right or not at all''' And that would be my views on your excuses.--[[User:Karek|karek]] 23:04, 10 July 2007 (BST) | |
| :::::Karek, our views of what is rightly done and not differ. That's all I need to say. --{{User:Matthewfarenheit/Signature}} 23:10, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::::Actually your reasoning isn't entirely correct. It's placed on never before edited talk pages. Removing the template does not revert the talk page to a red link. So no, it will not lead to the page getting created again and again. The users get this template only once.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid MediumSeaGreen">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black"> Vista </span>''']][[Signature_Race|<span style="background-color: MediumSeaGreen; color: Ivory "> +1 </span>]]</span></small> 23:19, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::::But that said, I have begone checking the edits and altered the message slightly if they were indeed experienced editors to adress you concerns. perhaps it's worth considering for matthew as well.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid MediumSeaGreen">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black"> Vista </span>''']][[Signature_Race|<span style="background-color: MediumSeaGreen; color: Ivory "> +1 </span>]]</span></small> 23:46, 10 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::::::I know that Vista, I meant requesting it be deleted or having it deleted as it should be for being wiped by the user, which I'm pretty sure ''is'' a speedy delete criteria. If they don't want to have the page they shouldn't be forced to.--[[User:Karek|karek]] 00:00, 11 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::::::Perhaps surprising but very few people have asked their talk pages to be wiped. Not one in fact. And no, wiping your own talk page does not result in an automatic request for speedy delete, It's different from a content page in that. And requiring the people welcoming users to ask them if we may use their talk page is somewhat counterproductive as the question would necessarily use talk page. So yes, people are forced to have talk pages, they have no say in that matter at all. However, nobody is forced to have this template on their talk page. Everybody may remove it. this is mentioned on the template itself as well. And at the moment the amount of positive feedback is several times larger then the negative feedback as of yet.--<small><span style="border: 1px solid MediumSeaGreen">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black"> Vista </span>''']][[Signature_Race|<span style="background-color: MediumSeaGreen; color: Ivory "> +1 </span>]]</span></small> 00:10, 11 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::::::: I'm just saying they should be sure the right people are getting the template and not people who don't want the template or anything on there. Not forcing them to ask permission but to check if the person is actually new. If they are too lazy to check if the person is actually new they shouldn't be adding the templates in the first place.--[[User:Karek|karek]] 00:14, 11 July 2007 (BST)
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| It really doesn't take significant effort to check the date of the user's oldest contribution, and see that it is, for example, one year, seven months, seven days, twenty-one hours, and forty-three minutes ago. That's all we're asking. Hell, most of them time, I'm betting you don't even have to check the oldest. You can just scroll a ways down the first page of contributions. -[[User:Ornithopter|Ornithopter]] 20:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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| Well, a friend of mine asked me to create them a user page as they knew little wiki code, nor html. So I thought, while I do this, why not do it in a manner that can be used by many. So I came up with this little page: [[Template:LogansUserPage]] Let me know if you think this would be a good addition to the welcome message or if there would be some needed changes first? {{Logan Ash Sig|Date=11:29, 22 July 2007 (BST)}}
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| :My first thought is, "don't confuse the newbies". They don't need templated user pages until they get more familiar with the wiki -- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] <sup>[[User_talk:boxy|T]] [[Location Nuts|Nuts]] [http://iwitness.urbandead.info/locationBlock/location.php block it!] [[Dead Animals/Redux|DA]]</sup> 11:33, 22 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::I tried to make is simple. It's a lot of just filling in the blank to get the desired effect. {{User:Logan Ash/Sig}} 11:47, 22 July 2007 (BST)
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| :::There already is a mega user page template somewhere on the wiki. Can't remember where, you'll find it if you look long enough in the template category. More comprehensive than yours, as well I have to admit. --{{User:Dux Ducis/sig}} 11:59, 22 July 2007 (BST)
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| ::I tried to look around a bit in the template sections and stuff. Couldn't spot anything. Also, this is just a basic one, as I only worked on if for a few hours. I do plan on adding more to it later. Thus the section about other links. I'll look about to see if I can hunt this other one down. {{User:Logan Ash/Sig}} 12:02, 22 July 2007 (BST)
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| [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome|This Fool]] and myself cooked up a subst version of the welcomenewbie template, signature and header included. It should work, but if you're having problems with it, please contact either myself or [[User: A Helpful Little Gnome| Target Zombie]]. --{{User:Axe27/Sig}} 16:25, 12 October 2007 (BST)
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| Might not be a bad idea to create a "New User Talk Page" and include it on the welcome template. We could sort of "cut them off at the pass". Invite them to talk there and ask questions; most of the major mistakes (not signing/dating/proper indenting) could be caught and corrected there. It could also provide an open discussion/question area. All project welcome members could add it their watch list and drop in to answer their questions. Perhaps it could be a "free for all" area where new users wouldn't have to worry about '''''"breaking the rules"'''''. You know, sort of take the pressure off and get down to brass tacks.--<span style= "border: 2px solid black">[[Signature_Race|<span style="color: white; background-color: darkred">'''A'''</span>]][[User:Airborne88|<span style= "color: white; background-color: black">'''irborne88'''</span>]]</span>[[Image:Zzz1.JPG|15px]]<sup>[[User_talk:Airborne88|<span style="color: darkred">'''T'''</span>]]|[[Zomcon|<span style="color: black">'''ZC'''</span>]]|[[Malton Inhumane Society|<span style="color: darkred">'''MI'''</span>]]|[[Project Evil|<span style="color: black">'''''E!'''''</span>]]</sup> 03:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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| :You're looking for [[Project Mentor]], it's a right at the fork for useful and useless projects, you took a left down spamcrap lane and ended up here. Backtrack and look for might-be-helpful avenue.--<small>[[User:Karek|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 06:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC) | |
| ==Hello,asking for help ==
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| Hello i am new with the wikipedia and urbandead wiki...this is the place to request for help?
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| I have my personal , group article but i want to learn more.--[[User:Alvaromesa|Alvaromesa]] 05:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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| :Sure thing! What are you interested in? I'm certainly not a guru, but I have learned a TON in my three months here. {{User:Extropymine/sig}} 05:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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| :I'll help too. Just post back here! {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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| Hello .wow! you are from necrowatch? thank for your job really help !
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| ok i am interested i learn and help other, can you teach me to edit my signature?--[[User:Alvaromesa|Alvaromesa]] 06:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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| :Sure! The step-by-step instructions are here: [[Help:Templated_Signatures]]. That ought to get you started, at least to get a siggy up and running. The other thing I found to be helpful was to look on the user pages of others who I thought had neat signatures, and looking at the code for them. I ripped code from at least three people for mine! {{User:Extropymine/sig}} 06:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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