UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Civil Conduct Policy

Retroactivity

The first thing I want to say is that this isn't an attempt to get Iscariot banned for his previous actions, even though he is the reason I brought this up. I don't think this should be retroactive. --_Vic D'Amato__Dead vs Blue_ 01:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Do we really need this? UDbullies aren't so bad. And not only that, but this case you referred to looks like it's going to get Vandalism anyway. See, the system is gold. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The reason I brought this up is the fact that the TOS isn't exactly clear on what's "offensive", and as of right now, there's no easy way to deal with people who exist on this wiki simply to harass people. Unless they're going about it in a way that does constitute vandalism, they're not going to go through A/VB, and the fact that there are so many Not Vandalism votes in the Iscariot case makes me wonder if lesser cases would even be punished by A/VB at all. Which is why we need something like this in place to cover these types of cases tht aren't clear-cut. --_Vic D'Amato__Dead vs Blue_ 04:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

There's also no easy way to deal with people who exist in this world simply to harass other people. Consider the wiki a training ground. When you get a job and have to deal with douchebags for 8+ hours a day for the rest of your life there won't be an option to institute a civility policy. Who would decide what's civil and what's not, anyway? Why not just eliminate the stupid fucking suggestions page? You should be able to use crucifixes as weapons? Really? You know what else would be sweet? Sniper rifles! Let me get a couple of those over here. How about a skateboard? Or an X-wing fighter? Nunchuks? --Paddy Dignam 04:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I think, as in REAL life, that tons of cursing and other applicable things should be frowned upon...

And no, I don't feel like signing.

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I would be very, very cautious about "hard and fast rules" for civility, because then you will have people doing specific actions that are hostile and offensive but not against the rules as written. In fact, many conduct cases against people like this end with them saying "you cannot point to the rule I broke, so this is baseless," while at the exact same time they will patiently look for any infraction of the written rules (even mistakes made in good faith) to bring cases against others. So be careful with rules, because the people you want to punish will just find the loopholes, then use the rules to force the admins to punish others. ~ extropymine ^{Talk | NW | 4Corners} 06:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Be careful about this

While I do believe that we should have something like this for many reasons, one being I know of a few people who have actually been driven away from the wiki due to the amount of offensive stuff on here, I don't know how exactly to define it. Some, and I am definitely not one of them, people may be offended by the amount of swearing that occurs here but I know no one would be happy if that got taken away. I think if this is to be wrote it should just cover basic things such as severe and blatant racism or sexism and other personal prejudices. I also think that we would need some different type of escalation for this thing to work out right, as someone who is about to be escalated from a week ban to a month ban may not necessarily deserve that from a breach of this policy.--SirArgo ^Talk 07:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

No

A civility policy would simply create armies of rules lawyers, getting people VB-ed for small things - such as saying something that might be uncivil. Likewise, since breaches of this policy would be open to interpretation, the bias of the sysops would come into account (creating heaps of drama, if recent events are to go by,) and their personal opinions (I, personally, didn't find Iscariot's comments offensive at all - but my lack of religious views could come into account.) Finally, it's hard to get other groups to "respect" each other - especially if they are at war in game - look at all the snide comments against the Mall Tour now, and the Umbies thing last month.

If we have to pass this, I would much rather Argo's one above - leave it to blatantly offensive comments (although I wouldn't really like that too,) and not overly open to interpretation. The thing here is that it limit's people's views - I, personally think that one should be civil while expressing them, but I'm not going to force that view on others (except in extreme cases.) Likewise, in a computer game with three well-defined sides', many (read:trenchies) won't respect their enemies. This would just lead to useless drama. Linkthewindow  Talk  08:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

My little peice

Maybe just a big NO to the racism thing, but then again how could you tell? Good point to bring it up thou. Vandalism will happen, I've done it and probably a lot of users have at some point, good disscusion aswell.--Athur birling 11:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)