UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration/Gage vs DarkStar2374383 (2)
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Gage vs. DarkStar2374383 (again)
Yes, again. His signature is not only hideously ugly, it also contains the words "Fuck Gage" now. I want the offensive words removed, a order for him to keep his signature within reason.
Arbitrators I will accept
Pick one, and let's get this over with as quickly as possible.--Gage 02:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Possible chance I can arbitrate? I promise to be unbiased. --Absolution 02:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Absolutely not.--Gage 02:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I have reviewed your list of people (as soon as I was done with what I had to do) And I choose to accept none of them. Propose someone else. --DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 04:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Me and Gage had a discussion over IRC about the possibility of me being able to arbitrate. He seemed to approve as long as I wasn't biased. If Gage will have me, I will accept a week ban for acting biased, if I do in this arbitration.--Absolution 04:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Lets get this over with then.--Gage 04:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- I accept Absolution.--DarkStar2374383 Talk | LDY | LOE 04:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Okay guys. Present your cases.--Absolution 04:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Gage's Case
My arguement from the previous case, stands so I will bring it in, almost verbatim. I do have one important addition, namely the "Fuck Gage" comment, which is extremely inflamatory.
We currently do not have any policy to govern signatures on the wiki. We have one in voting now that will fix that, but even under that policy, this one would be allowed. I have several problems with it.
- It is spammy as hell. I know it doesn't take up 2 lines of text like the last one, but it is certainly distracting. Try to read the actual content left by DarkStar, and you will find you eye jumping to his signature. To illustrate this, I will paste in something BobHammero made back in the day:
| DO NOT LOOK AT THIS BUNCH OF TEXT THAT IS BLINKING AND SHIT |
- I know this is a hyperbole, but it is an effective demonstration of how flamboyantly distracting his signature can be.
- It is ugly. Not enough reason to change it alone (see User:AnimeSucks/Sig) but it certainly doesn't help.
- It is extremely misleading. It would confuse many wiki users as to who actually placed the comment. Since it is almost impossible to read (unlike AnimeSucks') I think it needs to go.
- It is extremely offensive. DarkStar can say whatever the fuck he wants to about me on his userpage, but his signature could literally be on hundreds of pages. If I posted "Fuck Cyberbob" or "Fuck Xoid" on a hundred or so pages on the wiki, you can bet it would be vandalism. That is no different than what has happened here.
The signature is ugly as hell and distracting. More restriction needs to be placed on what DarkStar can and cannot do, because it is obvious he will always be trying to push the limit just to piss me and others off. Placing "Fuck Gage" on so many pages is tantamount to vandalism, and I don't think it would be unreasonable in this case for DarkStar to be warned for this blatant personal attack on me. I think at the very minimum is that he needs to be ruled to be civil to me on public pages, and I would be willing to do the same. I think that not allowing us to talk to each other at all would be too much, because I think we can be civil.
In short? Make it to where he can't blatantly go around the spirit of the policy by using a slight technicality. Recognize what he did as bad faith, (which is vandalism according to M/G) and put and end to this nonsense. I don't expect to be back here in M/A tommorow, but I will be if I have to.--Gage 04:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
DarkStar's Case
Okay, I think this is absolutely ridiculous, User:DarkStar2374383/Sig is a User page, And I should therefore be able to put whatever the hell I want on it. 1. No where in my signature does it say "Fuck Gage". This is a Fact. Notice the quotes, Its exactly what Gage said I have on my page. I don't, look at what it does say. "FUCKGAGE" Interesting. I do believe that is different, but your probably just thinking "Wtf is this guy on?" So i'm moving on.
2. Since it is a User: page, I think I should be allowed to have it. Is it my problem its on other pages? Nope. If he really wants he can you the nice "What Links here" command and remove my signature from those pages.
3. Where is there established precedent saying I cant say "FUCKGAGE" on my User page?
4. I don't give a shit about how he feels. I hate hypocrites (yes I hate myself) And he sat their laughing at thins I was doing in IRC, agreeing with me and Anime Sucks on like evreything we said, and then He comes here on the wiki and shows an entirely different attitude. so, In conclusion, I think there is No Reason Why I should change my Signature again (especially since it doesn't violate the last arbitration verdict.) --DarkStar2374383TalkLDYLOEFUCKGAGE 05:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Ruling
In response to what Gage said, Yes, the sig is spammy, but per Cyberbob's ruling, the sig will stay as is, unless Cyberbob wishes to change up on his ruling. I personally do not find the sig that distracting, but the possibility exists. I will agree with Gage on the readability of the sig. I don't mind it if it were a tad more readable than it is currently. AnimeSucks's sig is readable. Newbies and experienced readers alike may be confused by Dark's sig. The "Fuck Gage" part needs to go. Immediately. As Gage said, stating it on your own userpage would be okay, but stamping it in your sig is unacceptable.
Now, On DarkStar's case, he claims his sig is a userpage. Unfortunately, Gage wasn't exactly specific here, so I'm going to say that "Fuck gage" comments should be put in your user page, you know, the on that's "talk:DarkStar", etc. Not on your sig. Secondly, "FUCKGAGE" still counts as being a flame, so, I'm still going to have to ask you to get rid of that.
Unfortunately, the only clear ruling I can give is that the Fuck Gage comment in your sig is to be removed. Darkstar, could I have logs of when Gage supposedly agreed with such a sig? Otherwise, I will have to ask that you make it more readable. Until then, I suggest you two take a moment, breathe, and just stop talking to eachother for a few days. Let eachother cool off.
EDIT: I decide that 1. DarkStar uses a more readable sig, one that can be easily read and identified, 2. Darkstar WILL NOT use any kind of flame towards ANYONE in his sig, and 3. DarkStar and Gage refrain from interacting with eachother for a few days to cool off, except for if DarkStar flames Gage or vice versa.--Absolution 05:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
