User:Soldier/Talk Archive

Cutey Pie!

Soldier UDW is so cute! D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 07:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Janus Abernathy

Hey there Soldier. Happy to see you've got your group also in Borehamwood. I've got three characters there (2 surv and 1 zed). Hope to meet you in the new city. Cheers :] --Janus Abernathy 19:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

11/11/08: Man I'm in the suburb you told me. If you get killed just tell me your coordinates, 'kay (talk page or forum ==> register and send me a pm)? I'll revive you immediately. --Janus Abernathy 19:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

11/15/08: No, no no, I'm sorry. I meant to say the AZS forum. I just wanted to know if you regged there, because we have a new user (and we don't know him). Anyway, we'd be happy to have you on our forum if you get the time to register. Cheers --Janus Abernathy 14:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

AZS

It's me again. Would you like to make an alliance with the Anti-Zombie Squad? It feels kind of strange asking you this, since you were a member ;) What do you think? Cheers mate --Janus Abernathy 22:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me a great idea! Eric can't be online these days because of RL issues, but I agree to wait his approval. Cheers man, and thanks again. --Janus Abernathy 13:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Pranks

Your pranks page has been moved here -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:43 21 November 2008 (BST)

And again ^^ -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:19 22 November 2008 (BST)

Rico Montoya

11/22/08: I am interested in joining Z.E.M.A. If I could get info on how I could signup that would be great. Thank you.--Rico Montoya 16:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

11/26/08: Yes I would like to join and I have read your policies. With your permission I'd like to add Z.E.M.A as my group name and go zombie hunting for Z.E.M.A's cause.--Rico Montoya 14:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

ZEMA

You said you were trying to keep the page so you could have a shorter link to recruit in-game? If so there's always tinyurl which is what most groups use in that situation.--Karek^maps?! 02:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, if you need any help sorting out your pages, feel free to contact me on my talk page. All group related stuff should be kept in subpages, it seems you're mostly sorted but if you are confused about anything, drop by my crib.--xoxo 05:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

In future, please use Speedy Deletions

It appears (quite plainly) that you want this page deleted. In future please use Speedy Deletions if you want one of your own pages, or a group page, deleted. I've put it up there for you, for now, but please do it yourself in future.

Thanks. Linkthewindow  Talk  07:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

knowledge is half the battle

"knowledge is half the battle" would say a famous soldier. Well, it seems you are losing that half, and making a joke out of yourself.

a month ago you offered me a chance to join your group. I'm a known pk'er and zombie centric player, while you group fight both of 'em. This information is on my user page, and it's not hard to find it.

you complained about boxy moving your group's subpage to the proper location, saying you'd "prosecute" him if he didnt stop. a) you are the one at fault, placing your group subpages in the incorrect location b) its boxy job to move incorrectly placed pages in the right location. c) do not threaten someone who is active in a community longer than you learned to use the interwebs! you might as well paint a damn target on your back.

and finally, you just advertised your group in the News page, where only information about the game is shown. You should've posted your ad in Recruitment.

If you want to play as a 'soldier', you better learn the rules of the battlefield you intend to fight on. Or you'll make yourself an easy target for ridicule. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 22:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks like Hagnat beat me to it. I'll like to take a few moments to tell you what you are doing wrong, and hopefully give you a hand. Hey, as a member of Project Welcome, it's my job! There are a few things that you have been doing wrong. In no particular order:

Group pages ALWAYS go in a group subspace- that means that you post pages about you group in their subspace (yourgroup/whatever.) This keeps the wiki nice and tidy and means that names don't get used up. Imagine how many people would need a page such as Pker list! The same goes for group pages as well (User:Soldier/whatever.) Note that pages posted outside a group subspace are usually speedy deleted (very quickly!) If you have a long group page that needs shorting, use [www.tinyurl.com tinyurl].

The administrators are here to help you! - It seems that you got off to a bad start with the mods on the wiki, especially Boxy and Cheese. Remember that the admins are trusted wiki users, and they usually won't act in bad faith. Also try to act humbly towards other wiki users. It's not a rule, but it means that you don't case too much drama (drama=bad. It's still common, though.)

Act in good faith always - this is hard to explain, but it's a central rule of the wiki. It means giving fellow wiki users the benefit of the doubt, solving simple misunderstandings via talk-page discussion and mediation (in extreme cases, taking it to arbitration,) not just by edit warring.

Two final, minor things. Keep wiki disputes to the wiki. Adding someone onto your KOS list because they upset you on the wiki just makes you look stupid. Sorry, can't put it any softer. Also, try to see consensus before doing something.

If you need any help, post on my talk page, any Project Welcome member's page, or go to the Help section.

Good luck! Linkthewindow  Talk  07:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse

But I just wanted to make sure you saw this and this. See you around. --Pestolence^(talk) 03:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

And why do all the letter I's on your page have an apostrophe after them? --Pestolence^(talk) 03:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Janus Abernathy

12/10/08: Well.. I want to talk about.. pretty much everything.

Additional Notes: Okay man, here's the thing. I don't want to be rude or a moron, but.. I don't agree to all the policies, the rules etc. you're creating for the ZEMA and therefore for the AZS. Let's talk about the Psychopaths list. It's okay to have a pker/gker/griefer list; lots of people have it (we have it too), there's the whole Brainstock forum.. but you can't put (or even think of putting) Admins/Sysops/Mods on OUR (because everything you do for the ZEMA is valid for the SZES and the AZS) KOS list only because they're doing their job. Sometimes people insult; cool, let them do it. Don't mind them. Don't write policies against editing, because they are not valid here. The Wiki has its own rules and we all follow them (usually).

I won't (and don't want to) hunt down Iscariot or Sonny only because of what they're doing here, out of the game. I don't want to be in war with another group, especially for no reason (apart from them being pkers) and I want to protect my group from unnecessary "danger" and.. mess.

What I'm trying to say man, is that if you keep doing "noobish" things, you'll draw unwanted attention to yourself and to us. I'm not trying to create drama, okay? Please reply to my talk page (or here, as you wish). --Janus ^talk 16:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I had to fix the ZEMA Recruitment page or our ad was going to be removed again from the recruitment page.

--Janus ^talk 21:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Rock ON!

If you're going to put me on the Suspected Psychopath list for telling you not to put POV BS on suburb pages, you might as well go the whole hog and put me on the Confirmed list. I mean, I'm a member of the most awesome death culting group in the game. If that doesn't make me a psycho, I don't know what does.

And I could care less if you put me on your list, but I feel like it's my duty to tell you that you can't take every bit of constructive criticism as an attack and put mods on your KOS list for doing their jobs. I mean, if you did that, you might become the laughingstock of the wiki!

Oh, wait...

Srsly, listen to Janus up there, mate. He's giving you good advice.

(And by the way, it's called a spellchecker. Use it.)

Cheerio! --Pestolence^(talk) 23:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Those damn player killers. -- Your incredibly forceful swearing has cowed me into submission. And seriously, mate, you need to learn to tell the difference between the game and the wiki. Your pages being moved and your group breaking up isn't some nefarious plot of the evil PKers (although I can't say we're not happy to see it). Your noobishness is the sole reason that people hate you. Most people can keep themselves objective and separate from their characters; PKers aren't the kind of people who put cats in microwaves IRL. Once you learn to do this, you'll be well on your way to establishing a plus-50 IQ. --Pestolence^(talk) 23:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A Severance of Ties.

After the ruckus that some of your actions on the wiki had caused, the AZS was presented with a friendly warning by some mods and game leaders. The jist of the warning was that they were becoming angry with the way you were acting both in-game and on the wiki, and stated that they would consider ZEMA, both the AZS, SZES, and Rico, responisible for your actions, and take the appropriate counter-actions both in-game and on the wiki. After due and careful deliberation, our Glorious Leader, Eric Bessette, with counsel from Janus Abernathy, Forensic Hoffman, and myself, decided that a severance of ties was neccessary for the well-being of the AZS. As I put it, "One must cut of a gangreneous limb to save the body." Therefore I request that you delete all templates, links, and ect. that indicates the AZS as an ally. The AZS is no longer part of ZEMA, and we do not consider the SZES an ally anymore, aside from killing zombies and helping survivors. If you can learn to act responsibly and reasonably, we may consider ZEMA and an alliance again.

                                         Sincerely,
                                          --Luckydogpsycho 02:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello again Soldier

You might remember a while back I posted to inform you of certain things, I was trying to be helpful then, again I want to be helpful even though the current situation is none of my business. Oh, and sorry for not following the format that you like for your talk page, but really it is overcomplicated.

Anyhow, the situation at hand. Below, your friend Janus has tried to explain to you certain aspects that make your group, to be frank, a little silly. I'll try to go through this point by point.

• Psycho list: You are not the first group to have a list of enemies, nor will you be the last. In fact, having enemies is totally acceptable, without enemies the game would be boring. But it's your way of choosing enemies that is a problem. You are choosing them, often, because of out of game activities. This you should avoid. People you meet here on the wiki, although their actions might give you an indication of what their characters are like, are not your characters enemy. You have to learn to see the difference between in game and out of game, in character and out of character. For the most part, on the wiki, people are out of character. Simply because they have so many characters to represent that they can't play all the roles at once. So when you and someone get a bit unfriendly here, don't think of their characters as enemies, wait until their characters react to you in game (if you met my PKer he'd probably shoot, if you met my survivor he'd heal you). And also, don't declare a user your enemy, because there is no way they can be your enemy without their character being your enemy first. The point: Don't make more enemies than you actually have or need.

• Communication: You seem to utilize the wiki for communication, a while back it was suggested you get a forum. You can get one rather easily and it will make communication easier for your group. As of now, I see you clogging your group page by including links, maps and logs. Remember that your group page represents your group. You want it to look good, tidy, and you want to use it to get information across to people who are interested in your group. Many a group use their page more as an advertising spot/information area for others, than as a portal for their own group members. This is of course very much a personal choice of whether or not you want to have a forum (which will free up the space used for logs, links and maps), but I'd recommend it.

• Your understanding of group ties: Now here I have to ask you something, what exactly do you expect from this game? I've read your post to Janus, and quite frankly I think you've misunderstood something somewhere along the line. This is a game, you are meant to enjoy it. In fact, the whole reason I am posting this is because I want to help you to play the game and enjoy it more. You speak of people turning on you, betraying you, and not trusting anyone. It's just not that way. Your group will not turn on you as long as you are nice and do what's best for it. You speak of that guy who left your group and began hunting you? Happened to my group too. We were (still are for that matter) the BMC, and one of our members didn't like our rules and ended up leaving and then hunting us down (he even got very hostile both in and out of game). But, one out of about 50 people who have come and gone through the BMC turned on us, that's not a high average. I hope you understand that people in general don't just turn on their former allies.

• Player killers: This ties to the above. What is it you think of them? I hope you understand that they are just another way of playing this game. They are not out to cause you grief, well some are, but in most cases they are just playing the game too. A person who is a player killer is not evil (I'm not entirely sure if that is what you think), most player killers have a survivor or zombie character (again just remember you're interacting with different characters), it's just another aspect of the game.

• A few facts: Saromu and Pestolence, are not system operators. Nor would they be allowed to delete your pages. People are not trying to turn others against you. If you are referring to Pestolence's comment about why Janus was on your side, it's because you've done a few things to make you seem to be a bad choice to be on the same side as. I'm referring to your psycho list and understanding of PKers.

Anyhow, that's all I can think of for now, I'm half tempted to delete this because it's really none of my business, and I might have misjudged you, and you might just not want to hear it. You can post to my talk page if you would like to respond, any format you like, just post at the bottom please. Best of luck to you. - User:Whitehouse 16:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Zombie Emergency Management Agency

Anything about the organization is must be written in this section in Triple Headline. If you did it wrong it will be corrected with no harm done to your work.

Janus

12/13/08: AZS and ZEMA.

Additional Notes: Soldier, what is exactly that you don't understand? I think that Pestolence and Lucky also made it quite clear.. Anyway, I'll try to recap.

Psychopaths list: useless; there aren't screenshots/proofs etc. and you put mods/admins (or just people who do their work on this wiki) there.

Policies: again, useless. The wiki already has its own and there's no reason why people should follow yours.

Threats: you "threaten" users because they're trying to help (in their own way) and put them in the Psychopath list. This takes us back to the first point.

Game and Wiki: it includes all the points listed above. UD is one thing. The Wiki is another. The AZS didn't leave the ZEMA because of evil pkers/psychopaths, but due to your own bad behavior. Also, I've got the weird feeling that you don't (want to) listen to anything I (and the others) say.

Sorry if I was too harsh.

--Janus ^talk 13:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Soldier, you're.. putting UD and the Wiki at the same "level" again. That Ryan guy went "insane" in-game. He is roleplaying in the game and so am I (even if in a pro-survivor way).

Each user has their own way to deal with another. Iscariot (who's a sysop) has, Saromu (who's NOT a sysop) has, Pestolence (who's not a sysop) has too.

And also: Like you leaving the alliance, that you just pull the trigger and something bad is going to happen to you, your group, my group, probably all of us. The AZS left the alliance to prevent something bad to happen.

--Janus ^talk 15:58, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Just to quickly interject, I am not a sysop, nor have I ever claimed to be. Given the current actions of the sysop team I would not even accept promotion if it was offered. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Ops, sorry about that. I was sure you were a sysop :) --Janus ^talk 17:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay.

-First thing: I'm not arguing with you. There's no reason why I should. You asked me the reasons why the AZS left your group. I wrote them.

-Second thing: Best to get used to everyone bad behavior whatever you like it or not, I do the same. You put the users with a "bad behavior" into your Psychopaths list.

-Third, and probably most important: And we both keep this up, someone could go insane me, you, or both. What. The. Hell. Honestly, Soldier. I don't usually insult or get this harsh, but.. what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Insane? Are you roleplaying right now? You're writing on a wiki, to a real person, OUT of the game. If you want to talk about Sanity, Insanity, mental disorders etc, then don't involve UD, the in-character part.

-Another point: You say Keep this in mind, I' am not aware of my behavior and you or anyone in your group have just caused more problems because of this. (and then Sometimes they aren't even aware of this and mentioning it to them will hurt them really bad or just pisses them off and they will hunt you down and put an end to you.)

I tried since the beginning of our alliance to tell you what was wrong. Read your talk page and the ZEMA logs again.

-How about you like it if Eric turned on you no matter what reason. I'm afraid to say that the reason would matter. I'm not against you; I left the ZEMA because of the reasons I listed above.

--Janus ^talk 17:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

-Don't argue with me, if you are born and living in the United Kingdom I have one thing that you don't. I will give you a hint, look on my User Page and there's a template that has a USA flag on it. Tell me what do you think. No. I'm italian, sorry about that. So, what do you have? The Second Amendment? Please. Give me a break..

-Don't get outsiders involved to this, someone even apologied for getting involved. I didn't get anyone involved into this apart from the AZS.

-Remember, don't mention anything about the AZS resignation of Z.E.M.A. for two weeks to anybody and I mean anybody and I will do the same. We all keep are cool, we can't go insane all of a sudden. So next time you contact me it must not be about the AZS leaving Z.E.M.A. until the next new moon which its on 12/27/08. Got it? No. I didn't get it. AZS, the Anti-zombie squad, are not part of the ZEMA anymore.

--Janus ^talk 18:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

This is what I mean, I said don't mention all of this in two weeks so lets put the past behind us. So don't say anything about what happened yesterday for two weeks, I have the American way of life do you? --Soldier UDW 18:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I have the American way of life do you? I don't and don't even understand what it's about.

I said that the AZS are not part of the ZEMA anymore. I'm not going to wait two weeks, or two months or two years.

Call me stubborn, but I've seen and read enough.

--Janus ^talk 18:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I said cool it, put the past behind us. And the american way of life means that I live in the United States of America, a superpower. No questions ask okay? And stop stockpiling shit about this, I' am an American and you are an Italian. We don't understand much about each other so thats why we keep arguing. So lets put this all behind us and get a grip. Got it?

--Soldier UDW 18:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Weird thing, because I happen to agree with all the AZS members, and they're American, English, German..

Goodbye Soldier. Don't expect a reply.

--Janus ^talk 18:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

One last time.

and for Pestolence and the PK everyone who does player killing or insulting will cost them their group, ther reputation, and everything else like friendship. Personally, I don't think that you and your group of 2 or 3 is going to do much against the Gore Corps (who are not PKers, they are death cultists, by the way). You can do nothing to hurt my reputation, at least not until you realize that the game is SEPARATE from the wiki. And I don't think we were ever going to be friends, so your threat of losing your friendship doesn't really make me shiver in my shoes.

Read Whitehouse's comment. He gets everything you need to do to get people to respect you. I want you to know that I don't hate you and I am not evil, I don't kill small animals, and I don't torture children. My in game character is completely different from the way I am on the wiki and in RL.

I'm not going to contact you again. You have everything you need to become a respected user in Whitehouse's comment, and it's your choice what to do with it. Good luck.

(I'm not a sysop by the way.) --Pestolence^(talk) 17:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I said I wouldn't contact you again, but I couldn't resist lol'ing at this: And the american way of life means that I live in the United States of America, a superpower. No questions ask okay? And stop stockpiling shit about this, I' am an American and you are an Italian. We don't understand much about each other so thats why we keep arguing.

I am an American too, and it's people like you that justify the stereotype of Americans as bigoted, xenophobic, and uneducated. The fact that you live in a different country from Janus has nothing to do with the fact that you supposedly don't understand each other. Plenty of people get along just fine with people from other countries. --Pestolence^(talk) 19:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey pal!

You know what, scratch that about not contacting you again. You have been reported to A/VB for your removal of another editor's (namely, yours truly) comment on a page which isn't yours! Enjoy!

And exactly how did you crush me, by the way? --Pestolence^(talk) 19:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

It's Pestolence, with an e, not an a. And what job are you referring to? As has already been explained to you, I am not a sysop. --Pestolence^(talk) 19:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Report me for harassment? Where would one go to perform such a heinous act? Take it to Vandal Banning and they'll laugh in your face. There is no civility policy on this wiki, and you have committed an act of vandalism in your attempts to keep your potential recruits from seeing your inadequacy. --Pestolence^(talk) 19:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

---

Before I'm banned from your talk page

Have you considered moving me to the confirmed psychopaths section yet? Hugs and kisses, --Pestolence^(talk) 20:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Your signature

In accordance with my reading of this policy, I am informing you in my capacity as a normal user of this wiki and a citizen of the community that I consider your signature to be in breach of the above policy.

Following the procedure in the policy I now give you a week to comply with the standards of the wiki or I will create a vandalism case over this issue. If the ruling Systems Operators agree with my interpretation of the policy you could receive an escalation under the wiki's vandal banning system.

Hugs, kisses, fluffy puppies and gleaming rainbows,

-- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)