User talk:Kwunlei

--Thadeous Oakley 21:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the infos, really appreciate. I'll do my best. Since I'm still in the learning stage, I'll keep the text above for a while. Kwunlei 04:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Yagoton Template Vandalism

I have reverted your changes on the Yagoton Barricade Plan template. This barricade plan have been created and enforced by The Abandoned since even before generalized barricade plans appeared in the Wiki. We like the way it is now and I frankly can't understand the reasoning behind your changes.

You are welcome to start a new discussion about possible changes that you would like to see implemented on the already existing plan by joining us on our forums or by using this discussion page. --

 •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]• 

06:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Please don't kneejerk your way into classifying his edits as 'vandalism', as that is the wrong term and will likely incite panic from Kwunlei. As far as I can tell there was no malice and he was just updating it without seeking clarification, and doing that ≠ vandalism. Thanks for contacting the user regarding the issue though, and seeking further communication. -- LEMON #1 08:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well... Maybe vandalism is a slightly too strong term to describe what happened here. However, the edit wasn't part of any standardized plan that I can think about nor did it have any kind of real logic behind it other than flagging what I see as random buildings with VSB status over the normal EHB. Since vandalism is simply by definition edits which are unwelcome or contradict the idea or spirit of the page in question and that no explanation was offered then I think vandalism is the right term to use.

Now, I don't actually think that it was the intention of M. Kwunlei to actually do harm. Maybe his action were simply a little misguided. That doesn't change anything for me about what I just said above though. ;) -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  08:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

First thing first. I apologize if my updates have upset or mislead peoples, it just wasn't the prime intention behind it. Like you know, Yagoton is slowly recovering. Therefore, the barricade level and status of most buildings aren't quite as -standard- as we can say. Before the update, all those buildings were either not barricaded and/or ruined. That's why I have updated their respecful status after repair/barricade (the last time I checked Club McClean is still ruined). Secondly, it is true that I should have discuss the update of the barricade plan in the talk page before doing so. But since this plan is not compliant with the Uniform Barricading Policy and the last review was on October 11, 2009; I thought there were still way to improve it (I am a VSB supporter, therefore only barrcading to VSB+2). Again, I am really sorry for any inconveniences that have created. Last, but not least: should I reply this here or in your talk page? It's the first time I'm talking with someone via talk page, please advice, thanks. ;P --Kwunlei 22:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

To be frank, talking to people via talk pages is kind of awkward. It would be best if you could simply join us on our forum. You can find the link on our main Wiki page. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  08:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. I have been led back here when you updated your page. I am simply passing by to ask you if you were still interested in discussing this matter since I don't remember meeting you on our board or talk page. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  20:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. Nice to heard from you again, Eagle. Hope everything's under control in Yagoton. Like you see, I've been quite busy in the South-East part of Malton. To respond to your question, for sure. I would be interested to discuss about ways to improve the barricade plan in Yagoton. But just to make things clear, let me tell you my beliefs first. I believe that there should be two types of barricade plan: a maintained barricade plan and a standard barricade plan. A maintained barricade plan is aply for suburb that actually have survivors groups to maintain the various barricade level of each buildings. A standard uniform plan is for suburb that main focus is survival. Well, that's the basics. For details, we can discuss later. By the way, I know you guys are working together with Yagoton Revivification Clinic to operate secure revivification. It would be nice to have voices of all the groups that's part of Yagoton for the discussion. Because, in the end, it's the locals that will benefit from it. Rather make it good from the start. To begin, I suggest that we throw our ideas via the barricade plan talk page first and see where our joint efforts can lead us. Honestly, it's nice to see peoples like you who care for the suburb they are playing in and contribuate for it to be better. Finally, thank you for thinking about me for this matter. See you and have a nice day. --Kwunlei 04:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

What you are saying is quite interesting in theory... And I actually share your train of thought. Unfortunately, truth is there is only one group which ever had the motivation and the will to actually do help the suburb in the long run. Many groups formed and faded in the time The Abandoned patrolled the place since 6 years now... And we know that many more will form and disband in the coming years as well. And we will always be there, strong and organized.

Let me tell you this: we are always welcoming discussion about such matters as we like to have opinion from different groups, just like you just said. If you would be able to see the amount of embassies we have our forum, you would probably not believe it. However, interesting discussions simply don't happen. Groups like to contact us every so often for trivial things and then contact fade away for another few months... So in the long run we simply got used to make things our way (our way being heavily focused on helping the suburb and being newbie friendly) and then enforce it because nobody would otherwise.

I really welcome you to register on our forum. Such a discussion would take a long time and a lot of posts to carry out and Wikis in general are simply not discussion friendly. -- •Eagle of Fire• 

 •[Talk]•  07:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Eagle. I agree with you that such discussion can take more than a few talk. It can even lead to long long debate. Therefore I will register to your forum somewhere in the next few days. By the way, one of the reason why I would like to heard from the other survivor groups is that for some specific building, we need to justify their necessity/effectiveness. For example, I've taken a quick look at the suburb and there's two indoor RPs, one of those being a RRP. In my opinion, not all the NTs in Malton can be established as a RRP. They must meet all the requirements first. One of this requirement is how many steady survivors are willing to maintain it (reviver/healer/-bodyguard-/genny&fuel provider). If we don't know who or how many of them are doing it, that can lead to confusion and become counter productive. That's why having them all in the discussion from the start would be nice. Well, I'm glad to hear that we all want to improve the suburb to provide a strong support to any survivors needing assistance as well as helping local friends to operate in security. Like you know, I travel a lot in Malton and wherever I go, peoples always refer Yagoton as a strong survivor hub where they can find fast revive and feeling of safety. Let's do our best to continue this line of thought throughout all Malton. See you in the discussion board. --Kwunlei 05:49, 25 February 2011 (UTC)