User talk:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox39

Creating A Group Page

--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:44, 2 October 2009 (BST)

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Covers the basic concepts of creating a group page rather well. The Lv 2 headers are a bit distracting given the length of each section- you might want to use a smaller size for them. However, it seems to me to be a bit too wiki-centric to really fit with the other guides.--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 05:54, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Thanks Red, Ive amended the headers. I think there is a need for such a page, if not in guides, where melse would be a good place? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:40, 3 October 2009 (BST)

The aesthetics are a lot better now, and the content still is spot-on, if slightly thin. To elaborate on my final point, most of the guides are game-centered, while this one focuses more on the wiki aspect. All considered, if there was a header under guides for wiki-guides (why not?), this would be a great fit..--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 04:11, 4 October 2009 (BST)

You are using italics for quoting from another page, it makes it hard to read. You are also using italics for emphasis. Could you use it for only one of those tasks (preferably emphasis and find another way of displaying the quote)? - User:Whitehouse 11:14, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Thanks Whitehouse, I'll add the quote in a more quotey form. Hows it look now? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:32, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Looks great! The only think I can think of that would be useful would be some more examples of good group pages, with a variety of wiki-knowledgeable content. Then people can see a bunch of groups with varying amounts of coding. People could create a simply coded group page that looks good, learn some code and look at the coding on some of the more complex pages, and their own group page could then evolve if they so desired. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 20:37, 3 October 2009 (BST)

Why is the entire 'guide' not a redirect to Project Mentor? All you're saying is how to pretty up a page for general consumption with another failure in logical reasoning. I don't see the point of this when Project Mentor has personalised advice based on need rather than the broad generalisations found here. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 07:10, 8 October 2009 (BST)

Project mentor is a page that has been viewed 5000 times in its life, Guides? quarter of a million. Thats why I'd put it there, but yeah, linking to project mentor, help, the groupbox template etc are all pretty good ideas. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:10, 8 October 2009 (BST)

Placeholder comment so this isn't cycled, will update today. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 12:05, 14 October 2009 (BST)

I think you should choose another example than The Dead in your "Keep it simple" section. None of the criteria you list -- who are they, where do they operate, how do you contact them-- is actually on their main group page. Their page is really more a propaganda tool to promote an idea of mystery / fear of the unknown mega-horde rather than a functional recruiting / who are we? page. Which was probably exactly what they were going for so it works for them but it may not work for other groups.

I think your guide seems to be making the point that successful group pages really are about three things: Content, aesthetics, and page maintainance. But, those points could be a little more clearer / organized a little better.

You do a good job of listing the basics of what goes into a group page but it could be fleshed out a little more. I also like your hooks section a lot and agree with you that why should I join a group is one of the more important things the successful group page should convey. That said, I think you could provide some more examples on what you feel are good hooks and especially emphasize that separating your group from the thousands of other groups is important. If your group is the same as the hundreds of other groups out there, no one is going to care. Writing the hook is probably the second most important thing to the basics of where is the group, who is the group and how do I join so that section could use a few more examples. --MHSstaff 07:08, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Thanks, Ill do a major rewrite. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:44, 24 October 2009 (BST)

Part of the trick is that the issues that could be addressed by your guide are partially Urbandead related -- what information a group needs/should have in their page --, and partially wiki related -- how to make the page itself "pretty." I do not know what portion of each you should think about covering (or need to). -MHSstaff 19:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

That may be a good way to seperate it. Deal with one, and then the other. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)