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Amazing vs Rasher, Scinfaxi, and GANKBUS

Ooookay. Here we go again. Sorry.

Rasher is a member/the member of a PKer group called GANKBUS. They've been attacking me personally (Gee, I must be paranoid. Sure.) and have now moved on to PKing other members of my group.

Anyway, that's just the backstory. Several GANKBUS members have been editing the Crossman Defense Force page in very bad faith, most recently another false personal attack on me.

You can also see his attempts to undermine the group's control of its page here, here, here, here, and here. (This goes to his character and wanton disrespect for group control of its page.)

Eventually, we'll have to admit that yes, I'm a controversial figure in the game and on the Wiki - and people do harass controversial figures. It's just the way it is, for better or worse.

He also edited my user page, which is my domain, to futher slam me with this stuff. I don't even think Rez Bots could exist. Said bot would have to run over, revive you specifically, and run away again... Not even possible, I think. lol

Members of my group revive me because - hey - I'm one of their leaders. What a surprise. This is unnecissary and inflammatory behavior on the part of Rasher, and it needs to be nipped in the bud. These GANKBUS Pkers (if there is even more than one of them) do not know when to stop, and do not have any idea of where "the line" is, much less when not to cross it.

I myself created the GANKBUS page as a resource for information on this new group that was attacking me. Since then it's been turned into what is, very obviously, a simple "Slam Amazing" page. I'm not sure as to the rules regarding pages being worked up simply as an attack on a user or users.

Amazing 20:56, 28 March 2006 (BST)

More editing with the intent of obscuring information and annoying the group. -- Amazing 21:49, 28 March 2006 (BST)

More. -- Amazing 22:02, 28 March 2006 (BST)

More. Anyone alive? -- Amazing 23:32, 28 March 2006 (BST)

I have gone ahead and retracted/blanked the GANKBUS page - since I created it - because it was nothing more than a source of harassment and insult directed toward me. - Plus the responce to this complaint has been less than timely, so I need to protect my continued enjoyment of this site, since others haven't attempted to yet. -- Amazing 03:01, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I've talked to a friend and we're going to use my GANKBUS page to promote our new two-man group (so far) called GANKBUS. It was my intention to alert people to the PKers originally, but now I'd like to take my page in a new direction. -- Amazing 03:35, 29 March 2006 (BST)

Well, I'm sure the moderators are tired of this bullshit. First off, I was told not to contact Amazing and I didn't. He has somehow developed a fetish for me though, even though I believe we both been warned on the subject, wrote me a few love letters. I somehow don't think it's going to play very well for Amazing to create a monopoly on the GANKBUS title, and the group is just going to find a page somewhere else. That's my thoughts on the subject, so if this does require some moderation (as so many issues with this crybaby do), perhaps we can move the page. Scinfaxi 06:08, 29 March 2006 (BST)

Oh yeah, I didn't edit the CDF wiki. Scinfaxi 06:09, 29 March 2006 (BST)

You used other means to attack and harass me, yeah. I will delete every single page you use to defame me with such rabid obsession. This is a promise. Moderators may not be willing to do what they volunteered for in a timely manner, but I assure you I will not wait for them to in clear cases of personal harassment. Also, you're just another LIAR. -- Amazing 06:43, 29 March 2006 (BST)

It's going to take me some time to look through all those links. One thing I would like to note is that calling Amazing a crybaby on this page is not the best way to resolve this. The desicion will be made after I have looked through all the links.--The General 07:59, 29 March 2006 (BST)

Thinking about it, it is possible to make a rez bot, but it's not feasible because of the hugely complex coding that would be required. Anyway, if someone wanted to cheat and revive themselves then it would be easier to do it manually.--The General 12:12, 29 March 2006 (BST)

My own personal (paranoid) belief is that he chose "Rez Bot" because the Barricade Bot is such a hot topic. I believe he purposefully stated this simply to try and draw some of the Bot controversey over to me, hopefully destroying my Wiki usage even more with hundreds of anti-Bot messages. As you say, why not say "He uses alts to Rez himself" instead of using the Bot topic? BTW, my alts are never in the same Suburb, though I do use alts so I can play the game more than 50 AP allows. As I've previously stated, a group leader probably just gets revived faster than a PKer. -- Amazing 18:52, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I apologize for not posting here sooner. I didn't realize the discussion over arbitration took place here. Let me clarify some things;

• Amazing does not have the right to delete or move our group page because he created it. Wikis are not "owned" by anyone, and anyone has the right to edit pertinent information on a wiki page. You created the page to warn people about us, but now that we use it for our own information you don't get ot take it away. You can't simply say "oh I made a new group called gankbus so it gets priority over your page". There's nothing that could stop us from doing the same and making a zombie group called Crossman Defense Force that defends Crossman zombies from attacks by your police station, and requiring the same change of page. This isn't a game you want to play.
• I made the edits to the CDF page to indicate that GANKBUS is not one person, it is 4. Amazing kept changing this back so I put a picture of happycat above the PK list.
• We think he has a "rez bot" in that he has a player dedicated to rezzing himself, which is against game policy (bot meaning another character, not related to automation in any way) - this has nothing to do with our complaint about the GANKBUS page.
• We are requesting that the original GANKBUS link shows our page - we don't mind providing a link to Amazing's "new group" at the top, but we have the right to have our information on the original link. If this is not changed, we will create an alternate Crossman Defense Force and move their page to a /old . It's in exactly the same spirit and I hope you can see the obvious solution here.
• Thanks to Scinfax for fleshing out our wiki...if you have a cellphone we would like to contact you in game. Rasher 3:42 EST March 2006

I'm sorry but putting "GANKBUS" in your affiliation does not give you ownership of the page I created. You abused your Wiki privlages by turning the page into one big insult toward me. Since I created the page I am now going to use it for my own group I am forming. Furthermore I alledge you have a Pez bot that feeds you Pez ingame which is against the rules of the game. (No more rediculous and unfounded than your claim.) I'm sorry but as I say you simply have GANKBUS in your affiliation, that doesn't entitle you to ownership of my new group's page. You should have created it if you wanted one, but now you're just trying to steal it away from me since I'm going to be using it. -- Amazing 01:42, 30 March 2006 (BST)

I'm sorry Amazing, but you are wrong. You said yourself, you created the page to warn people about GANKBUS actions against you and your mates. You cant just simply decide 'ow, i am going to create a group named GANKBUS and i want the page back' and remove all their stuff now that they are using the page. And dont think we are foolish enough to actualy accept that you created this new group for your own personal use, because we know you are not going to and why you decide to create this. GANKBUS is moving a personal attack against you, and the same ruling that was decided in Daxx vs. Amazing (removal of all Amazing hate messages from the WCDZ page) should be put in action. The GANKBUS page now belong to them, and any editions you make to it that they dont see fit should be declared as an act of vandalism. --hagnat ^talk 02:13, 30 March 2006 (BST)

I'm sorry but I do not accept you as arbitrator. The General was here throughout this case, and you added your name to the list right *AFTER* "ruling" here, specifically joining to decide this one case. You are not accepted as the arbitrator for this case. I created the page and am now using it for my own group. Furthermore, editing of a page does not mean ownership. By that logic I could edit the CMS page a lot and claim I own it. The General may indeed decide against me, I don't deny that, but he said he needed time to look through the links, and I think that you should respect that and not "Rule" on this case, then add your name as an arbitrator afterward.

I am more than willing for them to have GANKBUS(old) and for us to have GANKBUS(new) with the current page used for clarification between the two. As I proved with the CMS analogy, you are incorrect as to page ownership. Again, if a member of Ridleybank Resistance Front edited their page alot, then decided HE was the leader - that doesn't mean he owns the page and gets to name himself as such. -- Amazing 02:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)

He. I didnt ask to be the arbitrator in this case. I joined the Arbitrations rank mainly because i just realized that i could help in here somehow. My previous statement was made as one of this Wiki users, nothing more, nothing less. The previous statement was place in hope that you realize how wrong you are about your actions against the GANKBUS group. Not that the GANKBUS group is right on personally attacking you, but you must level down to make things right. You wanted to be a moderator ? Right. Start behaving like one. --hagnat ^talk 02:54, 30 March 2006 (BST)

1. Please do not place comments in the middle of my text. I know this was just a silly mistake, of course.
2. You made a statement about this case and then placed your name on the Arbitrator list. It's clear you were actually trying to arbitrate the case.
3. Please keep a civil tone.
4. I have a group called GANKBUS that includes me and another player. We are going to see that my Sacred Ground Policy is spread throughout Malton.
5. Please start acting like an Arbitrator and, as I say, keep a civil tone and keep an eye on scenerios where you may be seen as pulling shady "Rule on a case, add your name to the list, claim you were speaking as a user when confronted" tricks.

Amazing 03:01, 30 March 2006 (BST)

He. Guess you have a point in here. I believe i should have sent my first stament to your talk page when i added myself to the arbitration ranks to avoid being confused as an arbitrator. For that, i am sorry. It was not a trick, it was only a foolish mistake from my part. The comment in the middle of your own, edit conflict. You must have placed your own while i was placing mine. --hagnat ^talk 03:13, 30 March 2006 (BST)

No problem. I guess I'll add my GANKBUS listing now, since you've graciously created the disambiguation page and placed the old GANKBUS page but not mine. ;) Heh. -- Amazing 03:16, 30 March 2006 (BST)

The new gankbus didnt had a page to link to. I left a link there so you could use it as a shortcut thing. Dont blame me if you didnt did your part on the deal you made with the old gankbus guys. --hagnat ^talk 03:29, 30 March 2006 (BST)

I actually said yesterday that I'd get on it tonight. lol -- Amazing 03:35, 30 March 2006 (BST)

Ok, so let me weigh in. Thanks for the decision. I have no intention to post any of Amazing personal information he did not make available off the wiki, nor did I ever. I fleshed out the wiki to HILARIOUSLY describe what GANKBUS, and people who generally PK Amazing, are thinking. Scinfaxi 02:36, 30 March 2006 (BST)

Harassment will not be allowed in any form. Sorry. -- Amazing 02:42, 30 March 2006 (BST)

Today I removed all comments about amazing not specifically pertaining to factual details about GANKBUS and moved our GANKBUS page back to the original link. Amazing, however, responded by vandalising it again and claiming that he does not accept the decision listed above. Rasher 30 March 2006

Take a moment to read before posting so you can see that was not an Arbitration decision, according to the poster. Also, I removed inflammatory comments about me myself when I moved the page to "old". That should have been satisfactory, even if you still wanted to change the url and add a page to clarify the difference and link to both. It's not vandalism to revert your action based on your misunderstanding. -- Amazing 03:07, 30 March 2006 (BST)

Right, I think we've worked out a suitable solution. You can each have your own page and the current page will link to the two and explain the differences between them. All infalammatory comments about Amazing which are not based on fact should be removed.--The General 08:35, 30 March 2006 (BST)

This isn't a suitable solution, this is Amazing's solution. If this is what you think is fair, then our new Zombie defense team in the crossman area (The Crossman Defense Force) will be creating its own wiki shortly. We will move the original Crossman Defense Force to a new page (Crossman Defense Force Original) and ours to a new page (Crossman Defense Force Zombie) and create a disambiguation page. The purpose of our group is to defend zombies from mall raids in the area near Crossman police station. This, according to your ruling, is perfectly allowable. Our CDF holds the exact same legitimacy as Amazing's GANKBUS. Rasher 9:05 EST 30 March 2006

Except that Amazing's CDF wasn't created by you, your GANKBUS was created by Amazing. Anyway, how do you think this should be resolved?--The General 15:15, 30 March 2006 (BST)

Creation has absolutely nothing to do with wiki policy. There is no "ownership" because you wrote the first entry for a page. If you're going to arbitrate, please understand the rules behind wiki use. We have modified the CDF page to be a disambiguation page as stated. Any vandalism will be reported on the validization banning page. I mentioned specifically above how we want this to be resolved: We want the original GANKBUS link back. We will put a link to Amazing's new group at the top. If this happens, we will allow the same treatment of our Zombie CDF page. Rasher] 9:32 EST 30 March 2006

Wiki policy on "ownership" is very unclear and is currently being disscussed. You are both trying to bully each other into submissian and this is not acceptable. I would suggest that the way to solve it would be to get Amazing to move his new GANKBUS group to a different name but demanding things is not the way to get this resolved. The desicion is that Amazing should change his new GANKBUS group to a different name and you should change your new CDF page to a different name. All iflamatory comments about each other are to be removed. Failure to comply with this desicion will be treated as vandalism.--The General 15:48, 30 March 2006 (BST)

GANKBUS is satisfied with both groups changing names and restoring each page to its original status. GANKBUS is now reverting to the original GANKBUS and removing non factual information about Amazing. GANKBUS is changing the name of CDF - Zombie to not conflict with the Survivor group's page. We expect CDF to comply. You can read about ownership here | Five Pillars of Wikipedia

Amazing must comply with the desicion or it will be treated as vandalism. As a note about ownership, that is wikipedia's policy, because we have in game groups managing wiki pages, it is nessecary for us to take a slightly different stance to ownership of pages.--The General 18:20, 30 March 2006 (BST)

GANKBUS has since moved our page back to its original status and removed reference of CDF - Zombie from the CDF page. The new group is called Crossman Zombie Defense Force and should not conflict in any way with searches or links to the original group name. No references to it are left on the CDF page. The CDF page needs to be restored to its original state, before the creation of the CDF - Zombie. Right now the CDF page is just a link to their original page. Also, while I agree that the circumstances are slightly different, groups and organizations are still listed on Wikipedia in the same way they are here. They may not be as much of a focus, but they are still very much a part of Wikipedia's 1 million + entries. Rasher 30 March 2006

I am going to leave it to Amazing to restore the CDF page.--The General 18:43, 30 March 2006 (BST)

I want to point out that while Rasher may point to Wikipedia rules, this site is not Wikipedia. Also, I will abide by this ruling - and will personally remove any and all inflammatory harassement from the GANKBUS page whenever it surfaces if Rasher or a GANKBUS member does not. -- Amazing 19:02, 30 March 2006 (BST)

If there is any more inflammatory harassement then contact me and I shall post it on the vandal banning page, on the grounds that failure to comply with an arbitration desicion is regarded as vandalism and will be treated as if the vandal already has two warnings.--The General 19:14, 30 March 2006 (BST)

Ahhh, okay, cool. -- Amazing 07:54, 31 March 2006 (BST)