Talk:The Great Suburb Group Massacre/2013/Volunteer Organization

There is also an active survivor group in West Grayside called The Stormknights.

Kyle Matrix is the guy that posts their stuff in the Wiki.

--Slow and Purposeful 22:13, 14 October 2013 (BST)

The Stormknights are not listed in the West Grayside group listing at the right of the page, which is why they aren't listed here. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 23:36, 14 October 2013 (BST)

Alphabetical divisions

For sanity's sake, can we divide the huge list of "uncontacted" and "waiting for reply" groups into subsections by letter? A-E, F- L, etc. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}08:59, 24 October 2013 (BST)

Also, what's our procedure for the non-group pages listed?-- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}09:01, 24 October 2013 (BST)

Yes, I think we can (I agree, they're unwieldy). As for non-groups...well, there aren't many of them, so one approach would be to go in-game and broadcast on those frequencies, asking for someone to respond if the frequencies are still in use for their designated purpose. If we get no reply back within a month or the responses we get indicate that they aren't being used for that purpose, we go ahead and mark them as available again. Unfortunately, that'll require that someone keeps their radio tuned to those frequencies so that they can hear the response (and they'll need to do so for the whole month, since the first response they get back could be from a random yahoo), so we'll be limited in how many frequencies we can contact at any given time. —Aichon— 16:25, 24 October 2013 (BST)

Alphabetizating done. Also, think we can put up a friendly reminder to check your talk page or something on the wiki news box? -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!} 10:21, 25 October 2013 (BST)

Done. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd be willing to volunteer Bob Moncrief (the in-game character) as one of those who can carry a radio & broadcast, but I might not be able to get hold of more than 4-5 radios. Also, how much can we rely on the "hissing" indicator? Perhaps if a radio is tuned to that frequency on three separate occasions in the one-month period, and it "hisses static" each time, the frequency can be removed? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Probably going to need to ask people to re-affirm RF usage in some way other than over that same frequency. Logistically, that would just never work. Just plop down a RadTrans somewhere and cycle through the frequencies with a message to "go here" or "do this". Have them re-affirm on the wiki or set up a different frequency for them to reply on. Penny Wise 23:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops, I thought I had posted exactly that idea before, but apparently I never actually saved my edit-in-progress. Anyway, yeah, that's exactly the way to handle it. Just cycle through and tell them all that we're removing them from the list in one month if they don't come to X_PAGE and post, then nuke any of them that fail to do so. Dirt simple, only takes one broadcaster, and can be processed by anyone here on the wiki. —Aichon— 02:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The Dead 2: Electric Boogaloo

Are we going to put up with this? I know we're supposed to let groups list their own areas of activity, but we all know they aren't active in all those places. --VVV ^RPMBG 08:37, 25 October 2013 (BST)

I'd say the fair thing to do would be remove 'em all (except Dunnell Hills) and let them add back what they want, but I'm not kicking that bees' nest. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}09:51, 25 October 2013 (BST)

To Arbies! Penny Wise 14:54, 25 October 2013 (BST)

I actually addressed this exact issue back when the 2012 GSGM was proposed and I suggested we delay it another year:

The GSGM happens when the wiki needs it, not because it's a new year, and if you want to cite the Goons as being a reason to do it now, stop, because that's not a valid reason. There's nothing stopping anyone here from doing regular maintenance and cleaning up a group that is clearly putting their name in suburbs where they aren't. Many of us used to do so regularly, and you don't need a GSGM to handle that, nor should you wait for one.

Said by Aichon at "No, it is (probably) not time" on the GSGM 2012 Talk page

For now, let it be. We don't need to get embroiled in drama while the GSGM is going on, since that'll just slow things down unnecessarily. After GSGM, we can work on it as a separate issue. I'm guessing we'll simply remove them and let them re-add themselves, as per what Whig said, but we can talk about it later. They responded to the GSGM request, and as far as the GSGM is concerned, we'll treat it as a valid response, since I don't want the GSGM to get into the business of determining which suburbs groups are allowed to be listed in. —Aichon— 16:32, 25 October 2013 (BST)

Alright then. You thinking that it would be better to make some sort of arby/policy/consensus move to removing them from all the suburbs, or just take them out one at a time from the spots we can verify they're not in? --VVV ^RPMBG 01:26, 26 October 2013 (BST)

The latter is too subjective, messy and unprecedent-backed. Also less fun. Anyways, cool your jets, Trip, it's not like The Dead is picking on poor unprovoking, unoffensive little NWO or something equally perfidious. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}02:38, 26 October 2013 (BST)

I'm inclined to simply do it and then let them take the initiative on creating drama and/or providing evidence that contradicts their removal. After all, the onus is on them to demonstrate they are active there, and given that they are supposedly active in about as many suburbs as they have active characters, I find it highly unlikely that they can demonstrate much of anything. —Aichon— 03:08, 26 October 2013 (BST)

That is also fun and I endorse it. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}03:36, 26 October 2013 (BST)

I endorse as well, but only if this takes place after GSGM is over, or is clearly on someone's individual initiative rather than embroiling the Massacre. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 04:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding non-group radio

i.e. the various listings here. I've been doing a sweep of all the radio channels over the past month or so (results can be found here). Almost done with the second go-round. Once that happens, does anyone mind if I remove any listing that wasn't active, and keep any one that was? That way we'll be able to do final wrap-up on the GSGM. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 02:24, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I could be convinced to do that, but I'm leaning towards "against" right now, to be honest. It looks like your sweeps are picking up a lot of frequencies that are unlisted, including ones that used to be listed, suggesting that pirate radios are fairly common and that activity alone is not a good indicator of who it's actually being used by (which we all probably know is true from experience), and you found even more unique, active frequencies on your second sweep than you did on your first, suggesting that we (i.e. you :P) haven't done enough sweeps to get a good sense of which frequencies are actually active. Between both of those, we may still need to simply broadcast on each of those frequencies and tell them to come to a page here and confirm that it's used by X. I still think that's the best approach, since it confirms activity and who it's being used by. —Aichon— 07:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, you've convinced me. I'm gonna keep doing the sweeps (since I'm also using them for personal purposes), and I'll see if I can figure out a transmitter with which to broadcast the confirmation request in the New Year unless someone else does it first. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 10:23, 21 December 2013 (UTC)