User talk:Bullish

Barhah

What exactly is your point on Barhah? Simply comparing it to something that you find vaguely "terrorist like", and trying to claim it's somehow disturbing to Americans, isn't a valid contribution to the page -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 21:13 30 August 2010 (BST)

Well the thought struck me, and I did an random survivor ingame review for a month, because it does sound vaguely Midlle Eastern in name origin. Plus, the idea of Barhah is very similar to the terrorist thought of getting 72 virgins as a reward in the afterlife. Now here's the comparason. Zoms are fanactics in what they do. And given the large amount of reading about Zom groups here it also seems that the players who use them are similar in mindset (for example the complete destruction of burbs). Also, we all know those large groups employ SPies, PKers, and GKers (even if they claim not too), which fits perfectly intot he terrorist theme.

Point is it fits into the RPG scheme of the game, and I added the "American" part to given fuller concern/sentiment for that demographic since they are still very Terrorist sensitive about alot of things. Of course they might see the Zombies as a terrorist plot, and related, ect.

My adding to this page is valid because it's credible, creative, and an accurate assesment/perspective of possiblity. And, in truth, Zombies are really generic toerorists. It's certyain people's perspectives that make them only see the Middle East as the stndard. Terrorist in itself is exactly suited to Zombie behavior.

Please return the edit, and if needed I'll be happy to expound, because it adds dimension to the game. Deleting freedom of speech, thought, and creativity to benefit the Zombies ideas over Survivors (especially given that certain Admins are already biased for Zoms) really isnt in the spirit of this site, and shouldn't be allowed.

Now please return my edit back to where it belongs. Thx.

Frankly, everything you just said is my favourite Brownite politician.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:28, 30 August 2010 (BST)

I don't know what that means. I was only trying to add an interesting plot twist/perspective to add more RPG dimension to the game. I'm not interested in politics (whether related to the game, or in real life), but my idea IS good for sure. It's definitely an interesting plot point, and I've accurately shown how Zombie behavior can be linked to the ideal.

I'm honestly hoping that this site isn't as "Pro-Zombie" as is mentioned in the game. That would be disconcerting given that there should be equal representation. But if that's the case then I can see why Kevan neever responds to anyone. LOL

Anyway, I just wrote something cool for fun, and even spent my own time polling people s opinions on the idea/possibility.

I've made a new edit, so maybe that works. I'm hoping that the product as allowed to be seen, so that I do not become one of the jaded who seem to think that this site is managed by favoritism. Given what I've written I can't see how it shouldn't be allowed to be viewed if fairness is the standard.

The site isn't managed by favouritism, and Kevan plays his zombie alt more than his survivor one, so that's a stupid point. Also, you've proved nothing, you basically said any exclamation by anyone is automatically a declaration of terrorism, and that because in a game geared towards conflict, oen side partakes in conflict, they are immediately terrorists. You briefly said that zombies do things such as PKing, something which, in this game's context, can only be done by survivors. Essentially, you pushed a biased opinion that survivors are the accepted governmental force and that any attacks on them by a side encouraged to attack them within the game's design are terrorist attacks. Your edit was not based on anythign concrete and was absolute rubbish.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:42, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Its not really favouritism, its more the fact its a zombie term, in a zombie language to define their own approach. To connect it with any specific religion or nation actually narrows the RP dimension, because it attempts to define something, that is by definition, beyond living comprehension. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:40, 30 August 2010 (BST)

You've OBVIOUSLY been playing TOO long. Your objectivity is lost. The game is about SURVIVING. Whether as human or Zom. And since we are all humans in real life we will automatically identify with humans, whether we what to or not. That's what makes this genre so popular. Even given we can play Zoms, the purposes are to survive and destroy. The problem here is that too many Zombie behaviors, for RP purposes, have been made canon. Can Zombies read the books, newpapers in game? Can they use the radios? The point is that people made the Zombie side in this game MORE HUMAN (which is what we humans do with everything so that's natural), however it's long been inappropriate for canon purposes. Do you see ANY zombies acting like these do (on the sites via coordination, attacks, ideas such as "Barhah" ect. IN GAME at all?

No you do not, and the reason for that is because that's what VAMPIRES do not Zombies. If the game allowed for more HUMAN-like abilites then the Zom groupshere would be more appropriate.

PLUS, everyone knows that the game is made to be a challenge. It REVOLVES around Survivors (as they have multiple things that can/need to be done to survive), and the basics of that are continuous. Zoms are difficult (if solo) for the first few levels, and they are on EZ mode late in the game. When people get terrortorial about that it's because they don't want to admit they are playing on easy level. Hell I have Zoms and they're fun, but let's kkeep it in perspective. The game is about Humans trying to survive. The site itself shouldn't even HAVE Zombie opinions, comments, ect. BECAUSE they aren't human. And the very OPINION that they can have their own thoughts, ect. given they can't use books, ect. (as stated above) proves that it's all ROLE PLAYING. Plus, ZOMBIES are ALL fiction and thus subjective.

Therefore, my ideas about their similarities to terrorism are valid because they fall under the same dictates of opinion and subjectivity. Does Ann Rice's Vampires have all the same qualities as Bram Stokers? See what I mean? The Survivors are based on fact given we are all human and what we think/do is proven. And, at the very least, it adds dimension to the game itself. The fact that ALL the Zombie stuff here is from RP should denote that this alternative is also possible.

Putting too much "humanity" into you're Zombie ideals is just dumb, close-minded, and sad really. Good job being dumb. You've effectively contributed to why the Human race really needs to have a Zombie infestation. Or at least Armageddon for the weak and selfish-minded sheep. Where's a minefield when you need one? Good luck with the propoganda edits Zom Nazis. LOL! The world's funny when it balances out like that. For all those offended at this point. Grow Up. You're not a Zombie, even if you are pale and live in your mommy's basement, and you idea of what a Zombie is in this game is WRONG

Considering I'm eligible to join Mensa, and you can't get your "yours" the right way round, you're in no position to call anybody "dumb". Your petulant assumption that zombies aren't people too is completely ridiculous, because they're played by humans. If you want to decide that zombies are all terrorists, go make your own game. Until Kevan says his are terrorists, they aren't. This isn't an issue of subjectivity, it's an issue of pathetic attempts by one individual to push their own opinion in to an article with a solid consensus on the meaning.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:04, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Starts argument by saying it adds to role playing, then tells me exactly how I should consider the competing sides. Brilliant. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:07, 30 August 2010 (BST)

You're passed for Mensa? I'm impressed! I'm no slouch either, but I can count myself lucky if I have an IQ of 110. I'm horrible with numbers and math :( --Thadeous Oakley 22:21, 30 August 2010 (BST)

I haven't applied to Mensa, but I'm in the top 1.5% of the population, and the cut-off is top 2%. Also, the test I took was new at the time, so I'm not sure if it directly counts towards Mensa application.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:25, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Lucky Bastard. But...shouldn't you be with The Conservatives then ;)? --Thadeous Oakley 22:32, 30 August 2010 (BST)

=O I'm shocked by your accusation! Typically the intelligentsia are directed to socialist parties!--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:33, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Wow Mensa. Gee you name drop well. However, most true Wisdom, and philosophy, doesn't just spring from intelligence. Quite the opposite in many cases. Intelligence is just as much a casue for fanaticism, closemindedness, and lack of perception as anything else. It's just another cult really. As for matching wits...come back in 100 years and I'll let you know if you're close. You really have no idea just how much more there is to know about knowing... Maybe in the next few lifetimes you'll learn that. And as for name dropping, well I can tell you that Burger King makes a damn good Whopper. Besides, swinging a 2-inch cock at a stone wall is about as effective at accomplishing anything as your claims. Hell, even if it is true, the fact that you are commenting on my grammar, instead of being able to grasp my true intention/perspective is the simplest sign of lack of enlightenment anyway. Congrats on that. Maybe I'll confuse their, there, and they're later for fun.

And I didn't start any argument. I finished it. It's just annoying that so much cluelessness, and closemindedness, even funnels into the smallest aspects of life. Pathetic really when those with a modicum of control in any aspect are completely clueless to the intrinisict values of creativity, objectivity, and opinion. Especially so when it comes to information that should be neutral, and balanced. PLUS< it's not even VALID game mechanics to have Zombie pages. So did you understand all those words Genius? I'm betitng you're still holding on so tight to the little world you're group "controls" here, though it's funny how it doesn't mean a damn thing in game, and anyoen who offers ideas that (even if they are credible/valid) go against what this little clique WANTS to think about Zoms in game.

The fact is you're not playing the game right, and you're trying to change the rules to allow you're "cheats" of information to be allowed. The End. Congrats Cheaters. LOL. Dummies. I'll be off now.

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Welcome to the Urban Dead wiki site. If you have any hiccups getting going, our help section should be of some use; or if you need anything in particular, feel free to ask me on my talk page. You might also be interested in the Suggestions section if you're keen on sharing your ideas; and it's a good idea to keep an eye on the admin pages in case you find yourself needing any of the admin services such as deletions or page moves. 01:52, 28 August 2010 (BST)

Admin favouritism bull

Of the 8 active admins, from what I've seen:

1. Aichon has accounts of all three playstyles. He seems balanced between the three.
2. Boxy is generally a zombie player from what I've seen.
3. DDR is more geared towards PKer or Survivor play.
4. Cheese has both survivor and zombie alts, and seems balanced between them.
5. Misanthropy is decidedly a PKer.
6. Red Hawk One is primarily a survivor.
7. Ross has all kinds of playstyles, but is most notable for his extensive survivor theoretical work.
8. I have all three types of character, but I'm a decidely survivor player.

So, four who seem geared towards survivors, one who's a PKer, one who's a zombie and two largely spread ones. Now, I may be mistaken, but that's what i've seen of their characters. More importantly, none of the sysops are in any way biased towards any form of play. There's no possible justification for callign this a zombie-driven website.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:49, 30 August 2010 (BST)

You forgot to mention there's currently 5 of us defending blackmore from the zombie scum! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:51, 30 August 2010 (BST)

You, me, DDR, Red and Aichon? couldn't get the fifth, but I've only been there for a day. Either way, he's a stupid bloke.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 21:54, 30 August 2010 (BST)

I'm not an admin, but I'm there since a day or two. --Thadeous Oakley 22:03, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Oh yeah, I'm also the leader of a survivor group. Forgot about that. :P --User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:14, 30 August 2010 (BST)

You know, I can kinda see some similarity in words "ALLAH AKBAR" and "BARHAH"--Thadeous Oakley 22:09, 30 August 2010 (BST)

And? I can see similarity in the words "ALLAH AKBAR" and "Hello peter". That doesn't mean anybody who says hello to peter is a terrorist.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:10, 30 August 2010 (BST)

(Puts on best fish voice) Its a trap! --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:11, 30 August 2010 (BST)

I know, it's not that I'm agreeing with him. I'm just noting that I find those being similar pronounced. --Thadeous Oakley 22:13, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Yeah, but the chance for a one-liner was too good to pass up.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:14, 30 August 2010 (BST)

I don't understand why you resort to walls of text with lots of arguments. Who are you trying to convince? Anyone who's been longer here then a month can see Bullish is rubbish. And it's not like your going to convince him, so what's the point? --Thadeous Oakley 22:18, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Hopefully he'll stop coming back with new accounts if he feels he's had his argument. Or he'll just become a plague on the underbelly of the suggestions system, like most wiki-trolls.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:20, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Meh, I wouldn't have gone further then a polite warning. Anything more is a waste, considering the stupidity and stubborn antics he throws up.--Thadeous Oakley 22:23, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Yeah, but I have work to do and I'm procrastinating.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:49, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Wow Mensa. Gee you name drop well. However, most true Wisdom, and philosophy, doesn;t spring from intelligence. Maybe in the next few lifetimes you'll learn that. And as for name dropping, well I can tell you that Burger King makes a damn good Whopper. Besides, swinging a 2-inch cock at a stone wall is about as effective at accomplishing anything as your claims. Hell, even if it is true, the fact that you are commenting on my grammar, instead of being able to grasp my true intention/perspective is the simplest sign of lack of enlightenment anyway. Congrats on that. Maybe I'll confuse their, there, and they're later for fun.

And I didn't start any argument. I finished it. It's just annoying that so much cluelessness, and closemindedness, even funnels into the smallest aspects of life. Pathetic really when those with a modicum of control in any aspect are completely clueless to the intrinisict values of creativity, objectivity, and opinion. Especially so when it comes to information that should be neutral, and balanced. PLUS< it's not even VALID game mechanics to have Zombie pages. So did you understand all those words Genius? I'm betitng you're still holding on so tight to the little world you're group "controls" here, though it's funny how it doesn't mean a damn thing in game, and anyoen who offers ideas that (even if they are credible/valid) go against what this little clique WANTS to think about Zoms in game.

The fact is you're not playing the game right, and you're trying to change the rules to allow you're "cheats" of information to be allowed. The End. Congrats Cheaters. LOL. Dummies. I'll be

We're cheaters because we play zombie? Sorry, that makes no sense, and you haven't even uttered any coherent argument. You haven't addressed any of the points we've made, and so unless you actually want to debate the issue, I highly recommend you stop coming back.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 22:30, 30 August 2010 (BST)

So you play as a survivor. Then you get eaten. What do you do then? Play as a zombie? Or go get a revive? Are you saying that we should remove all the revive point information from the wiki? Because how could you read it? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:32, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Just because you're too DUMB to grasp what I'm saying is not only free expression of opinion, but completely valid and accurate, doesn't make it non-coherent. It just means that it's over your head. Go sit in your room and do some thinking for awhile...if you're capable (Hey I got that you're right!) It's called having perspective and an open mind. Daunting concepts I know. Scary even little one. Shhh, it's ok. The scary man with the right anwers will take care of the things that need doing, and you won't even realize what that means or what is happening. Ignorance is bliss, Clulessness is a choice, and Stupidity is it's own reward. No, I play Zoms. Cheating is not allowing valid opinion/ideas to be placed where they belong and intentionally skewing information pages to suit non-canon changes your group seeks to implement in game.

Free opinions about what Barhah means to Zoms, AND SURVIVORS, should not be removed. They are perspectives, and opinions as is most of this site, so removing it because you don't agree with the proferred position is biased. BTW, just because I'm a noob to writing here doesn;t mean I'm not as much, if not more, of a credible writer/editor for this site. In fact, there's ALOT more imblances that need correcting. And I'm not pro Zom or pro Survivor. It's just that recent comments have given me a certain position for the time being. And when I happen TO BE RIGHT, it really doesn;t matter if it's understood. Just because a concept isn;t understood does not mean it's wrong. The Earth is round, and Genius really is often misunderstood too. Not to say I'm a genius. I'm not...that I know of, but I am profoundly wise, and perceptive/intuitional. And decidely honest/matter-of fact in that assesment as there is a fine line between confidence and conceit. I'm not crossing it, but I'm sure you think otherwise given your misperceptions. And to that I say...Leanr why you are wrong there too.

As for the rest. Even if you play Survivor the most, the fact that you are favoring a different sentiment (zom in this case), for no other reason then you don;t like the position, is abuse of journalistic intergrity. Since I'm obviously using too many big words, as indicated by the fact you have no clue about why my position is completly valid and accurate, it means that what I added was not only creative for RP purposes, but also Controversial as a Survivor aspect. Plus, ZOMBIES HAVE NO WAY TO READ OR WRITE! Get that through you're stupid, closeminds. Zombies don't have those aspects in game so they shouldn't here. The very fact that they do is a proven abuse of the system. While I'm not against that abuse, becuase it helps the RP, my edit should be allowed if such humongous in accuracies about Zombies are alllowed.

When they can read, write, and communicate on the radio, then they canact like humans here (by making roups, organizing events, and recruiting). Those are HUMAN attribues. Now since those inaccurate attribues, as related to what they do in game, are allowed then so should my opinion. Even though I've already proven that Zom tactics do have a striking similarity). PLUS it says "Controversial" in the section head. This opinion is Controversial as well as Possible. Stop being predjudiced and dumb. You;ve already lost and soon more will come from it. bet on it.

So you're telling us that we're biased because we're allowing zombies to have equal rights on this wiki? Then you talk about something called closeminds which I can only assume is a brand of baby lotion, and mutter out some patronising comment or other. The most important thing though, is that you claim your opinion is the opinion of survivors. It isn't, it's yours. If you edit the page again, I'll put you on VB. If you vandalise this wiki with any more of your ignorant spew, I'll put you on VB. If you make another account to pretend you have friends, I'll put you on VB. Now go away, some of us have better things to do than be petulant children because our edits aren't immediately loved.--User:Yonnua Koponen/signature2 23:01, 30 August 2010 (BST)

I kinda like the point where he goes and says that barhah a zombie term is supposed to mean something to survivors. -- 

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23:06, 30 August 2010 (BST)

ITS EVEN STATED ON THAT PAGE THAT BARHAH CAN BE ACHIEVED BY BOTH GROUPS SO MY OPINION IS ALSO A VALID CONTROVERSY ON THAT PAGE. I AM RIGHT IN WHAT I WROTE AND WHERE I PUT IT SO STOP ABUSING EDITTORIAL POWER INAPPROPRIATELY. IF I WAS SAYING SOMETHING SHITTY< OR PUTTING IT IN THE WRONG PLACE THEN ID MAN UP JUST FINE< APOLOGIZE< AND FIX IT< BUT ALLOWING ABUSE IS ANNOYING AND OFFENSIVE. Thank you for showing me that instead of being able to simply add interesting, creative material, that COULD be accurate, is not allowed if it offends a certain bias group. And who can if that's what Zoms think or don't? You can't becuase you are only one player, and even if a clique of you think the same, there are always individuals...and mutations. There is a MILITANT group destroying brubs after all right? Sure sounds terroristic to me. It's all about perspective and that is what is sorely lacking here. I am right. It is accurate and appropriate The only incorrect action is the abuse/bias of not allowing free expression when it's harming NOBODY and possibly adding more depth to the game. GET A CLUE!

So aside from your over use of the SHIFT key. Your aware that when you edit a page like that and lay claim to it being "human/survivors" opinions on barhah you begin to speak for all of the survivors in Malton. I highly doubt you do. As such comments like those that you wish to put on that page should be discussed on the discussion page, and talked about being just being tossed on there because its how you feel about the issue. I think your a giant cunt who needs to pull his head out of his ass but you don't see me putting that on your using page, instead I politely add it to your discussion page here and let others comment on it as they see fit. -- 

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23:23, 30 August 2010 (BST)