User talk:WanYao

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Post new comments on top, please. And sign them.

Trolling and drama-whoring will not be tolerated. Any post may be deleted at my sole discretion.

Thanks for your time. ;)

Here is an archive of past discussions.

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Hey Wan, it's Doom

Just want to let you know, now that the Finis thing is pretty much over, and Santlerville is a good old happy place now, my alts free to do whatever so if you've got anything you need help on I'll send him over. Anywhere (except West Grayside and Wyke Hills, and he can't deal with the MOB crisis in the South, the Watch is already on it), and I can go, or even roll with you if needed.

Also, did someone delete your user page? It's empty save the quote at top, or my browser's got issues.

Oh, I noticed you're changing you user page, hope it looks good. Plus I forgot to sign. --Apocalyptic doom, 30 August 2008, 9:54AM (EST).

Hullo ... Yeah, I'm changing the user page because I am distancing myself from various dramafests... I'll probably add something back to it later on... Also, I can't deal with the Watch seeing as the MOB is in the area atm... But thanks for dropping by! :) --WanYao 20:31, 30 August 2008 (BST)

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About the suggestions talk page, i'm continuing that discussion with you on my talk page, just so you are aware. - tylerisfat 03:29, 29 August 2008 (BST)

replied - tylerisfat 03:37, 29 August 2008 (BST)

and again - tylerisfat 10:09, 29 August 2008 (BST)

yakitty yak, talk talk back...--WanYao 10:20, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Excuse me...

...I would contact you on the appropriate forums, IRC channel, or talk page if I knew exactly which forums, IRC channel, or talk page that you are referring to or I would contact you in-game if had a way to do so. Seeing as how those methods of contacting you are beyond my grasp, I'll contact you here, as the wiki is apparently not too unworthy of your time for you to keep correcting my activity. About that, though your response was a bit aggressive in tone, I just want to clear things up in saying that the spam/vandalism that you've scolded me for has been completely unintentional. If I'm erring, its because I lack editing propriety (which I apparently do), not because I'm trying to manipulate this wiki to suit my own agenda, as you seem to imply.

That said, thank you for your editorial help and correction. I hope that any future correspondence can be on friendlier terms. Finn the Fox 23:36, 24 August 2008 (BST)

Replied. --WanYao 00:19, 25 August 2008 (BST)

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion%3A20080825_Searching_In_A_Dark_Building&diff=1258243&oldid=1258242

This is ass, man. A lot of fine suggestions never go through Talk: Suggestions, and Jon doesn't spam the suggestion page; if anything, his suggestions have a better signal to noise ratio than average. A lot of them are quite good, and helpful to zombies.  Swiers 22:03, 25 August 2008 (BST)

Strange that you ignore everything he's done for the last 2 years on the suggestions page for things he's claimed to have suggested that were suggested multiple times by multiple people 2-3 years ago. He's gotten better about it since his little self imposed break but you can't seriously be claiming 2007 never happened.--Karek^maps?! 00:08, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I know I haven't been here for very long, and I probably shouldn't even get into this but I can't resist. Do you really thing he had that much to do with any of those things that made it in, if he even had anything at all to do with them? I don't think he's a bad guy, but when it comes to suggestions I don't see how he can go from creating stuff like that to the stuff he's put up recently...--SirArgo ^Talk 00:16, 26 August 2008 (BST)

i was venting... and, yeah, i am well aware that i was totally over-the-fucking top... that was the point... But, sadly, 2007 *did* happen, yeah... and even just a month or two ago he was still spamming the suggestions page almost every day... and he NEVER post ideas to Talk:Suggestions... some of his ideas DO have merit, though, like this one... and that's exactly my point... now, this idea, because it wasn't properly developed and fleshed out, will be an eternal DUPE... Too bad. There are many good reasons why it's strongly recommended that people post an idea to Talk:Suggestions before putting it up for voting... And the fact that Talk:Suggestions is a giant fucking trolls' free for all is deeply regrettable.... but I have a position on how to deal with that kind of stuff... thing is, it's not something that seems to fly very well... and i accept that... though, nope, not without a bit of shitstorm to go along with it... ;P --WanYao 02:00, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I wasn't around for a good chunk of 2007, I think. As for the duping issue- all it takes is he either pulls the suggestion and it gets re-submitted, or it goes to undecided, or some brave sole has the nads to take the dupe brigade to arbitration when the suggestion is notably different, as the guidelines specifically say not to make dupe votes in that case.
And yeah, I do believe he developed a lot of those ideas. I remember voting on them.
And yea, I do understand your frustrations, WanYao, and can even understand why John might be a focus / trigger for them. But really, I think you sorta make yourself look bad by such unmerited attacks.  Swiers 04:54, 26 August 2008 (BST)

The thing is, being calm, nice, reasonable doesn't get you anywhere. I've tried that... Sure, the other calm, nice, mature and resonable people will deal with you in like fashion... But for every one of those, you're going to 2 or 3 fucking twat trolls and spammers... Who completely drown out the former... So you're left with a couple of choices after that: you don't bother anymore, you walk away... or you fight fire with fire and you escalate... Sadly, all three choices suck, and fail.

Frankly, I think the entire Suggestions system is a completely and utterly broken disaster... It's a troll's playground, a complete free for all. I think it really ought to just be shut right down, scrapped... Actually, I've come to pretty much the same conclusion regarding the entire wiki: it's utterly, completely fucking broken, and a free-for all troll's playground... and there's nothing you can do about it. Nothing...

So, yeah... I'm frustrated... Does it show??? ;) But seriously, I believe the wiki is simply broken. Period. It's a joke -- the suggestions thing just happens to be a flashpoint for the disaster, is all... And I respect anyone who actually is trying to slog it through, and take "the high road" -- as you two, swiers and karek, both attempt do... But I don't have the patience for it, I really don't... And, the sad thing is I know I'm not alone. Look at how many good users (including sysops) have walked away... and how many more never get involved in the first place... Serial trolling is killing the wiki; and zerging is killing the game itself... For the moment, I do have the patience to slog through the latter mess, because the game is still fun, and the community is worthwhile... but for how long? I seriously wonder how many more days Urban Dead has left, if something isn't done to fix the wiki and the zerging issue...... Hmph. --WanYao 11:59, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Does it really matter if suggestions is a broken free for all trolls playground? Or the wiki for that matter? Suggestions is junk, maybe it gives kevan ideas for what to implement, maybe it doesn't. Either way changing it wouldn't do jack, it has no real effect on the game and thus is barely worth the time people invest in it now, let alone more than that. As for the wiki, it gets the job done informing your average player about what to do and where to go. imhop that's not a bad effort.--xoxo 12:28, 26 August 2008 (BST)

I don't like how you say that the wiki is a trolls playground, when lets be honest, you spend a large amount of your edits trolling suggestion pages. The other thing that caught me off guard was how you said that being reasonable doesn't get you anywhere. Excuse me but....what do you gain from being shit to everyone who either A) Posts a suggestion and is not in a position of power and b) Posts some POV on a suburb page? It just makes the newbs not want to edit anymore. Most of them don't know what POV is, but you flame them anyway. I know, I was one of them, and you made me want to give up wiki-ing altogether. If you want to complain about the trolls on this wiki, then you need to not be one yourself, not flame people (which starts troll wars, which is a waste of time) and most fucking importantly, be a good user. I don't get your logic in saying the wiki is shit, so you will be shit aswell, because it's easier that way. It's a pathetic attitude.--CyberRead240 12:57, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Also, don't take it as a complete flame, while it is sort of that, it is mostly out of both frustration towards your agenda on this wiki, and because you really, really give me the shits when you comment on suggestions.--CyberRead240 13:00, 26 August 2008 (BST)

Oh come on, as if... Yeah, I can be a dick. I'm the first one to admit that. However there is a huge difference between almost all of my posts -- even the dickish ones -- and the kind of bullshit, asshole trolling that I am talking about. You can tell the difference. Or you really should be able to tell the difference... and if you can't... well... I don't know what to say... And, I'm sorry if you're butthurt because I flamed out on you several months ago over NPOV shit... But you yourself weren't all that upstanding in your comportment in all that... And, frankly, aren't to this day... Meanwhile, outside of the Suggestions page and dealing with a certain degree of snideness towards a particular group's representatives who are well known ASSHOLES... I think I've actually been pretty decent in dealing with NPOV stuff. Not always Dr. Phil meets Oprah in Deanna Troy's chambers for tea, but not the SA wannabe you seem to trying to paint me as .. So, not only are you a very, very dark pot calling a kettle black, you're also not even on base... Yeah... But thanks for the input, have a nice day. Ciao. --WanYao 16:25, 26 August 2008 (BST)

And... re: the suggestions page... Get your facts straight. Go read my contributions. No, go actually FUCKING READ THEM. And go see the many times that I am very constructive... And then look at when I am jerk, and why? I am a jerk when someone posts completely broken garbage... What, am I supposed to be all nice and Oprah to people who don't even do their basic homework? No. Get a grip. Especially considering that you and your buddies are some of the biggest spam-trolls on that page. Give me a break. --WanYao 16:34, 26 August 2008 (BST)

And... User:Sexylegsread you are not welcome on this Talk page. Please do not post here again. --WanYao 16:39, 26 August 2008 (BST)

If I felt WanYao was just another asshole in the crowd, I wouldn't have bothered starting this discussion, Sexylegsread.  Swiers 06:40, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Please, call him Sexy....or Read...if you'd prefer...--xoxo 06:48, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Mr. Read was asked not to post here not because I felt anything that was said above was particularly bad or out of line. Wrong? Misguided? Maybe... No. Rather, I went to the Talk:Suggestions page to poke around... And what did I see? A whole SLEW of "Wan's an asshole" and "Wan's a troll" spam from Mr. Read. Far more than I'd remembered, or expected. I was not impressed... So I made the decision, based on that, that I don't want to talk to him or deal with that. That's the reasoning... And, yeah, I read the post on Sweir's Talk page... And, without abdicating my responsibility for my own actions... The atmosphere of much of this wiki really isn't very conducive for, or fostering to (for me anyway), things constructive... That's really about it, I think that says a enough... --WanYao 07:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)

UDWiki:Image Categorisation

Come on Wan! Me having to tell you where something is on the wiki? You're slipping old man. What what? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:43, 12 August 2008 (BST)

stressful fucking day. i don't wanna think! ;P

I normally dont even cat the images if they arent being used, and then ask a sysop to delete them after two weeks. Its a scheduled deletion or something--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:21, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Category:Unused Images is actually decently helpful. Even if we also have a Special page that does the same thing. It keeps the image out of the way of the other people categorizing images.--Karek^maps?! 22:41, 12 August 2008 (BST)