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| == Editing building pages........ ==
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| Am i allowed to edit Building pages,particularly the Krinks power station description and make changes to it.
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| Another question.If i were to post in the current description should i remove the "please sign your post " thing or should i just post on there and leave it like that?[[User:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="red">Payne</font>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="blue">Train</font>]]<sup>'''([[NWO]]/[[FU]])'''</sup> 16:31, 1 September 2013 (BST)
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| :You're allowed to make changes to the descriptions of location pages, provided that your changes are in good faith and are written from a neutral point of view (they're unowned pages in the main space, so anyone is free to edit them, so long as they follow those two guidelines, more or less). And if you're making edits to the current news for a building...well, to be honest, I wouldn't, since those sections are rarely used or looked at...but if you do, then I'd leave the instructions to sign your posts, but then would comment underneath it, probably. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:48, 1 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::Thank you--[[User:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="red">Payne</font>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="blue">Train</font>]]<sup>'''([[NWO]]/[[FU]])'''</sup> 02:32, 2 September 2013 (BST)
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| ==really?==
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| If you're going to lock cobras edit at least post an opinion on the new edits on the krinks talk page, please. This is not an issue of NWO vs cobra, this is an issue of cobra smudging our integrity, I hope you can give a decent 3rd party perspective on thus subject for the sake of the wiki and the one of the few posting rules you can enforce. Thanks [[User:H4ppy 24 7|H4ppy 24 7]] 03:52, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| :No, this isn't about any of those things. This is about the two of you acting like children and me taking away your toys until you learn to play nice with each other. The point is not for me to get involved; it's for you two to figure this out between yourselves while the page remains temporarily protected for a day or two, as per our standard procedure in response to edit warring. I'm not going to shove myself into this as a mediator with a third-party perspective. This is between you guys. I'm just giving you a few days to mull it over. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:03, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| ==You make me cry==
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| How dare you don't list me as arbitraorer. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]] 21:08, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| :You're not the only one, Ross. I've been left out too. Damn it, Aic. I thought we had something special. :( I demand to be listed or I shall take you to Arby's for not listing me as arbitrator! --[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack: The Legend Returns to the Wiki]] 21:31, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::You've already been turned down by others. I only listed names that hadn't been turned down yet. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:36, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::I want a divorce. :( --[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack: The Legend Returns to the Wiki]] 21:59, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::::We promised each other we'd never say the D-word! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:22, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::::I want Grim to arbitrate. He is the ultimate jury, judge, and witnesses all in one. --[[User:Axe Hack|Axe Hack: The Legend Returns to the Wiki]] 22:53, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::::::''Wehll, ah'll ask heem, but ah dohn't theenk he'll be verrah keen...'' {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:32, 14 September 2013 (BST)
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| :I thought about adding you, but you have a knack for handing out even-handed judgments that leave ''both'' sides feeling like they didn't get everything they wanted out of the case. That's good most of the time, but it's not what I want here. Treat the omission of your name as a compliment. ;) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:36, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| :At least he didn't exclude you in particular like he did me XD {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 22:00, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::You got excluded for basically the same reason as Ross. Take it as the compliment it was intended to be. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:22, 11 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::i accept. think cyber will agree?--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>02:55, 12 September 2013 </small>
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| I come back to find you embroiled in the most drama-tic thing going on on the wiki? Times certainly have changed.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature}} 02:30, 13 September 2013 (BST)
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| :I'm as surprised as you are. I figured there'd be an arbitration case at some point, since things were building in that direction, but not yet, and certainly not involving me. In fact, they just made their opening statements and didn't list a single complaint against me. It's just bizarre. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:37, 13 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::it really didn't take much. and I'm surprised i'm not personally in the case. oh well [[File:Popcorn.gif]] --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>03:06, 13 September 2013 </small>
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| :::Can I make a parody page of an arbitration page? I'll use all the nice lines and stuff that DT is using. Any rule against that?--<span style="border:solid 1px #AF7817; padding: 0px 1px; background-color: #E7DFCE; color: black;">'''[[User:Squid Boy/SaysF|Seekandyeshallfind]]'''</span> <sup>[[User_talk:Squid Boy/SaysF|<span style="border:solid 1px #AF7817; padding: 0px 1px; background-color: #E7DFCE; color: black;">QI</span>]]''' <sup>[[Philosophe Knights|<span style="color:#AF7817">PK</span>]]</sup></sup> 03:07, 13 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::::I think that's fine, but make sure it's not in the UDWiki: namespace (probably your own userspace is the best choice) {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 03:17, 13 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::::If you parody me as an Arbitrato, so help me I will reduce you to a quivering puddle of tears and fecal matter, and then I'll make you spend Christmas with the BAR. '''~*DOOM*~''', etc.
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| :::::And then I'll probably laugh at the parody. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 20:04, 14 September 2013 (BST)
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| Looks like you got out of this in time. Not a bigg fan of howw its going. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]] 23:21, 14 September 2013 (BST)
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| :Well, I don't have many opportunities where I feel justified in baring my teeth, so I have to admit that I kinda enjoy them when they come around, and am a bit disappointed when they don't live up to expectations, which is what happened here. And I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that, since I had figured that you'd be handling it at least somewhat similarly. I.e. Relatively straight-laced, even though that may not be your preference. Am I off-base? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:59, 14 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::Am I a shitty arbitrator? Tell me the truth, I can take it. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 01:12, 15 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::I don't think so, but you already have more experience in arbitration proceedings than I do, so take my word with a grain of salt. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 02:41, 15 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::::They're always going to be clusterfucks. Fine so far, but remember the wiki policies aren't up for discussion here, it's the actions of the people involved. Then silly beggars. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]] 12:21, 15 September 2013 (BST)
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| == May I ask? ==
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| [[User_talk:Ayu_Milady/Archives]] is this okay or not? and.. where should I ask for things like this? thanks :) --[[User:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#90B818">Ayu</font></b>]] [[User talk:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#11B4BD">Milady</font></b>]] <sup><font face="Cambria">[[NWO|<font color="Silver">NWO</font>]] member</font></sup> [[User:Ayu_Milady/Sig | <span style="font-family:High Tower Text; color: orange; font-weight:normal;">(┛ò__ó)┛彡┻━┻</span>]] 08:10, 14 September 2013 (BST)
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| :Are you asking if it's okay to put it there? If so, absolutely. Anything that starts with "User:Ayu Milady/" or "User talk:Ayu Milady/" is in your userspace, and with a few exceptions, you are essentially free to do anything you want in there. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Ayu_Milady&curid=161152&diff=2098886&oldid=2098883&rcid=2171620 This edit earlier] was not okay, since there's [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy_Discussion/Prohibiting_Content_Outside_of_the_Normal_Page_Area|a policy governing how custom titles can be used]], but you've already corrected the problem, so what you have now is fine. As for where you can ask questions like these, you're welcome to continue asking me, of course, but otherwise you can use a page like [[UDWiki:Wiki Questions]], where other people can respond more easily as well. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:52, 14 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::Yeah, because usually people generate sub pages on user page, not the talk page. I see.. sorry for the custom title. Thank you for answering my questions. It really helps :] --{{User:Ayu Milady/Sig}} 12:50, 15 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::you can do it how ever you like.. but i prefer only one talk page to check and edit. it just keeps down on the clutter and amount of time i spend on wasting time while wasting time.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>15:04, 15 September 2013 </small>
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| ::::Okay... Right, thanks...... Sexualharrison. --{{User:Ayu Milady/Sig}} 20:25, 15 September 2013 (BST)
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| == WHAT SORRY ==
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| Oh my gosh what did I do? The best I can come up with is it saved before all 170kbytes had loaded properly. I did ''not'' mean to delete half of June and most of August. Oops. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 04:18, 20 September 2013 (BST)
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| :Not only that, but it's not a talk page, it has a big box outlined in red at the top saying don't change it, and the top of the code reminds you in all-caps to not edit it. I'm super upset! FROWNY FACE!! {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:21, 20 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::I'm actually sitting here laughing out loud. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 04:32, 20 September 2013 (BST)
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| == Template:If equal ==
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| Aichon - it looks like your change to the If equal template just now has broken the [[User:TargetReport/Ridleybank|RRF target map]] (and presumably some other pages too... ) - I believe because that space you removed ''is'' needed by the Switch template. I've tested it out in my sandbox and putting space back in seems to fix it so I'm going to try reverting (just) that part of your change now...
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| :What exactly did it break? I didn't see anything broken when I just tried removing the space again, and the space definitely isn't necessary for the switch statement to work, which makes me think that there's actually something on your side that was counting on some odd behavior in the template for the way it functions. If so, I'd like to fix it on that side, since it's preferable to keep such commonly-used templates as small as possible, and I really never should have put that space there in the first place. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:50, 20 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::Ignore what I said. It is required. Or at least it is some of the time. No clue why it works for me sometimes and not others. Anyway, I'll be leaving it in, to say the least. Sorry about that. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:01, 21 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::Thanks. All now working again for me. --[[User:Rick Dulton|Rick Dulton]] 00:54, 21 September 2013 (BST)
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| ::You likely won't see them for a bit unless you save the page. I imagine the if templates are quite heavily included. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:21, 21 September 2013 (BST)
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| :::Also the reason has to do with the {{tl|Switch}} template because what you're essentially doing is overwritting variable 1 with a matched variable term. in their example the value becomes case: {{{width}}} which is then matched by the second case: {{{width}}}(or whatever it returns) building the variable case: {{{width}}} with a default value of default unless otherwise assigned. So you're making a variable that is {{{case: value}}}, if you remove the space from one you have to remove it from the other but if you do that you'll break every switch call made to this point. It's basically the closest that can be reached without an operands processor. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:33, 21 September 2013 (BST)
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| == GSGM ==
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| Just letting you know that, barring unforeseen circumstances, I'm planning to post the group talk messages, add the suburb news messages and update the Main Page sometime this weekend. I tried looking into system messages but I have no idea how that works - any advice? Also, I don't have Facebook, so I'd need someone to post there about it.
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| Hope moving is going well! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 10:11, 9 October 2013 (BST)
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| :Afraid I don't have Facebook either. As for [[Special:AllMessages|system messages]] (which you can access from the [Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] link on the side), I don't remember which one it is, but one of those, if it has text, causes a message to appear at the top of the page on EVERY page for as long as that message is there. I think we had some issues with it conflicting with some of the various themes that people can choose in their preferences, but I wasn't able to work on it myself last time we looked into it, since it was after I had stepped down from being a sysop, and I can't remember how significant the issues were. If they were just minor issues like the message getting covered up or not appearing, then I'd say we should still go ahead with it, since it'll at least reach some more people.
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| :Also, leave some work for other people. I know you're more than capable of doing it all yourself, but it's better to let some other people get their feet wet with this sort of stuff. It helps get more people involved in the wiki and its upkeep, which is better for its long-term health than if no one learns the ropes and everyone learns to be dependent on a few people. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:26, 9 October 2013 (BST)
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| ::Ok, it's [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] that does the trick, apparently. We had an issue with it previously, where any text provided would push down content on every single page, and that would wreak havoc with pages that had fixed elements, such as every page with custom titles (it'd push the actual title out from underneath the custom title). The fix is straightforward and you can see it in the page's history. It'll still be hidden behind the custom titles, and we'll be limited to only a line or so before it starts to get awkward, but it should work.
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| ::Oh, and I'm basically moved at this point. I have another load or two of miscellaneous junk to transport, but all of the furniture is done, and the move is thankfully just across town. I finally got my computer setup put back together last night, so I'll likely be back on more often sooner than I was expecting. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:38, 9 October 2013 (BST)
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| :::Perfect! And yeah, I will do my best to let the volunteers do most of this part of things. I don't think we should put up the sitenotice and such until the messages to groups are out, so I'll make it clear that's the priority when I send a message to volunteers, probably Friday-Saturday. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 16:10, 9 October 2013 (BST)
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| == ruse de guerre ==
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| Article 37. – Prohibition of perfidy<br />
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| Therefore- I submit that Doug's actions, while naughty, do NOT qualify as perfidy according to the to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, rather I would say it falls under a ruse de guerre. The "deliberate planting of false information" is a standard practice and common in warfare. And furthermore, he was still flying the PKnights colors. So- I would say that I was hoist with my own petard. Well played, sir. Live and let die, --[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 02:20, 10 October 2013 (BST)
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| :Were I not still "flying the colors", as you put it, I'd contend that I actually would be guilty under Article 37§1.C, given that I had provided an indication that I was a non-combatant. Admittedly, it was a ruse, and, in fact, it's one that's been in place for years, but rarely ever pays off in visible ways (though I'd wager it's helped me silently more than once over the years). To say the least, it brought quite the smile to my face when I saw that it had worked its magic here. Even so, you couldn't possibly have known, but I actually struggled for several hours with how I should respond. You know what my final choice was, of course, but it took me quite a long time to reach that decision.
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| :Also, just to be clear, when the Knights welcome an individual, either to our home or to a location we are maintaining, such as the petting zoo, we are always genuine in our invitations. Those are never ruses, and we truly will refrain from killing, since the point of our educations is to point individuals towards those places. If they're there, then the lesson has been learned, and no further education is necessary (some exceptions apply, though none in our current engagement).
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| :Anyway, think about what I said, and I look forward to seeing you around. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 04:19, 10 October 2013 (BST)
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| == GSGM ==
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| Hello Aichon, and thanks again for volunteering to help out with the [[GSGM 2013]]! The main phase of this year's GSGM is just beginning, which means there are [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre/2013/Volunteer Organization#Current tasks|a number of tasks]] for volunteers to help out with. These include adding information to suburb News sections and contacting groups on their talk pages, as well as some other items. Feel free to check out [[The Great Suburb Group Massacre/2013/Volunteer Organization|our volunteer page]] for all the details. Have a great day! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 13:53, 19 October 2013 (BST)
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| == On your UD Item Combiner, Organizer, and Sorter script == | | == On your UD Item Combiner, Organizer, and Sorter script == |
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