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Aichon

ˈīˌkän :Talk Archive 2014

Announcement: I'm no longer active. My talk page is still your best bet to get in touch. —Aichon— 04:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

This is an archive. Don't post here.

If you have anything you'd like to add to one of these conversations, then go to my talk page, reference the relevant conversation from here, and post your comments there. This page should not be edited by others. These are all messages I've filed away. They shouldn't be changed or added to, since the contexts of the situations have been lost, forgotten, or could simply be remembered differently by the involved parties. I'd prefer to start any of these conversations fresh, if they must come up again.

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On your UD Item Combiner, Organizer, and Sorter script

Love it, thanks a bunch! Just one thing, the fire axe does not show up as a button under "weapons". I checked the script and you have the "fire axe" listed. I will try have a deeper look at some stage to see if I can find a fix. Well thanks again! Wez 06:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

That's actually expected behavior from the script, not a bug. If you do a search for "fire axe" through the code of the script, you'll see that it appears twice: once in the weapons list, and once in the wasted clicks list. Basically, the script is set up to hide any buttons that don't actually do anything (some of which consume your AP without doing anything). The fire axe is one of those buttons, so I went ahead and hid it. I'm reconsidering that decision, however, since I can see the appeal in wanting to know what items you have in your inventory, even if you're not clicking the buttons for them. That said, if I did make them show again, I'd probably have them appear as text, rather than as a button, that way people would know they had one, but wouldn't waste clicks/AP on them. Thoughts on that idea? —Aichon— 15:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, I noticed this to check for multiple axes to drop. I have since flagged the axe as auto-drop in settings, problem solved! --Wez 06:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Adding those items as text would be a good addition I think. I've been using that script for a couple of years. I've gotten used to checking the drop item list for stuff not shown in inventory, but this would mean I don't have to. ~ _{17:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)}

A change of tactics or heart

Noticing your renouncement of PK'ing for your one character is a kind-of nice surprise, I must say. And not because I don't approve of PK'ing, which I don't, but that I do recognize it as a part of the role play aspect, and it is more difficult to fight the good fight, giving us a challenge to look forward to. Welcome to the other dark side, we have cookies! --Wez 05:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I have no comment at this time, other than to point my former comrades towards this discussion, since I do feel that I owe them an explanation. —Aichon— 05:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your help on my rather crude page with the strange letters problem. Obviously, I am not exactly tech savvy, so I do appreciate all the stuff you folks do to keep the Wiki going. Thanks again--Belisarius17 01:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. The wiki had an unfortunate technical glitch a few days ago which resulted in those sorts of characters appearing all over. We're trying to clean them up as we find them, but as I've said elsewhere, I expect that we'll be finding them for years to come. —Aichon— 15:32, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Hoddmimis Holt

It is more than some poem. The poem (and the category name) are rather meant in direct reference to Project Ragnarök. It is an excerpt from the Edda about Hoddmimis Holt, the place where two humans are meant to survive Ragnarök in order to rekindle the human race afterwards. Allow me the odd instance of whimsicalness every now and then -- Spiderzed▋ 18:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

In the interest of redundancy, I also exported the pages, but as current revisions only. The file was only 1.5MB. I also just had an recollection about the last time I did this. We may not be able to import the pages afterwards. I believe the export feature is only for transferring pages to another wiki. I believe when you do an import, you can only import to page names that do not already exist. You may want to test it. ~ _{21:36, 6 March 2014 (UTC)}

Riddle me this

WE have and want the Burchell Arms. We want to make it a Zambah BAr.Give me some suggestions on how to reflect that. Otherwise it looks like the Arms is still Survivor Controlled with a meaningless sidebar at the bottom... Just saying this seems completely one sided. They no longer OWN it. We OWN it, we've been OWNing it; Tell me how I can resolve this. I mean, unless all you want is some pretty coding, I can give you that if so. I just want to clarify before I put all this work into it just to have someone reneg it. Let me know. I wont touch the pages till I hear back. I'll work on some basic Page forming and get a rough draft going in the mean time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raining Fire (talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 March 2014.

The problem with your edits wasn't so much wanting to update the Burchell Arms location page (which is both allowed and very welcome), as was the complete replacement of the page with a single sentence, destroying all the content like basic structure, categorization, danger report, mini-map and pretty much everything else. Completely wiping out the Burchell Arms Regulars group page didn't help either. - If you want to edit constructively, a start would be to keep the structure and pre-existing content of the page as it is, and limit your edits to the areas meant to reflect current events (such as Building Status, Historical Updates, and the related danger reports). -- Spiderzed▋ 21:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Let's back up a step and make sure we're on the same page on some stuff.

The BAR (The Burchell Arms Regulars) is a group that resides in The Burchell Arms (a bar). The BAR page is theirs and theirs alone to do with as they please. You're not allowed to edit it without their permission, since groups own their own pages and generally get to say who edits them and how.

In contrast, the location page, much like any other location page on the wiki, is owned collectively by the users of the wiki. You are welcome to edit it, but edits must be kept neutral, given that the location page is not yours alone to own or control. The current location page uses virtually the same basic structure that every other location page uses, though it's clearly been filled in with more details than that link I just provided. Given that the BAR is a notable group that has resided at the bar for years and years, the location page quite naturally reflects the undisputed fact that they have had a long-time presence there. At the same time, however, you have just as much right to edit the location page as they do, but because your efforts at that location are relatively recent, they'll naturally occupy less of the page at this time.

If you want to get out the message that you own the bar, the most effective way to do so would be to make a group page, which you would control fully and which you would be welcome to edit to your heart's content. As for the location page, beyond updating the news and status sections, there's not much you can really do. I'd definitely suggest updating the DangerReport for the location, that way it shows up as ruined on various maps around the wiki. You may also want to add a small mention regarding your group in the description section of the location page, as well as a link to your group page. Add a link to your group page to the group listing for Rolt Heights too, that way others know you're there.

Also, since you and I haven't interacted before and you have no particular reason to trust that I'm impartial in this matter or advising you fairly, the truth of the matter is that I actually do have a history with this particular location (in addition to a history of participating in and leading zombie hordes). In fact, a group I'm in evicted the BAR members and piñatad the Burchell Arms location 21 times over the course of 23 days last year. To say the least, you're not the first one to "own" the location, but you won't find any mention of our "ownership" on the relevant pages, since our "ownership" of the location in the game didn't give us any right to wipe out the history of the location, and we also understood that our presence there was but a heartbeat compared to the lifetime the BAR had spent there. Long story short, try and keep things in perspective and remember that none of the pages you edited are ones that you have sole ownership of, despite what might be going on in-game, hence why I suggest you make your own group page. —Aichon— 22:02, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Just wondering but what aspect of the Burchell Arms is being described here? "The B.A.R pledge to maintain all these facilities according to the barricade plan of the area (below), as well as providing both safehouses and revives for locals." It is following the BAR talking about their glorious deeds maintaining other buildings in the area. Although the cade level (for the arms) certainly seems relevant as does mentioning who maintains that cade level, what does BAR providing revives and maintaining other buildings have to do with this building? I was under the impression that the description was for the building not for what good deeds the groups occupying it perform. --_K 21:12, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

If you go back and look at it in context with the preceding sentence that you didn't quote ("The pub has excellent strategic importance due to its proximity to two hospitals, Schreiber Drive PD, and to the east in Pescodside are the Clewett NecroTech building and the Otto Street revive point."), it seems apparent that they're talking about the strategic value of the bar given its proximity to other important locations, and that the bar is used as a staging point for revive and reclaim operations in the area. I'll grant that it could be rephrased more neutrally (much of the page could, if we're being honest), but the gist of it is an okay one, I think. —Aichon— 21:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for being thorough. That being said... Can I go in and add "Used to" to all relevant sentences? Just asking if this could be a good start? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raining Fire (talk • contribs) 00:04, March 15, 2014.

I think you would have to hold the building for more than a couple of days, before doing something like that. The Burchell Arms is once again powered and at EHB. And even then, please be respectful of what others have created, even if it's only historic (talking about other parts of the wiki here, as it's pretty clear that BAR is still about) -- boxy 00:26, 15 March 2014 (BST)

Yup. It changed due to this. WE stopped because why put the time and effort into it if it's going to be... you know what. Read up thar ^ I don't have to explain myself to you. Now that we have this newfound information. IT WILL BE OURS. There was a cease fire. Bureaucracy. Happens. Raining Fire 00:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Funny. Because I was one of the feral zombies who helped you get into, and clear out the building originally. I then wandered off (as did others, no doubt). I figure that's got more to do with why the building reverted to survivor control, as other building in the area quickly do, after zombie break ins. Most zombies in the area keep moving, to find fresh meat -- boxy 00:41, 15 March 2014 (BST)

Thanks

Well, me and my friends are happy for your help! Albeit for differing reasons. Me and my friends are there for some cold beer, goodtimes, friendship all around. (Sadly, I'm the one of the two whoactually Gives a F* a bout the wiki. I'm hoping that'll change if I could only Find some Random Horde that would love our ideals, Still working on the images for the page but I hope I can get it up soon. (lol) Tl;Dr Need to have something fancy to show my buds.)

Hey, I'm glad to offer advice, especially for folks that are just getting started on the wiki. There definitely is some bureaucracy around here, but by and large, so long as you try to be polite to others, give them the benefit of the doubt, and work towards making the wiki better for everyone, you'll find that you can make quite a few friends and get your message out there more easily. I'm sure we'll get the pages sorted out so that the BAR and you can both agree with the results. :) —Aichon— 19:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Question

The barricade policy is pro-survivor, no? Raining Fire 21:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Are you asking if even having one is POV? If so, then that's a subject for a debate that's been going on for years and that I lack the time for at the moment. Pragmatically speaking, however, barricade plans are allowed across the whole wiki, simply because they're a resource that nearly every player, regardless of side, can use. After all, even zombies can benefit from them by knowing which targets are likely to be squishier or where they should camp their rotter so as to hamper revives. That said, they must still be presented factually and as neutrally as possible. And if the very presence of the barricade plan offends your zombie sensibilities, some of the suburbs have examples for how zombies can have equal treatment for their side (though they're rather silly, if you ask me). —Aichon— 22:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll point out that the issue with NPOV is more taking sides rather than explaining them. There's some discussion here talking about these sorts of things. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

A helpful little gnome. WIN* Just saying. Anyways.. HERE. Blunt and to the point. "Double POV isn't NPOV, a great example of this is Ridleybank in which both sides have a barricade plan up. Both are in POV because one side doesn't want barricades, the other one does." Aichon, best guy out there so far, your POV? Raining Fire 01:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The reason why we don't (or shouldn't) make a habit of putting zombie barricade plans where-ever there's a survivor one is because the zombie plans do not provide useful information. They aren't informative; they don't tell you something that you didn't know before. Barricade plans do have a point-of-view. It has a side. Explaining this side (that survivors have a barricade plan) is fine. This is a game; it has sides. This wiki describes the game. It makes sense we talk about the sides. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

^^^ this. As AHLG said, the issue is more with taking sides than explaining them, since all significant viewpoints should be taken into account and noted, to paraphrase something Revenant said. If we're sanitizing everything to the point that it becomes equally useless to everyone, the wiki will have defeated its whole reason for being. Even so, things can still be presented in a factual, neutrally-worded, even-handed manner, even if they are regarding one side or the other, thus allowing them to remain NPOV. —Aichon— 04:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Intelligent Conversation

About a game I've been playing since 2005 * Sidenote * I'm having a blast with the geek speak. /Just Saying/ . I knew this was going to be hard... ARgh. Just one thing I wanted to say, besides the fact that page has been, *protected* Is the disclaimer. I mean. I honestly don't think I was that harsh in my edits, but criticism is welcome. And about that barricade deal... It's POV then right? That's what I got from it.

"Please note that all contributions to The Urban Dead Wiki may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here."

Btw, So many run-ons! I just don't want to break out in an angry rant, so everything has been.. edited. XD Raining Fire 12:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Question

I was wanting to gauge interest regarding an potential in-game event. Is there a place on the wiki for such a thing or should I just throw up a new page and see what becomes of it? There is a place for developing wiki stuff, which makes sense, but it would seem that there would be a similar place for in-game events. --_K 21:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Community Projects? It can be used for in-game stuff as well and is a decent way to try and gauge interest, since the old-timers all watch it, and the youngin's see it on the main page. —Aichon— 21:03, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought I'd looked and it was for wiki only, but it seems either I imagined that or am stupid or both. --_K 21:43, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

UDICOS

Not sure if you've noticed but UDICOS and the DSS Sat Phone scripts seem to conflict. With both active the DSS Sat Phone doesn't work at all. I'm not sure if switching the order helps at all since the newest version of firefox/greasemonkey don't seem to support reorganizing the execution order of the scripts. --Sephikus ^T 12:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmm...I seem to be unable to reproduce the problem you're describing. Could you describe it and walk me through it in a bit more detail? (EDIT: I just reproduced it) Near as I can tell, with the latest Firefox/Greasemonkey, the satellite phone button either shows up in the "Others" or the "Unknown" section of your inventory, depending on if it executes before or after UCICOS, respectively, so everything up to that point appears to be working okay. Is it something after that that's broken?

And it looks like it's still possible to rearrange execution order of items in Greasemonkey, simply by right-clicking on them in the Greasemonkey pane and telling them to execute sooner/later/first/last. You can also sort by execution order in the top right of the userscripts pane.

Anyway, if you can help me out with those details since I don't have my own satellite phone number to test this stuff, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks! —Aichon— 14:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I think I see the issue now, and yup, it's an order of execution issue. UDICOS needs to be executed before the Satellite Phone. S, go to your Greasemonkey pane in Firefox, sort by execution order, and move UDICOS to "execute sooner" until it's before the sat phone. See if that fixes the issue for you. I'll let Sophie, the author of the sat phone, know the problem, and I'll add a note to UDICOS as well regarding compatibility. Thanks! —Aichon— 14:27, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

And I just now noticed that this is a known issue mentioned on the Sat Phone page. Anyway, you should be able to follow her instructions to get yourself back up and running. If those don't work for some reason, please let me know and I'll look into it further. —Aichon— 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah sorry didn't notice that until just now and didn't realize I could reorganize the entries by right clicking. It works now. Thanks for the prompt response. --Sephikus ^T 15:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

No worries. I'm just glad it was something that had already been identified and had a solution, rather than an arcane problem. :) —Aichon— 15:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Uses of Custom Title

I'm planning on going through the transclusions of Custom Title template and cleaning up some unnecessary uses of the template and thought I'd ask you something quickly. I'm a little confused as to why some pages have used Custom Title templates simply to copy their actual page name, align it left and leave it looking exactly the same as what it would if it custom title weren't used at all. Some examples are The Haynes Monument. Before I remove them I wanted to ask if there's an added functionality to this use of it that I'm missing? If not, I'll wipe them. A ZOMBIE ANT 03:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Nothing that I'm aware of. I'm guessing maybe someone just c/p'ed some text from elsewhere? Maybe a stalker has a better idea. —Aichon— 03:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll start cleaning up the few that exist. A ZOMBIE ANT 03:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, why do you think Tactical_Resource_Point's bod of content is templated? Seems a bit unnecessary. A ZOMBIE ANT 03:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm thinking that was done just to keep things sane. It's a lot easier to move one line around when revising a page than a thousand, and some of those templates have quite a bit of code/text. —Aichon— 03:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah. fair enough. A ZOMBIE ANT 03:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Group Active

Just wanted to say, as I don't know if it would have been put up, but Malton Safe Zone Security is re-active. Sorry about the inactivity, I just hope it isn't scheduled for deletion. I probably won't re-edit pages until I find someone to revive me... which is taking longer than I expected.... Jerrack 07:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

We really don't go around deleting inactive groups like was done in the old days. These days, the only groups that get deleted are ones that have a line or two of text on their page, or else ones that are inactive and camping on a name that someone else wants to use. And no need to apologize. It's not a problem if a group goes inactive. That's perfectly fine. :) —Aichon— 19:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Are we allowed to make categories specifically for pages in the User: namespace?

As it says on the tin. I know it's silly but I was thinking of placing the pages of a UD-style mini-game (like the ones using AHLG's templates) under a category. Wasn't sure if it's allowed or otherwise. It's just so I can have all those pages linked to one another without having to "play through" the entire story each time I need to fix something. Thank you in advance! -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UT)} 07:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Categories are fine, though it sounds like Special:PrefixIndex may also fit the bill, and it wouldn't involve having to add a load of categories to a load of pages. E.g. All of the pages in my userspace. —Aichon— 07:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

SpecialPrefix could be used for what you need, and using that method could theoretically be used for AHLG's game too. For example, prefixindexing "DanceDanceRevolution/sandpit" brings up only the sandpit pages with that prefix. Similarly, out of the billion pages in AHLG's namespace, you could bring up each "level" by adding the level as a suffix, for example, "A Helpful Little Gnome/Church" brings up the church section. There's no reason why you couldn't just use categories, but the advantage of this method, I'd imagine, is that it's automatic. The disadvantage would be that once you'd made the name you'd only be able to search using that name so you'd want to make sure it was all planned in advance. A ZOMBIE ANT 08:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both for your answers! Each side of the mini-game had pages that had a common prefix, so I'm glad this kind of automation exists. I would have dreaded editing each of the pages manually just to add them into a category. Is it just like searching by prefix? -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UT)} 12:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Yup. If the page is named "User:X/AWESOME_NAME", you can search for "User:X/AWESOME" and get all of the results that match, including AWESOME_NAME. —Aichon— 14:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again! :D -- ^{(stalk · KT · FoD · UT)} 22:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Image Size

I reduced it to 27KB! Is that better? ^_^ --- Alex Yamata 14:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

It is, but you also lost your transparency, it appears, which means it looks a bit odd on a purple background. ;) —Aichon— 14:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixed! Yeah, noticed that the last second. And I couldn't update the picture, kept giving that MIME thing that pissed me off. It's now a gif with 37KB, sorry! Could you delete http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:RecruitEmblemHUC.jpeg ? --- Alex Yamata 15:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, I put Hyper-Umbrella at the bottom because I thought Hyper- as being like "the book." You'd put "The Book" in B, right? --- Alex Yamata 15:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

When it comes to lexicographical ordering, prefixes are not skipped. Generally only articles (e.g. a, an, the) are skipped. And sure, I've gone ahead and deleted the image. —Aichon— 15:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Coding Your Talk Page

Jeezes holy shiz you did a lot of work here. I just went to look how you did you header and it links to a dozen other templates holy ffff... Amazing work Aichon! --- Alex Yamata 15:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. And yeah, there are quite a few template calls, for better or worse. —Aichon— 15:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Roleplay Notice Category?

I thought I'd give it a category since it's used so much, and it would help people find other roleplay groups and players... but I don't think the code I used seemed to work... Template:RoleplayNotice --- Alex Yamata 16:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes there's already a tool to do what you want and you don't need to do any coding at all. ;) —Aichon— 16:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

There goes my suggestion out the window! >:P --- Alex Yamata 16:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

O-o... d-did I re-post a giant thing of text you had deleted? I ...I don't know what I did... I'm sorry :x [1] --- Alex Yamata 16:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit conflicts. They happen. No worries. —Aichon— 16:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The Wiki Past

Holy crap I stumbled into some dark times of the Wiki. Banning of Amazing, the PQN, that wiki coup, everything else, goodness! What have you sysop's suffered? I know this has nothing to do with anything but bringing up the past, but really, I can't have already seen it all, have I? And to think, I found it all through that weird trenchcoater.jpb file... Aichon how much have you had to deal with similar to that stuff? That shiz was crazy! I am never going back again! --- Alex Yamata 16:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I actually arrived after most of that stuff, since I first showed up in the autumn of '09. Things have, for the most part, been pretty positive since then. Amazing and Grim were both unbanned, as were several others, and the wiki has kinda settled down (or died off, depending on your perspective). —Aichon— 16:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Amazing's Wikigate and Grim's coup were definitely the two biggest bombs in wiki history, but there have definitely been hundreds of mini events that give me a headache to remember. Most of them revolved around Iscariot. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Was the coup about like, Grim removing sysop from everyone or something? What did Amazing do? --- Alex Yamata 12:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It's hard to explain without a fair amount of context. In a simple, opinionated form, Grim s was a sysop known for being very hard to deal with on the wiki. He became a bureaucrat and not long after he was accused of using his sysop status as a way to bully users and fellow sysops into constantly having his way. The final straw was when he debated that a Historical Group nomination wasn't applicable, and in the heat of the debate, he simply removed it completely, citing that it wasn't valid. Whether he was using his sysop status inappropriately is up to debate, but the overarching theme of the misconduct case seemed to be that the long-term interactions with Grim had caused many members of the community, including many sysops, to feel that he was a detriment to the team and to the wiki community.

Was it a witch hunt? Probably. Was it warranted? I don't think so, but when it became apparent Grim was going to be demoted, he seized control of the wiki and implemented his own new wiki constitution, so to speak. He didn't do it to stop himself being demoted, he had this new system planned for a while, but due to circumstances outside of his control, only had this moment to implement it. He did, sysops dobbed and Kevan demoted Grim personally and reinstated all the sysops. So after two weeks of the most intense drama the wiki has ever seen, Grim took control of the wiki, basically with crazy manifesto in hand, and was smite down. It was the greatest end to an amazing buildup. Like, no context can really explain how jaw-dropping that half-an-hour was when Grim had declared the wiki his. It was something I called up my IRL UD friends about to let them know what was happening because it was so insane. Then I got laughed at.

It changed the wiki forever (seriously). A ZOMBIE ANT 13:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

As for Amazing, that was before my time in the very early days of the wiki, but basically Arbitration was used a lot more back then to solve conflicts between users. Basically Amazing apparently put up an arbitration case against a score of users, and then it got split into like 20 individual cases, and just engulfed the wiki in madness for weeks on end. Then Amazing ended up getting banned for something. It was all very wild-west in those days of the Wiki by the looks of it. A ZOMBIE ANT 13:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Grim was in no immediate danger of being de-'crated or de-sysoped, since I wasn't for it (or actually around for the event to form much of an opinion). Everything was in everyone's head. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It was all for fun and games. The wiki became an extension of the game and became a second battlefield for players to fight in. Amazing was a controversial user, with a lot of hatred towards him. He decided to go against a lot of power users in the wiki and the game, which lead to his downfall. But, despite being on the opposite side of Amazing when the entire thing built up, i kind of got sad when he was finally banned for life. He was a worthy foe. I eventually got in touch with him and managed to get him unbanned from the wiki, but the wiki was a different place then. But, yeah, it was crazy times back then :) --hagnat 19:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration

Is an Arbitrator like a sort of judge? --- Alex Yamata 12:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

More like a mediator than a judge, though the roles are somewhat similar at times. Basically, two parties come to them with a problem, and it's the arbitrator's job to find out what the best solution is, which usually means a solution that neither side is happy about so that they're encouraged to solve the problems between themselves in the future.

Also, if you're poking around looking for things to do, I'll point you towards this guide. It's not exactly applicable to you at the moment, since you haven't expressed an interest in being a sysop, but some of the stuff in there would apply to someone interested in just helping about, particularly the stuff near the end. —Aichon— 12:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking to be a sysop probably wouldn't end up well, right? On the side of wiki use, I haven't seemed to be very stable, and wiki function, I'm sharing my computer with my brother (Though he saves his sign-in info, I don't) --- Alex Yamata 12:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

If you tried to sign up as a sysop right now, I seriously doubt it'd end well, but I can't speak towards how the landscape will look in a few months. —Aichon— 12:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a more private place I can talk to you about something? I suppose it can be done here, I just have a preference for something like this to be elsewhere. Forum PM or Email? --- Alex Yamata 12:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

IRC work? Just click the link and give it a screen name, and it'll take you to the #udwiki channel (i.e. the chatroom for the wiki), which is relatively private, since only Revenant and myself are there at the moment. But I'm a bit tied up right now, since I'm under a deadline and at work for the day already, so I'll be answering in between that stuff. —Aichon— 12:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Just Looking For An Opinion

And if it was good, I guess it could be considered my first Wiki work. The Acourt Arms was really messy with all those dates as headers, so I cleaned it up, reformatted, and even made an Archive... was that good in your opinion? Not 'good enough,' I mean, should I not have done it? --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 16:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

My honest opinion to a change like that is "indifference". What you did is fine and there's no problems with what you did, from what I can see, but I'm not sure what the goal was. If the headers being confusing were the issue, you could have switched them from being == to being ==== headers, that way they fell under the Current Status heading, rather than standing out from it, which would also allow you to keep all of that information on the main page. If the issue was that there was simply too much information on the page, then archiving it was the right thing to do.

I dunno. Any lurkers reading this want to chime in? I'm rather apathetic towards building location pages, since I tend to let the people who actually care about the location do what they want with it, so pretty much anything reasonable is fine by me. —Aichon— 16:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I fixed it from looking like this, where every single date had it's own header [2] To this The_Acourt_Arms/Archive --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 17:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I've made changes, so that the dated status reports become sub-headings, instead of a higher level heading, otherwise, it's all good. No real need for long out of date status reports to be on the main page. Some people put them on the talk page, rather than an archive, but as long as there's a link, it's all good -- boxy 15:47, 26 July 2014 (BST)

But why'd you make another link to the Archive? --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 10:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Because I didn't notice the one you put in, until after the page saved Feel free to remove one of them -- boxy 12:40, 29 July 2014 (BST)

Bye Aichon

The game is 75% dead, or better yet, The Dead. Earletown is now Ghost Town, so revives take an eternity to get. And to make it all worse, the Unholy Trinity have made me their sworn enemies because my Operatives decided not to revive them, so they literally are camping my H.Q. and killing me every time I revive. Thanks for helping me out, but I'm done. Tell DDR I'm sorry for the nasty things I said, I do appreciate what he tried to do that long ago. Bye --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 18:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you considered simply moving elsewhere in Malton? There are plenty of places that could use an eager and capable person. —Aichon— 19:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

They follow me and my friends. --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 20:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't advertise where you are. ;) —Aichon— 20:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

It isn't really advertising, but I guess metagaming is what the game is about anyway. Also, I don't broadcast it, I pm my friends on my own forum. But it's cool. --- _{Alex Yamata} ^Pres/CEO _{HYPER-UMBRELLA} ^P! 04:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

bug

I thought I noticed a bug, but it just turns out I was confused by the icon colours. Are factories supposed to have the same colours as warehouses on the minimap? A ZOMBIE ANT 11:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Warehouses aren't supposed to be colored at all unless you turned on the visibility for them yourself by modifying the code. Is a specific warehouse being colored in? It's possible it's miscategorized as a factory. —Aichon— 15:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

"Current Status"

Most building pages in the wiki have a section called "Current Status," whose last update is usually from 2008 or 2011. Given that the Danger Report at the top of the page makes such a section 100% redundant anyway, would it be OK if I started going through and deleting the "Current Status" section from building subpages? -- Jen ^{T | SFHNAS | PK} 08:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd suggest an Open Discussion on the topic. I'm fine with you archiving the old ones, but I never really cared about them at all, and I'm not in a place of authority where I can answer that for everyone. —Aichon— 14:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

remove min required votes

yup, i voted nay back then. But they were different times, we still had a lot of active users both ingame and the wiki. This is no longer the case. --hagnat 19:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Yup. I was just poking fun because I could. ;) —Aichon— 21:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

so, how are things doing for the wiki ? need someone to fuel some drama and bring some life to misconbitration ? --hagnat 04:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Eh, I guess things are winding down is the best way to put it. Or maybe that they're approaching the "long tail" on the graph, so to speak, where very little activity happens for long periods of time. There have been discussion recently about how to handle things in a sort of low maintenance mode. Maybe redefining the roles or term lengths/evaluation procedures for the various admin-type folks around here so that we don't have to go through bureaucratic administrivia to no end.

We haven't had legitimate drama (i.e. drama that spanned the wiki and pulled in everyone, rather than just being confined to a ridiculous case or two in arbitration) in so long that I really have no clue how it'd be handled these days, but it seems like most of the folks who are still around are seasoned in dealing with drama and handle it in a pretty no-nonsense way when it comes up. Plus, most of us have known each other for long enough that we can defuse our own potential drama before it becomes drama, just because we know that the other person probably didn't intend it as it sounded.

If you ever held onto any Grim-complex notions of staging a coup or remaking the wiki in your own image, now is a good time to try and make that happen, I'd say, since as I mentioned, there's a lot of interest right now in trying to lay the right foundation for the wiki that will last it basically until its end of life, and I think most of us are open to radical changes. —Aichon— 14:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

meh... i never had a God complex like grim did, so i will pass on this opportunity. Not to say that the wiki already had a lot of me in it. It was me who created or improved most of the tools in here, after all.

my 2¢ on how to work around here is forget these damn rules, forget about re-evaluation, and keep sysops on the payroll even if they become inactive. The more psyops the merrier, i once said.

Anyway, good luck running things around.--hagnat 19:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I think most of us, myself included, are coming around to that way of thinking. I've been thinking it might be a good idea to basically ditch EVERY policy and rewrite things from the ground up in a short, sweet, simple way that gets rid of the legalities and focuses more on simple principles. And yeah, there's been some talk about making the current sysops into benevolent dictators-for-life, more or less, with re-evaluations maybe only coming around in cases where there's actually a problem. —Aichon— 19:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Nup. The more boring a wiki is the more it's because it's working. Sysops are only fun during drama and we don't have drama now cause we don't have anything to whinge over. R/E got rid of the bad sysops, the trolls have gone to pastures new and it's just us anal freaks hanging around in our domain. We won. Savour it. A ZOMBIE ANT 12:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

--Alice Gravesend (talk) 20:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

New users can't make wiki accounts

Hello there! I just want to inform you that for the past few months new members cannot sign into this wiki. This is the message that keeps coming up. "Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information." I was hoping that you or any of the admins of this wiki page can look into this and solve the problem. I sent this message to Boxy as well. It would help this wiki come back to once how it was. Thank you! --LuE Colo 20:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey there. Thanks a bunch for passing that along, since I was completely unaware of it. I actually saw your message a few days ago on IRC when you first mentioned it there, but I wasn't around to respond at the time. Anyway, I've confirmed that it's happening for me as well, so I went ahead and e-mailed Kevan (the guy who created and owns all of this) about it. Beyond that, I'm afraid there's not much else we can do, since the sysops don't have the ability to access the back-end of the wiki. —Aichon— 21:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

Hey,sorry you have to clean up after my shit....I know it must be frustrating doing it....sorry again.im trying to fix it!--PayneTrain^(FU) 07:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Ehh, it's a way to pass time while watching YouTube videos at the end of the day, but please do get it figured out. If it keeps happening to full pages of comments from other people, like one of them did, you're liable to land yourself on A/VB for continuing to do it when you know it's a problem. That'd hardly be a fun way to mark your return to the wiki. —Aichon— 08:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah,ill try only posting from my Laptop but i can't gaurentee it with Radical running around :D,btw can you take a look at my Sig and see if its all good there?--PayneTrain^(FU) 09:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Looks like valid syntax to me. The font tag has been obsolete for a few years and is no longer valid in newer versions of HTML, but most browsers are still smart enough to recognize the old stuff and know how to use it. If you want to update your sig with some newer code, you might consider the following, which has been updated to more recent standards and for future-proof maintainability purposes (e.g. tossed in some extra fonts for people to use if they don't have the ones you specified):

[[User:Paynetrain|<span style="font-size:1.4em;font-family:impact,monospace,serif;color:#f30b0c;">Payne</span>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<span style="font-size:1.4em;font-family:'poplar std',verdana,sans-serif;color:#0a1cf2;">Train</span>]]<sup>'''([[FU]])'''</sup> which looks like PayneTrain^(FU)

If the fonts look different (particularly for the "Train" part), it means that you didn't have the Impact or Poplar Std fonts installed on your system, and that what you've actually been seeing this entire time is the system's or browser's default font (typically Times, Arial, or something else similarly bland). I just looked up Poplar Std though, and it seems most similar to Verdana among the web-standard fonts, so I'm using that as a fallback if someone doesn't have Poplar installed. —Aichon— 16:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey! thanks!!! it looks great! Im gonna use it right away!!i wont mind if you tweak it up a little more...you know change the colors--wink,wink;)--,change the font--wink,wink;)-- and make it as awesome as your sig --wink,wink-- just with my name.only if you're not too busy :D --PayneTrain^(FU) 09:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome! But as far as tweaks go, you're on your own there. I'm afraid I'm rather wrapped up with work and after-work stuff these days. That said, it shouldn't be too hard to tweak things how you want, since the signature has the same structure that it had before. —Aichon— 16:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey,its cool....sorry,I have a talent for pushing it... :P--PayneTrain^(FU) 03:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

That feeling when...

...our temporary zombie group, that's been dead for a year, has nearly as many active and tagged members as some of the 'big' survivor groups on stats. Big Bash 4 - 15, The Fortress - 19, Army Control Corps - 17. FEELS GOOD. --BOSCH 17:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Hah, yeah, I happened to check the stats page a few days ago and was surprised to see that we're still showing up, despite it having been over a year now. I guess we resonated with a few feral folks who are keeping the tag alive.

I briefly had one of those, "Ya know, maybe we should do a Big Bash 5..." moments after seeing we were on the stats page the other day. Thankfully, I came to my senses a few seconds later when I realized a few things:

1. If we wanted to aim for the traditional summer launch, we'd have to start doing prep and laying groundwork now
2. I'm certainly not inclined to take on more of the day-to-day responsibilities, which is the part we'd need the most help with
3. We don't have anyone stepping up who can do or is willing to do what you did for BB4 (and that person certainly won't be me!)

Seriously, I doubt anyone, myself included, will ever appreciate the full extent of the effort you put into making BB4 go so smoothly, simply because you did it so well that it made it seem as if it wasn't being managed at all. I just remember how when we had a week where you were gone, things started unraveling because Vapor and I didn't have a grasp for just how much you were handling all by yourself. You made it look deceptively easy, and every time I remember that it looks a lot easier than it actually is, I realize why we won't have a successful Bash until someone is willing to step up in the same way you did and sacrifice their time in the same way that you did.

But hey, if you ever go insane and think leading BB5 sounds like fun, I'm guessing I could find a new Bash wiki page design in my head somewhere, and you know how to get in touch with me. ;) —Aichon— 16:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I kept the tags all the way up to the point that I idled. I even joined two groups but kept my BB4 tags. I also smile every time I see stats and there's BB4 one year later. ~ _{17:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)}

So

How badly has the update broken this place? --Rosslessness 20:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Ehh, minor things here and there. A CSS update should be able to address most of the issues, I think, and Kevan has already indicated he has plans to do so at some point. —Aichon— 21:14, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Image Uploading

I can't seem to upload any images. I get: Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/f/ff"

Was wondering if you could help with this. Thanks!--Alice Gravesend (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I can't help, but Kevan (the guy that runs the game) is aware of the issue and has said he'll look into it. —Aichon— 19:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I thought Kevan died. Ok, thanks.--Alice Gravesend (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to bump an old thing, but not only can I not upload images but many images seem to be broken... and I fix them. I think this issue is with resizing, but... idk. Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this but you seem to be 'in the know' and active... you know what's going on? Everything looks ugly :( --BATTEUR_lightsout 20:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

It's related to the relatively recent wiki software upgrade, but there's nothing we can do about it from our end. I have issues in Chrome with the images being broken, but for some reason they show up in some other browsers. I have no idea why. And yeah, image uploading remains broken. I wish I had an ETA on when a fix would be in, but I don't. —Aichon— 20:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Wait, What?

Where did checkuser go? How can I check IP checks. ?--Rosslessness 20:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

...huh. I can't find it either. Stalker sysops, any of you guys know? —Aichon— 23:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Stalker sysop here. Can't find it either. It's an extension? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:20, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Did we lose it in server migration? --Rosslessness 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The checkuser user group is gone too. Robin Ross, to the Kev-Mobile! -- Spiderzed▋ 13:47, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Even though it's gone, we're all still members of the group. —Aichon— 15:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

There was a separate checkuser group that was independent from the sysop group. You had to be assigned to both to be a fully functional sys-op, as I recall from my thrilling 'crat days of yesteryear. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)