Talk:Envy/News

I'm wondering what you are referencing regarding claims the Sysops are somehow 'sweeping under the carpet' edits on this wiki. A ZOMBIE ANT 11:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

fake news Rememberwhenpeopleplayedthis (talk) 16:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

More whining is expected. --Murderess (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Can't wait for this to be dismissed as "whining," but lmao at the zerg conspiracy theories. If you don't want to get called out for killing the defenders of Caiger Mall...stop killing the defenders of Caiger Mall? It'd certainly be easier if we were the ones also attempting to break in - then we could tell ourselves to bugger off.

In short, loves and kisses you crazy lady until you swing back to Caiger again. We'll keep the lights on. Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 16:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Did you know that most grand ideas and theories were thought of by people that were deemed crazy ? Thanks for recognizing my work ;) --Murderess (talk) 17:00, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you're no Einstein. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 22:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

"The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." - Carl Sagan -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}01:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Rhetorical ? --Murderess (talk) 02:22, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

No, it's pretty clear. People laughing at geniuses does not imply that you are a genius, just that people are laughing at you. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 05:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

:wink:-- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 10:51, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

FAUX NEWS CONTINUES

"They claim to be the defenders when in fact this scenario is establishing they are plotting to use their The Dead alts to ruin it and blame ENVY in the process."

You don't have a whit of proof to back this up. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 21:10, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Has that ever stopped Murderess before? Living in her own fantasy world... Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 21:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

you can play idiotic all you want, the survivors have history on you and you can't escape it with witty. Keep coming at us PKers ! Proof ? Bring it on, I'll post it asap ;) Let me guess.. all of the sudden you'll actually care for Caiger ? lol --Murderess (talk) 21:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Sometimes I wonder if she has a legitimate mental illness. Just nonsense on nonsense, hoping someone takes her seriously. Sad, really. :/ Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 21:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

The believable response would be to, you know, post your proof of a long con instead of just saying "soon". --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 00:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I've been accused of zerging, taking over the wiki and of literally trying to destroy Urban Dead. She has yet to give proof of any kind whatsoever, only bland, poorly-spelled blather about how she has all the proof in the world yet for some reason never feels like revealing it. Because, in fact, she does not. This becomes funny when you see irrefutable proof that ENVY has officially and flagrantly alt abused in the past. IIRC, her current stance is that none of those screenshots constitutes cheating in any way. Narcissistic personality disorder is a hell of a drug. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}01:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

It's almost like both the dead and the fod didn't use third party software to collect info from hordes of accounts. Maybe im mistaken, but I don't remember seeing infobots being allowed anywhere, they are just accepted (due to being enforced on users without actually telling them what the scripts do). Cheating, maybe not - abuse, certainly. You can't get all that data manually so easily, it would take too much time.

Just before some idiot says "but we logged the data manually before, so it's just to make it easier.." - No you didn't. You didn't have a log of 2 million+ accounts. You didn't update all of those buildings you came across. You found an easy exploit. -- ∀UDIO∀TTACK (talk) 08:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Whoa! Audioattack, the guy who got kicked from The Cleaning Crew for being besties with confirmed zergers, is lecturing the FoD and the Dead on what is cheating and what is not? Whoa! I'd like to see hard proof of all your claims, but you'll probably just throw a shitfit instead and try to delete this whole conversation as is your usual modus operandi. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}13:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hilarious. Again, I have no idea what you're talking about with "random scripts the users don't know what they do," certainly doesn't ring any bells. Regardless, your own history apparently gives lie to your fake protestations of concern for the "fair play of the game." Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 13:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Peng - By you acknowledging EE I have proof that several groups is using an infobot which as stated might not be cheating, but definitely giving all non-users a disadvantage. I left TCC on my own, due to you guys being toxic crybabies - you're in their discord I assume, should be easy to paste an image of the part where I was "kicked out" - I will actually consider this a requirement for future conversation with you to prevent any more conspiracy theories from your part - stupid people might end up getting tinfoil of their own.

Sniper - I wouldn't expect any pawn to know, ask your boss Gardenator perhaps. But let me shine some light - here is the scourcecode that your group used. https://github.com/crisisking/udbraaains. -- ∀UDIO∀TTACK (talk) 18:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Egads, user script source code! Our secrets are revealed and we are doom'd! --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 19:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Your point, dear Audioattack, was that there was mysterious code users were forced to run that they had no idea what it did. Still waiting for proof of that. Looking forward to more nonsequitural nonsense.

Also what's your point - people use scripts to play the game better? Something that happens in literally every browser game I can think of? That's the great crime of the day? Lol.Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 20:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I notice that in some groups the users are told/asked to download a script but not always get the full explanation of what the script does. Enforce might be a strong word, so let's say it's an easy way to get new users to run the script and thereby providing info to the pool. EE is a good example as several users have no idea what the script in reality does - share their vision, location etc. What happens when a users decides to walk around solo or use an alt account? Info gets pooled and used by the infobot users, same as before.

My point was never mysterious code, but that everyone here is claming not to abuse something in some way when in reality they either are, or did. - I believe I provided both of the applications in mention, Brains + Electric Eye, and Peng pointed out the ENVY altabuse. I really like that you cling on to some words I wrote in a message about botting like it was meant for you, but as you would see, Brains is old enough to have been inactive for a while so clearly I wasn't thinking about that. Use them though. I don't mind at all. But nobody can wash their hands here, we are/were all dirty fucking cheaters. Own up to it instead of throwing accusations everywhere. :) -- ∀UDIO∀TTACK (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Too long; didn't read. --【ⅎooɹd ǝʌɐɥ ᴉ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ⅎǝᴉɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞ】 ☉ ☉ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 23:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Game over -- ∀UDIO∀TTACK (talk) 23:47, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I mean like the Murderess he's white knighting, any valid point made in his general direction will be rationalized away no matter how many knots he has to twist himself in. Nothing for it. Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 23:54, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Right, so Audio, I'm still waiting for actual proof. Regarding EE, you've only made even more wild claims without evidence backing it up. Where the heck does anyone force anyone to download EE? Where does it collect info from "hordes" of accounts? Where does it log 2+ million accounts? (That'd be quite an achievement, seeing as how only 2,300,00 accounts have ever existed in UD, period. Are you saying we have literally everybody's data?) What does an "infobot" even mean, and where does it say it is not allowed? You do realize that giving non-users a disadvantage is semantically the same as giving the users an advantage. So... are you asserting that a tool is only acceptable if it doesn't give the users any advantage, i.e. if it is useless? Better ban UDBarrista then.

Also, you *do* realize that repeating the same dog vomit claims over and over isn't the same as actually providing evidence that proves anything at all. But feel free to give it a shot anyways, I'm sure you will.

Regarding whatever tool the Dead uses. Big whoop. Show me where in the code it actually does shady shit. All I see is a disclaimer in the readme that survivors are prone to call it cheating. Which is true, here you are, making that particular claim, but still I don't see any basis or real proof behind it.

As for my proof, mine is here:
I'm afraid I don't have access to your screaming fit at DoX. No worries. I'm sure you can supply it yourself. Assuming you didn't delete that conversation in a hail of blubbering and tears like you regularly do for your talk page. -- ^{FoD PK Praise Rando!}02:34, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you appear to have dropped a mic. Here you go. What else needs to be said? Sniper4625 #4625 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 02:44, 17 July 2018 (UTC)