UDWiki talk:Administration/Policy Discussion/Sysop Guidelines Review
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Please let me know what you, the community, thinks is an acceptable timeframe and edit count for an average ideal sysop application. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 05:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
I think the amount of edits is less important than the content. 250 should be adequate like with the de-escalations, but could also be hard to rack up purely in the adminstrative edits. I think Bob said 150, that seems like a fine amount too if the content is considered. (Im focused on your edits DDR, as you work in areas that perhaps are forgotten, making your work more important than updating a dangerlevel) -- The Artist Formerly Known As AudioAttack (talk) 06:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Bob indeed offered a thought of 150 edits, but said either 150 edits per 6 months or per 2 months could work for him, depending on the 2 month user lifespan change... He offered that data afterwards that showed that several users on the wiki do have enough edits in the past month that would average out to 500+ over 6 months, so I don't think 250 (what I have suggested so far) to be too much personally. I think if we stuck to a 2-month period like Bob considered, 150 edits would be quite suitable. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 06:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
I think 6 months is fair, since that gives enough time for regular wiki users (or even not-so-regular wiki users) to be able to see what contributions are made. However, two months and 150 edits for a long-time wiki user could possibly be fair as well. And while 500 edits is still possible, I think halving it is fair also. Six months is plenty of time to make 250 edits, and considering there are plenty of projects around the wiki that can be done, it's not an entirely unachievable amount. Has there ever been a distinction from long-time users and new users in terms of criteria? stelar Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge 12:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Not in terms of the guidelines- the decision a community makes on whether someone is ready has usually fallen on more qualitative attributes, but these guidelines have usually been a good way to give newer users a gauge on the criteria we should generally look for. THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER 23:24, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Question. Does anyone actually seriously consider the number of edits over however many months when determining whether to vouch for someone? (And I mean, apart from obviously joke bids.) I certainly don't; so why include this criteria as written? -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, something about this didn't quite sit well with me, but I couldn't put a finger on it until you asked that question. Why not drop the restriction altogether? Nobody that I can think of who was otherwise going to succeed in their bid ever waited to hit X edits before submitting their bid. They either already had the edits or they weren't going to succeed anyway for other reasons. Really, the only reason I can see to keep the restriction is for its educational value: it lets unqualified people know that they're unqualified. But we're already happy to tell them that as it is, and we're not really drowning in earnest-but-unqualified candidates last we checked, so I don't see the harm.
- If we do keep the restriction, perhaps consider rephrasing it in relative terms, e.g. a sufficient number of edits to understand who they are or determine their character or something else of that sort? 50 edits or 5000 edits, it really doesn't matter much to me these days. It's more about who the person is and what they do when they are forced to interact with other people. —Aichon— 19:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps let the user provide xx amount (10ish) edits that tell something about what kind of work has been done, when they apply? - would make it easier for non regulars to see what type of person they are to vote for or against. Having 5000 edits is not worth much if they are trolling and/or danger updates.. -- The Artist Formerly Known As AudioAttack (talk) 19:44, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
