Talk:Iron Cross Brothers (original)
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I'd just like to mention to you guys that when you claimed control of Fort Creedy, you were (probably accidentally) tresspassing on the Creedy Defense Force's turf. I doubt anyone will mind if you stick around Fort Creedy, but I can promise you that the Creedy Defense Force won't appreciate you performing a hostile take-over. I'll direct some Creedy Defense Force officials to this page so they can clarify stuff so I don't accidentally overstep my bounds. Erados 19:08, 18 February 2006 (GMT)
I added a small section to your Wiki page to bring attention to this. The message above was from a while ago, and things have changed. I suggest you go to the CDF Diplomacy Board and argue your case there. There should already be a thread named Iron Cross Brothers. Erados 01:25, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
Offensive
Yeah, I'm Jewish. And this is offensive beyond belief. Take it down right away. Saromu 02:44, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
Not really...
So there are pictures of guys in jet black 1930s era uniforms with jackboots on? So this group chooses to take on the style of early 1900s Fascism? I don't see a problem with that. If they were taking on the style of blatant outright NAZIISM, then i'd have a huge problem with it as well! But, there are no swastikas anywhere, there are no racial slurs, nothing. There is nothing offensive on the wiki, there are no hate phrases or anything of the sort! Why don't you guys look at all the factors before making broad assumptions?!?!?
The fact that you guys are like "OH GEE, THEY HAVE 1930s GERMAN MILITARY ERA CAPS AND JACKBOOTS! I GUESS THEY ARE NAZIS!!!" shows just how ignorant you people really are and how you can't distinguish the difference between naziism and early 19th century Fascist imperialism. If you can find me ONE, just ONE racial slur, just ONE offensive remark, just ONE of any of the sort of offensive racist/anti-semitic/hate-crime statements that you claim in this wiki/group, then it deserves to be taken off! But I don't see any of that, and that means that you have no grounds for removal of this group and/or wiki!!
.... come on, people.
Second Opinion...
I have to agree. While I hate the orginal Nazis and everything they stood for, I don't believe this isn't a Nazi group. Modern Germany uses the Iron Cross even today, does that mean that Germany is still run by Nazis? It's tacky to kill people because you don't like their group. Killing off a single group of people because you don't like them. Where has that happened before.
It is in this statement that the Final Resistance. declares themselves neutral to the actions of the Iron Cross Brothers. Unless they invade Creedy.
Ahem.
I know the two individuals who run the ICB. Though I am not affiliated, I can assure you that in no way do they wish to represent nazism in Urban Dead. The one individual is a Jew himself. The other is a Brit. As mentioned before, just because you don't like a group of people, doesn't mean you go off and slaughter them. Hypocrites.
A Counterpoint
Here goes: [Editing History of the ICB Main Page] Why did you edit it to add "From zombie infection?" or to take away the references to Naziism?
You're obviously covering yourself up.
Ask anyone who survived WWII what they think of this group and the pictures of the SS Officers. Ask them if it brings back any memories. Ssofficer6qo.gif That's the name of the first officer on your Wiki. I couldn't find one through quick searching of Google, but I'm sure you found this online, saved it, then uploaded it here. But this alone proves that they ARE talking about SS Officers, which proves that there are references to Naziism. And learn to sign your posts already, Atomini.
Also, I looked on the Wiki - the real one, duh - and I noticed something weird. Explain why your ranks are almost exactly the same as the insignias and ranks of the SS? [1] And then you say, no ties or references to Nazi Germany? Hah. You guys bleed Naziism.
- Erados 14:36, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
- Erados has an excellent point. Furthermore, until they altered their page to cover it up, their stated goal was to bring their Iron Rule to Malton. We are on good terms with a number of other survivor groups in our area, but we will not allow anyone to bring Iron Rule to anywhere under our protection. I don't care if they're Nazis, Stalinists, or a bunch of lost Khmer Rouge. This is a general principle of our organization, and one we consider worth defending. Enoch the Watcher 17:35, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
I do not approve of the links to the SS rank structure, and i was going to suggest to my friend that they be taken down. I also do not think either of us intended for this huge explosion to happen. I assure you that our intent was merely to roleplay a very hardline Zombie Killer group, one that was modeled loosely on a teutonic millitant theme. Though i concur that the use of 1930s germanic millitary structure and pictures are mildly offputing, I hasten to remind you all i have seen far worse that was considered acceptable in other corners of the Net, and, given that the primary founder of the group is a russian jew, i was under the impression that he probably knew better than I what was acceptable and not.
And anyways, PKing people when they are offline is level with any possible offence we have inadervtently caused, and i feel our decleration of war against the PKer and his group to be justifiable.
Our claim to Malton is Roleplay spiel, and anyone who takes it seriously is probably just as insane as the people we aim to roleplay. Our claim to Fort Creedy and its surrounding environs has been dropped, and we apologize to the AoG and CDF. --Vextra 17:43, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
- Listen, we were griefed for _months_ by people who claimed to be devotees of the f***ing God of Beer and Titties. A bunch of fascists goose-stepping all over the place would be unsurprising after that. All in all, though, I appreciate your forbearance and definitely suggest RPing somewhere else. Enoch the Watcher 17:59, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
I agree with Enoch, it's best for everyone of you leave Creedy. At least one member of your group speaks sense and isn't an immature git. Thank you. - Erados 18:04, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
A disclaimer has been placed.
An OOC disclaimer has been placed at the bottom of the wiki page indicating that the group are NOT Nazis. I hope that this clears up any hard feelings circulating and I hope that this also brings many people to a proper understanding of the group, instead of a blunt "OMFG TEH GERMENS AND TEH IRON CR0SSZORZ R TEH NAZIS!!!!111212oneoneone".--Atomini 20:58, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
Again you prove your... asshole-ness. Everyone who commented about your group wrote clearly and correctly. So you can oneoneone right off. Get the hell out of Creedy, scum. Enoch himself issued a banning. 20 hours left and you're fair game. There's plenty of people waiting, hoping you won't leave. Armed. - Erados 21:26, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
An invitation to further talks
I would like to invite the Iron Cross Brotherhood to send a representative to visit the Fort Creedy Boards once again, so that we may resume our discussion concerning your group's wiki entry. During the deletion vote on your group's wiki page, there has been mention that you would be willing to modify this entry, and we would like to know your future intentions regarding this declaration. Please contact me via PM or via the Diplomacy thread on our boards. --Samroberts 20:43, 8 March 2006 (GMT)
The real CDF (Creedy Destruction Force) also invites you to send a representative to visit the real Fort Creedy Boards (http://therealcdf.proboards59.com/). We could care less about your wiki entry but we do appreciate people willing to make a difference in Peppardville. -1524 23:34, 8 March 2006 (GMT)
Imperial War Machine
Let The Imperial War Machine be the first to request an Alliance with the Iron Cross Brothers. If you accept our alliance, please acknowledge this.--Duce Nauks 19:48, 10 March 2006 (GMT)
Non-Aggression Pact proposal
Since the Iron Cross Brothers and Creedy Defense Force will be operating within the same suburbs, it would be preferable if we hammered out some terms for a non-aggression treaty.
DirtBagDan or Vextra, please reply on my talk page. Or alternativly, can you propose some other neutral forum where we can speak?
--Samroberts 22:35, 12 March 2006 (GMT)
Creedy Defense Force going one step further
The Creedy Defense Force is now standing down to a stance of non-aggression and neutrality towards the Iron Cross Brothers. If any member of the Iron Cross Brothers is inadvertently slain by a member of the Creedy Defense Force, please reach us on our boards, and send a Private Message to CDF leadership, and we will investigate the allegations thoroughly.
We realise that the Iron Cross brothers have sworn to never again to enter the Creedy Defense Boards. We at the CDF believe that anyone claiming leadership of a group should display some form of maturity and avoid such statements. Diplomacy is an important part of leading any group, and the CDF is keeping it's channels open to the ICB on the off-chance you decide to reinitiate negotiations.
Disclaimer: We still do not approve of what you stand for, even if you claim it is only role-play, but we are still willing to hammer out some sort of deal if you plan on establishing yourselves near the area of safety which the Creedy Defense Force and it's numerous allies have fought to establish in the Peppardville/Giddings area.
--Samroberts 19:25, 13 March 2006 (GMT)
