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This page is for suggestions that have 50% or more Keep votes vs Total Votes, but not more than 66% Keep votes, which would qualify them for Peer Reviewed page. These are good, but not quite good enough Suggestions that could (and probably should) be reworked, refined, and resubmitted by a willing, knowledgeable party. Before doing so, please perform the proper research; reading the votes and the associated Talk pages, and adjust your new submission. State on the submission that you are not duplicating, but have revised and are resubmitting for approval.

This is not the place to put new Suggestions. The Suggestions Page is the queue for new Suggestions to be voted on and suggested. Any Suggestions that have not been voted on will be removed from this page.

Notes for Editors

Those who are placing Suggestions on this page should do so under the following procedure:

  1. Take the entire template and paste it into this section.
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  3. Add the field suggest_moved, and then timestamp it with ~~~~~.
  4. replace "suggestion" with "psuggestions".
  5. Please note under the suggestion, briefly, what the controversy was about. It would be good for people to know when revising suggestions and deciding whether to submit a new version of one of these. Because these are necessarily subjective, please sign these sections.

So, the new template should look like: 

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November 6, 2005

Speed Loading

Timestamp: 21:49, 6 Nov 2005 (GMT)~
Type: Skill
Scope: Survivor
Description: Loading takes 0 AP (Can anyone remember who suggested this? It's from the old page.)
Notes: Controversy included complaints about 0 Ap actions, noting that the shotgun/pistol are more balanced with the Axe with reloads taking AP, and a lot of people want little tweaks to this. --RSquared 04:31, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Left Queue: 04:31, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Paralytic Bite

Timestamp: 06:47, 6 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Zombie Skill
Scope: Zombies
Description: This skill is under Infectious Bite. Paralytic Bite allows a successful bite to infect a survivor with a parlytic virus which slows them down considerably, forcing them to use 2AP to move a single block. As per Infectious bite, this condition can be cured with the simple application of a First Aid Kit, or any other future method that can cure Infections.
Notes: Controversy included whether AP damage should 'stack' with infection, people not liking their AP getting whacked, and whether giving zombies this skill would be incredibly unfair to newbies. People liked the idea of slowing down survivors a bit and giving more zombies a chance to munch on them. --RSquared 04:31, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Left Queue: 04:31, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

November 7, 2005

Congealed Flesh

Timestamp: 011:45, 7 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Zombie Skill
Scope: Zombies
Description: This skill fits under the "Calloused" tree. The zombie has a maximum of 60 hit points. This, like "calloused," is meant to give balance to zombies who bought "Brain Rot" early in the game before zombies could get bodybuilding or wear flak jacket.
Notes: {{{suggest_notes}}}
Left Queue: 05:37, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Controversy over whether zombies who got brain rot early should get a bodybuilding equivalent. --RSquared 05:37, 22 Nov 2005 (GMT)

November 8, 2005

Preying or Hunting

Timestamp: 04:04, 8 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Skill
Scope: Zombies
Description: (This listing has been edited a bit, see strikethroughs.)Zombies can forrage for prey like a survivor would search for items. Certain areas would be prone to giving a zombie an instant-use item. In other words, this would not give the zombie an inventory, but would instead give some benefit should they find something. (EXAMPLES: Pidgeons Rabbits in the park, if you catch and eat one, you regain some HP. Rats in the railyard, you eat and regain lesser HP.) The list goes on. Costs 1 AP per search, with the same or lesser percentage of finding something as Survivors get for finding items. Abuse should be relatively impossible if there is a 1 AP cost for preying on critters, and there is a mediocre or low percentage of actually catching something. (Check out the discussion of Preying for more thoughts.)
Notes: 8 keep; 7 kill (including 1 spam). In genre but considered silly by a minority of voters.
Left Queue: 21:52, 27 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Odor of Decay

Timestamp: 19:45, 8 Nov 2005 (GMT)~
Type: Skill
Scope: Zombies
Description: Your smell is so strong that it confuses humans. From any neighboring block, you appear to be three zombies. (So, if you were in a block with two other zombies, the group would appear as five zombies from any adjacent block. If a human actually walked onto your square, he would correctly see three zombies.)
Notes: 12 keep; 8 kill. "I like the idea of zombie stink doing something, and I like the number confusion idea, but the two don't fit together. Make a new skill for the name, and make a new line of reasoning for the skill." --Dickie Fux IC justification is bad.
Left Queue: 22:14, 27 Nov 2005 (GMT)


XP Gained Equals Healing Performed

Timestamp: 21:52, 8 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Mechanics Change
Scope: Survivors
Description: For each HP healed by a Survivor, one XP is assigned. This would allow normal aid pack users to to gain 1-5 XP per transaction, while those with First Aid would gain 1-10 XP per transaction. This gives First Aid a slight benefit, though there is always the potential for gaining less than 5 XP per transaction.
Notes: 6 keep; 6 kill. Prefered Peer_Reviewed_Suggestions#Extra_XP_for_Extra_Healing.
Left Queue: 22:23, 27 Nov 2005 (GMT)


November 9, 2005

Free Running

Timestamp: 11:57, 9 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Skill
Scope: Everyone
Description: This (exisiting) skill should be a Civilian/Miscellaneous skill, not a Military skill, and should thus be moved to the appropriate place in the skill trees.
Notes: 9 keep; 6 kill. "military need to move fast to avoid stff." --Redemptionx8. Argument centered on flavor.
Left Queue: 23:11, 27 Nov 2005 (GMT)

Ear Shot

Timestamp: 13:36, 9 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Zombie Skill
Scope: Zombie Crowding/Movement, Slightly Balancing other human skills other than military
Description: Zombies with this skill will listen more to the silence and can hear shotgun's blasts from 4-blocks away, and pistol shots from 3-blocks away;(edit) This will only show the LAST heard shot and will note the time so there wouldnt be a spam of messages after logging in.

This would cause zombie groups to scatter and possibly waste AP if too zealous to follow gun shots. Also, this would make it so Military users would have to be hastey about being outside and going into too populated areas, causing too much noise could bring the crowds to you.

Notes: 7 keep; 6 kill. Arguments centered on flavor. Detractors also disliked potential for text-spam.
Left Queue: 23:18, 27 Nov 2005 (GMT)

November 10, 2005

Character-perceived event page

Timestamp: 00:39, 10 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Interface modification
Scope: How events are displayed
Description: I would like to suggest the creation of an event page, used to store all the "Since your last turn:" stuff that currently clogs up the map page when you log in. This would serve two purposes:
1. Removing most of the event lines from the map page. Probably all events should be moved to that page, except game news, attacks and death, and replaced on the map page by a single entry describing all of what happened, for example: "7 flares were fired, 3 statements spoken, and 2 other events. Go here for a detail of these events". Attacks and death would show up on both the map page at login and in the event page.
2. Allowing you to view events past the first refresh after you log in. Events could be stored in that page in chronological order (which is probably just the order it's put in the database anyways). They'd eventually be deleted after a few days/weeks/whatever. Depending on the amount of work that's put in it, it could be possible to click a button to have only attacks, speech, or an "other events" category shown.

The page could be available from a link in the bottom left corner of the map page (close to the "view contact button"). I believe this would make the game a bit more polished, and that it could make the game more capable of accepting changes that helps characters see more of what's going on around them, since every new type of event woudn't clog the map page so much.

Notes: 4 keep; 3 kill (including 1 spam).
Left Queue: 00:24, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)


XP for Barricade Assault

Timestamp: 16:38, 10 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Zombie Alteration.
Scope: All zombie characters
Description: Zombies are awarded a small amount of XP for attacking barricades. Currently the only way for a zombie to gain XP is through combat, and due to the danger of headshots zombies often resort to attacking each other. By making barricade attacks more worthwhile, zombies have more of an incentive to fulfill their in-game purpose. The amount does not need to be large; perhaps just 1XP per hit, or 2XP per piece dislodged.
Notes: 9 keep; 10 kill. Overpowered, potential for farming, zombies need no incentive to attack barricades. How about half a point per hit and 1 point per dislodgment?
Left Queue: 00:24, 28 Nov 2005 (GMT)

November 11, 2005

Headshots remove AP, not XP

Timestamp: 16:38, 10 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Zombie Hunter Skill Alteration.
Scope: All zombie hunter characters
Description: XP comes so slowly in this game that losing it is extremely aggravating. It's also contrary to almost every other RPG out there. While zombie hunters should be able to slow zombies down, stealing AP would accomplish this much more effectively. As an experienced zombie, I would much rather lose my AP for the day than lose a week's worth of XP.
Notes: Borderline but passed: 14 Keeps, 10 Kills with both rational and irrational votes on each side. Suggest adding +X amount to stand up cost rather than reducing an AP, where X is either a standard amount or X is the overflow HP of damage caused beyond reducing Zombie to 0 HP. See future suggestion of separating Zombie and Survivor levels when determining XP lost for headshots.
Left Queue: 19:05, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)

November 13, 2005

Batteries

Timestamp: 14:20, 13 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Item
Scope: Survivor Item
Description: Used for powering the battery operated items. Comes in packs of 4, found in malls, police stations, fire stations, hotels and hospitals.
Notes: 6 Keep, 6 Kill, for exactly 50%. The main problem was the lack of description concerning what "battery operated items" are and how batteries are used up.
Left Queue: 07:06, 24 Jan 2006 (GMT)

November 15, 2005

Ankle Grab Revision

Timestamp: 03:31, 16 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Balence change
Scope: Zombies
Description: In the time that I've been playing Urban Dead, I've always noticed that zombies got the short end of the stick. Headshotted, spending a chunk of your hard earned AP to get back up, all of it is disheartening. Then Ankle Grab came along. Ankle Grab changed a lot of things. It made it easier for the zombies to level. But it also made it a lot harder for survivors to clear buildings. There has been many a siege of the malls in Malton, I think every mall has fallen to zombies at some point by now. At this moment, Caiger Mall is embroiled in a large siege. During the defense, I've noticed one thing: It's hard as hell to evict zombies when they can get up for only 1 ap. We've shot them, time and time again, yet they can get back up before we get the bodies out the window. Know why? Ankle Grab. Ankle Grab makes it possible. Survivors cannot realistically survive a siege with the addition of Ankle Grab at this point. I know that, you know that, we all know that. What I suggest is a balencing of Ankle Grab in buildings. I love the skill as a zombie, hate it as a survivor, just the same way zombies feel about Headshot. Headshot was changed recently, so that it was done by 10 XP per level rather than just resetting it to 0. My suggestion is that we do the same for ankle grab. I'm not suggesting that we totally gimp the skill, no, but a simple addition of 1 AP per times you've gotten up in the last, say, 12 hours. (Ie, if you've gotten up 3 times in the past 12 hours, now when you get up it costs you 4 ap.) The maxiumum AP cost it could reach would be 5 (revised from 7), not wholly negating the effect of Ankle Grab, but also not making zombies be able able to get up 8 times in 10 minutes.
Notes: 13 Keep, 11 Kill. Most of the opposition was that this isn't the way to balance Ankle Grab, and/or Ankle Grab doesn't need balancing.
Left Queue: 06:41, 25 Jan 2006 (GMT)

November 17, 2005

Boxing and Martial Arts

Timestamp: 06:37, 17 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Skill, Civilian
Scope: Survivors
Description: This is a suggestion for two skills. First is Boxing, which increases the chance to land a punch to 50%. Boxing would be a prerequisite to Martial Arts, which would make the chance of landing a punch 80%. I think this skill progression is balanced since it does less damage than the fire axe per AP spent. At the same time it could be useful in some situations, such as when an enemy is at 1 or 2 hp and you have limited AP.
Notes: 12/19 Keep/Total.
  • Does this skill transfer to a Zombie?
  • 80% to hit seems like a lot, but it is just 1 point of damage.
  • Barehanded combat against an infected zombie should have a % chance of getting infected.
  • Only useful Skill for (a) starting characters or (b) if sort of weapon breakage/gun jam % chance was implemented.
Left Queue: 14:27, 2 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Revivification Syringes Cure Infectious Bite

Timestamp: 08:03, 17 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Improvement
Scope: Survivors
Description: Both syringes and first-aid kits should be able to cure infections. This makes sense since if it can revive a rotting corpse it should be able to halt the early stages of the zombie plague. You still would want to use first-aid kits instead (except when desperate) because they're less rare but this seems like it should work.
Notes: 13/22 Keep/Total.
  • Survivors who were infected at time of death are still infected when revived. Having the Necrotech Syringe cure infections upon revival wouldn't waste a syringe any more than revives did before, it might actually save somebody else from having to use up one of their syringes.
  • This only works on Revivication; if someone infected was revived, I'd say they take a -5HP penalty on rising if they are now cured.
  • Change FAK to heal health OR an infection (preferencing infection), not BOTH.
  • As it stands now, if you are attacked and infected and a survivor, and you die, then are revived, you will be infected again once you stand as a human. I'm thinking that this is what this suggestion seeks to change, and I agree with it. If a Necrotech Syringe can reverse undeath, surely it can cure infection.
  • I've never understood why reviving a zombie (who is a zombie due to a virus) and making them human would not equally cure the infection.
  • Reduces the horror of infection. Depowers infectious bite.
Left Queue: 14:27, 2 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Make different weapons have different results upon a kill

Timestamp: 18:45, 17 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Skill, improvement
Scope: Suvivors
Description: Right now it does not make a difference how you kill a zombie. I suggest tying different weapons to different zombie hunter skills to add an element of strategy to the game. For instance only allowing headshot to work on a kill made with a gun. And maybe having a zombie hunter axe skill that causes ankle grab to only reduce AP loss by 5 instead of 9. Or a knife skill that causes a killed zombie to come back with only 40hp. And there could also be a bat skill, a crowbar skill, etc. I'm not saying that these would be the skills, I'm just suggesting that it would be nice to have different weapons have different results to add an element of strategy as well as make all those worthless weapons useful.
Notes: 11/19 Keep/Total (late Spams counted as 0, Spam/Kill counted as Kill. Kepp counted as Keep. =) ). Resubmit with a list of suggested comments. Would increase the variety in the usage of weapons. Server load and implementation concerns.
Left Queue: 14:27, 2 Dec 2005 (GMT)

November 24, 2005

Tell me when a player last logged in

Timestamp: 13:12, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: improvement
Scope: all players
Description: I am aware that the player profiles already state when a player joined. But they do not state when said player last logged in. If I'm a noob looking for a group of similar-leveled players to team up with, and I find people who are currently logged out but are the right level and have some experience points, it would be nice to check if they are worth hanging around and leaving messages for. If they haven't been on for three days, I would like to know quickly so I can move on to new shelter and new potential teammates. This would be the equivalent of tapping someone's shoulder and saying, "Hey, you still with us?" to find that they fainted or are merely sleeping.

The only reason I can think of not to add this feature is if it would overload the server with data. But only one extra field in the profile wouldn't, would it?

Notes: 10/17 Keep/Total.
  • I enjoy never knowing if the survivors and zombies near me might start suddenly moving about.
  • This would make it possible to guess if people were out of AP, so you could just grief them.
  • A great ability for PKers to make sure they get kills instead of wounds.
Left Queue: 15:41, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Energy Drink

Timestamp: 13:13, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Item
Scope: survivors
Description: Okay, I resubmitted this idea due to the fact that there was so much initial confusion. This item allows you to recover 2 (or maybe 3 AP). Drinking this will not bring you over the 50 AP limit. Specifically searching for this item will waste more AP than it is worth. However, if you do stumble upon it, it is best to hoard it until you really need it. Can be found in malls and in clubs.
Notes: 15/28 Keep/Total.
Left Queue: 15:41, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Character Management Page

Timestamp: 22:30, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Improvement
Scope: All Players
Description: There should, possibly, be a main player page that one sees when they log in displaying all characters they posess. This could be achieved by logging in under your main or favorite current character account and 'adding' your other characters by putting in the name and password.

Basically you'd log in and see a main page with the name of each character, its current AP, and weather it is alive or dead. These are the basics I think should be there, more info could be added if the server load is justified.

This idea REDUCES server load. Think about how many people log in to check on their character and see if they're under attack, see how many AP they have, or do a couple searches with the 3 or 4 AP they have. With a main screen from which you could view your characters, you wouldn't have to log in AS that character to check one aspect - which would save the server having to show you the MAP, the PLAYER LIST, the ROOM INFO, and the SINCE YOUR LAST TURN events, which would all be shown when you choose to actually play that character of course.

Could just click the name of a character on your User Page to log in as them and begin playing. Succeed or fail, I believe this suggestion would reduce server load greatly by showing AP and Live-or-Dead status without map, events, description, userlist, inventory, etc.

"Let's see. Bob1 is alive. Bob2 is alive. Bob3 has 40 ap so I'll play him and leave 1 and 2 to regenerate."

Notes: 7/11 Keep/Total.
Left Queue: 15:41, 9 Dec 2005 (GMT)

November 25, 2005

Brawling

Timestamp: 19:00, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Skill
Scope: Survivors
Description: Brawling is not Martial Arts. That said, people with the Brawling skill (below body building or hand to hand) would get an additional and 15% chance to hit with all BLUNT instruments. Crowbar, Pipe, and Bat. (Does not affect crowbar's use on barricades.) It's just that simple.

Unanswered Questons: Should the enhancement be given to Fists as well with this skill? Shold it translate to zombies since they can use blunt instruments?

Notes: 6/11 Keep/Total.
  • Debate raged over weather broken bones would cause more damage than a knife cut.
Left Queue: 03:27, 14 Jan 2006 (GMT)


November 29, 2005

/me action

Timestamp: 14:41, 29 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Additional button
Scope: Survivors
Description: Anybody who ever used mIRC should know what I am speaking about. A button, next to 'speak', which uses the same box and gives a similar result, but only the character's name is shown, not the said, " " stuff. Also, this shouldn't strip "'s. Zombies don't get this skill, to prevent abuse of zombie speech.
Notes: 9/15 Keep/Total.
  • It's not like people EMOTING stupid stuff would be any worse than people SAYING stupid stuff.
  • One Problem: "/me attacks you for 3 damage." This can make people freak out and run. Fix - different color or italicized text.
Left Queue: 16:57, 14 Dec 2005 (GMT)

November 30, 2005

Mutant Strain / Necrotherium

Timestamp: 06:44, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Class
Scope: Zombie, Game
Description: PRELUDE?

Playing as a zombie, and talking with others who play as zombies, I've noticed that being dead isn't all it's cracked up to be. Sure, we're immortal??but being part of a swarm and dealing with the "Glass Ceiling" for skills makes things a bit tedious. There aren't any real classes for zombies, and the RP potential is low. That is the major reason for my submission. I do not believe that this idea will pass into the game, or receive any Keep votes, but if it gives anyone an idea that is actually GOOD, well . . .

THE CONCEPT?

The Necrotherium, a monstrous undead creature. It is essentially a zombie, only much more dangerous and chaotic. Think of the Licker, Bandersnatch, or Crimson Head from the Resident Evil series, only bigger??what I'm talking about is essentially an undead tyrannosaurus. It differs from true zombies in that it is very strong but can act only as an individual.

CONDITIONS FOR TRANSFORMATION?

I have a few ideas, but I don't really like any of them, so I'll leave it up to you guys or Kevan. UPDATE: Thanks to some suggestions, I've realized it's best if the Beast comes about accidently, so I'm sticking with #2.

1a) After gaining Brain Rot (or perhaps Ankle Grab), a new skill becomes available for purchase: Mutant Strain. Once THAT is gained, it becomes possible for the zombie to become a Necrotherium. If the zombie enters a cemetery it is given an option called MUTATE. If pressed, the zombie loses all his AP and absorbs the necrotic biomass of the cemetery. Once 10 (or possibly more) AP are gained (regardless of Ankle Grab) the zombie is able to stand up as a Necrotherium.

1b) Same as above, only after gaining Mutant Strain, if the zombie enters any outdoor area with more than 5 (or 10, 15, 20, or whatever) dead bodies on the ground, the it is given the MUTATE option.

2) A revivification syringe has a 1 in 150 chance of turning a Mutant Strain zombie into a Necrotherium (in this case, Mutant Strain should be much easier to acquire, possibly available once 5 Zombie skills have been earned). A limit would be placed on the number of Beasts possible at any given time. I say at least 20, because one for every five suburbs isn't too much to deal with.

PLAYING AS A NECROTHERIUM?

The Necrotherium has lost much of its sensory capability during the transformation, and as such cannot distinguish between survivor and zombie (or other Necros)??all players are described as "Meatsack" or some such thing. For example, the area description would read "There is a Meatsack here" or "There are many Meatsacks here" with no HP counts or anything else. It's important that numbers have no definition to the Necro player. When attacking, there will be no dropdown list, just an ATTACK option. Likewise, other players will only see it as a "Necrotherium", since it has mutated beyond recognition. Also, the Necro would have little perception of its environment??all locations would be seen as "A building" or "An open space". These rules prevent the Necro player from coordinating with other players, such as a zombie horde. The Necro must be on its own.

In addition, the Necro cannot enter buildings, since no door would be large enough for it. As this is the case, the Necro has no reason to attack barricades, and cannot even see them as being separate from the buildings themselves. These rules prevent Survivors from being specifically targeted as prey.

Because of its increased mass, the Necro ought to have a high amount of HP, such as 100-300 (I think 250 is fair). It is immune to infection, headshots (pointless, see below), and revivification, and cannot be healed, or use Digestion or items (including any flak jacket defense). When attacking, the Necro actually attempts to hit three different targets (one for each claw and one for jaws), meaning that each time a Necro attacks, three different players may be injured. Note that if the Beast attacks just one player, it can only do one limb's worth of damage. The hit percentages and damage caused by these attacks are carried over from the skills of the original zombie. If a Necro is killed, it loses all its XP and degenerates back into a corpse, becoming a regular zombie again (who may or may not need to relearn the Mutant Strain skill).

Once a zombie becomes a Necro, it loses access to the old Zombie skill set (like when being revivified into a survivor) but gains its own smaller set. Something like:

  • Sprout Tentacle
    • Extra Mouth
    • Extra Tentacle
  • Necrophagy

Sprout Tentacle would give the Necro the ability to attack four targets at a time (the fourth treated like a tentacle, 2 DAM 30% TO HIT). Under this skill would be Extra Mouth, and Extra Tentacle. A fully upgraded Necro would be able to attack six targets at a time. Possibly there might be a Necrophagy skill that would allow the Necro to regenerate 3 HP for each half-hour spent in a cemetery (in which case, a Necro would need some flavor text to know it is in fact IN a cemetery).

A Necro could also have the option to roar, which would be treated in the same way as a flare ("You hear a terrible bellow x blocks north y blocks west"). It would be interesting if the "birth" and "death" wails could be heard as well.

EFFECTS ON THE GAME?

The way I've outlined it above, I don't think the Necro would have any significant negative effect on the game. It would give Survivors and Zombies a common enemy, and since Necros can't hide in buildings, hunting them would be a bit fun. Simultaneously, it would provide a metagame for bored zombie users.

IN CONCLUSION?

I humbly await your ridicule.

Notes: 15/33 Keep/Total. The rules say that this goes to Rejected, but it's being placed on Undecided. It garnered 33 unique votes, which is not generally seen. Most votes were passionate, including the Kills, and many would prefer to see this concept reworked before suggesting Keep. This is a definate candidate to be revised and reworked. Intelligent votes are kept intact below. Minor votes have been removed.
  • Kill - I'm not too keen on the way they're spawned with the dead bodies and whatnot but it's an interesting idea. The problem is if zombies had something other than suvivors to pursue, something that was just lying in the open, why would they bother hacking down barricades? Also, since suvivors usually stay inside the Necrothingies would probably just attack zombies.
  • Kill - But I LOVE this suggestion - so, change rather than kill. I love it because playing a zombie is a thankless task and it needs to be made more fun - having a very small chance of playing out the rest of your zed's life in a blaze of gutsmashing glory would certainly give the life-challenged characters a peak to aim at. I also think the suggestion is in genre. I don't think it works entirely as it is. Here are my suggestions for improving it: 1. Change the name - necroflaviwhat is too long and hard to shorten. Why not simply call it a beast? As in 'a beast attacks you for 17 damage'. Seeing a beast walking towards me would give me more of a fright than a necrojobbiething. Second point: becoming one of these things (I'll call them 'beasts' from now on) is weirdly tortuous and out of character for the game. On the other hand, I loved your idea about revivication syringes going wrong. Why shouldn't they go wrong from time to time, and what on earth could the results be? Given a sufficiently slim chance of it happening I think that that should be the sole mechanism - zombie must be brain-rotted for it to happen of course. Third thing: I would say that having a bunch of beasts roaming around the game, regardless of how difficult the game becomes for them, could spoil some of the fun. My suggestion would be, rather than giving a slim percentage chance of getting a bad syringe, just limit the number of beasts there can be at any one time. A number between 1 and 3 does it for me - say, when a brain-rotted zed gets jabbed it may become a beast and until that beast has been killed, there are no more chances for others to become one. I like the suggestions for limiting the beast's abilities and alegiances along with the massively high HP. Best, most fun zombie suggestion I've read.
    • RE - Yeah, I don't care what it's called. "Necrotherium" was just the first thing I thought of, and it is admittedly screwy. I like your limited numbers idea, though. The reason I made the transformation process so complicated was to cut down on the number of zombies willing to go through with it.
  • Kill - The idea sounds fun, but since it can't enter buildings or break down barricades, you're stuck with eating...other zombies. I like Aberration better.
  • KILL No, it is over powered and some firefox additions would give the three the ability to corordinate beyond believe. Imagine three of thos things standing on next to the other on seperate squeres in the open! It would slaughter everything that moved! So no, it is unbalanced, and it is to hard to kill at that.
    • Re - I was thinking of a number closer to 1 than 3 but you are right - it wouldn't even take a firefox extension to be able to make a beast recognise building or character types - just another browser open with a different character, a look at the map or a friend on IRC/IM. One big beserk zombie at a time wouldn't be so bad though and it would encourage more collaborative gameplay (on both sides) as well as giving the zeds something to wish for.
    • Re? While these are somewhat relevant objections, you can see I went out of my way to stagger the Beast's power. It can't enter buildings, break down barricades, or even choose its targets, so even in the unlikely event of a firefox hack, the strategic capability of a Beast is hampered. That's because the idea is meant to be fun, not an attempt to power up the zombies. This is an MMORPG run on HTML, people. Not D-Day.
  • Kill i agree.. zombies need to be more powerful.. but this wont do that. this will make fewer zombies and more necro-thingiemabobs. Also, resident evil is a bastardization of the zombie genre.. espeshily in some of its newer incarnations. Zombie games shouldn't be about running from giant indescribable monsters.. they should be about running from zombies. that being said, zombies need to be kicked up a notch YES
  • Kill - Change it so that there is a limit (very small limit) of these mutants and you have y support.
  • Kill - Hey look, I started a trend with my suggestion about Aberrations. Giltwist 15:35, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)
  • Keep - I LIKE IT. No matter what you say, if it's open to vote i can vote Keep. I like the idea of the beast forming on the graveyard best, too. And you know what, author? Ankle Grab, Infectious Bite and Surgery were all suggested here and shot down before implemented on the game. So, no worries. Kevan reads the Rejected ones, too, and if he finds them interesting, he codes them! It's all up to him, after all, so don't let the Kill votes bring you down. Keep on suggesting.
  • Keep via Vair's suggestion on brain rot + syringes, no extra skill necessary, though I like the name "Necrotherium." Sexy. It's a nice counter to all the 'nerf brain rot' whining that's been going on lately. More thoughts on talk page.
  • Keep/Change - This sounds like a great suggestion along the lines of "Zombie Elite." However, I don't like the idea about attacking 6 targets at a time. I'd also like the Necro to be able to attack barricades in order to aid other zombies' attacks, though. Otherwise, it would have no use other than as a sitting duck in the street that survivors would avoid, and the poor Necro would be forced to ZK (or whatever's in front of it) for XP.
  • Keep - I think this and the Aberration suggestion I helped work on would take the game far into Resident Evil territory, and I realize some people aren't crazy about that. However, because of the fact that there would only be a few of these things running around (and maybe none at all), and it's temporary, and most of all the term "meatsack," I like it. It might make a good event, rather than a permanent addition; January could be Resident Evil month, or something.
  • Keep Finally, a really cool idea that's actually really hard to abuse. Just adds a bit of fun, doesn't unbalance since it's impossible to aim, or at least very hard. I suppose you could write down where you were when you transformed, or find a corner of the city and work places out from there, or something.
  • Keep - I Like the idea, but make a special revivation serige so that they don't just kill every zombie in a suburb. The seringe would turn them into a zombie again.
  • Kill I'm sorry, but this griefs zombies too much and overpowers survivors! That's right, it would actually benefit survivors rather than make a common enemy! You see, survivors can easily just duck into barricaded buildings and simply wait out the storm. Sure, zombies can still attack, but they'd be better off trying to break down barricades to hide from the monster, of which survivors would then go on to waste them once inside. Plus, attacking 3-6 players at once will make it DEVISTATE hordes! Zombies aren't supposed to have to hide each night like survivors do. Besides, this game isn't supposed to be a ripoff of Resident Evil (despite it being a great game, as well!).
  • Keep - This is incredible. It will fix the balance problem because so many people will want to become Necrothiums that they will want to be zombies. And then when too many people become zombies it's ok because most of the things on the street are Zombies so it would end up killing a lot of them. It's a really cool idea too. But I don't really love the way you become one (either that or I just don't really get them). I think it should be more based on getting to a high level and then getting the skill of "Mutate" (that would cost a lot of XP) and then going to the proper place to Mutate. Also, about the name: I guess some people don't like it but I think it's fine. If you change it make sure it has Latin in it like Sineanima - "without a soul". Lastly, you should be able to hear them from a few blocks away.
  • Kill - I don't like this. Dedicated zombie hordes would keep reviving their zeds until they'd all become these beasts...and these things are WAY too powerful. You have to think about ways these suggestions can be exploited. This one can be exploited a LOT. (have an alt scout out your attack area beats your "cannot target" safeguard, etc.) I also do not like that "attack multiple targets in the same action" bit either. So, kill.
  • Keep/Change - I think fighting something like this would make for a kickass event. The changes I would make are as follows: Chance to become a necrotherium is one/ten thousand; only one necrotherium can exist at one time; creature heals one hp every half hour; creature sees barricades as strong buildings and can attack barricades; Those who hit the necrotherium get double experience; Kevan doesn't tell us when he instates this major event.
  • Kill -- Zombie xp pignata. And pointless, plus possibly out of flavour. This cannot enter buildings, thus it will attack zombies almost exclusively. Zombies will die, and not care since they don't lose xp. However they can attack it for xp... So in short no one will really care except people who gain xp... far from any type of "Terror"
  • Keep - I'm not sure I like the fact that they'll only be attacking zombies for the most part, but this suggestion rates pretty high on the fun scale. Even if it doesn't get implemented in the form it appears here, I'd like it if this made it to the main suggestions page just to increase the chances of Kevan reading it and possibly getting some sort of inspiration along these lines.
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Radios for Group Communication

Timestamp: 06:51, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: New Item
Scope: Suvivors
Description: I suggest a new item for suvivors in groups: radios. These walkie-talkies could be found in police stations, fire stations and mall tech stores. Very simple: you can use radios to mass send a message to everyone in your group who has a radio (they're using the same frequency as you). Radios would have a range limitation and only send messages to people in the same suburb. This is different than mobile phones! Mobile phones are good for talking with specific individuals across the map. Radios could be used for mass messages like "We're battling them off at the Wyck Fire Station, everyone get your butts there" and "Wyck Fire Station is a lost cause. Don't come, we'll regroup at (34,28)". Radios would not need powered masts to work either because they are for short range communication only. This item would let groups that stay close together operate with greater coordination, just like in real life.
  • Optional: Requiring a "Radio Operation" skill to use them. Kind of interesting to have a skill just devoted to improving group communication. What do you think?
Notes: 7/12 Keep/Total.
  • Add an imposed skill and high ap like 5 per talk, that would reduce spam drasticly.
  • Make it a civilian skill, so it would take at least 100 xp, and it would take 5 ap per communication, which would allow only 10 communication on a specific frequency, which in turn would not allow a sufficiant room for uselss spam
  • These radios act something like a group chat.
  • This is point to point, person to person communication - thoughtful expansion off the mobile phone item and does much to promote teammwork and RP w/out creating an undue benefit to survivors.
  • Add seperate channels to help cut down on spam
  • Balanced, as long as it requires a skill to use.
  • Dissent: Cell phones, anybody?
  • Dissent: Peer_Reviewed_Suggestions#Report to Authority is in Peer Reviewed and is a fine implementation.
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Yummy Brains

Timestamp: 16:25, 30 Nov 2005 (GMT)
Type: Skill, Prerequisite:Digestion
Scope: Zombies
Description:

Whenever a zombie with this skill lands a killing blow, using a bite attack, on a player without Brain Rot, it feasts upon the yummy brains inside. The zombie gains additional HP, equal to that gained by digestion.

The extra HP may become temporary bonus HP, in excess of normal maximum HP, up to a ceiling of 60 HP. For example, if a zombie with this skill can kill three other players without taking damage, it could have 60/50 HP. But once those temporary HP are lost, they cannot be regained except with another meal of tasty grey matter.

Ex-survivor zombies with bodybuilding will not find this skill particularly useful, since they already have a true maximum HP of 60, but the extra healing still helps.

Notes: 10/16 Keep/Total.
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