Template talk:Troll
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How it's being currently used
I hate flagbox templates on discussions. Why? they take a lot of space, attract unwarranted attention to themselves and you're using it the same you would use a CryMorePlease template, only disguised as an "useful" tip. If there was a useful tip to begin with, you managed to destroy and overshadow it with all your replies to Cyberbob with that template. If you want to use them on user talk pages, FINE, but do not clutter administrational pages because you feel proud of your creation. And yeah, there's precedent about people deleting and/or replacing flagbox templates with links in order to avoid the clutter and drama they create: do not always think that you're the exception to the rule. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 14:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- You suck. Stop whinnying and go away. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 15:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- That's the best answer you could come up with? If you can't counter my argument, or do not wish to do so, stay out of the discussion please. I do not want drama, and you're generating it like sweat. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 16:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- There wasnt an argument there. There was a semi-coherent whine. The closest thing to an actual argument in there was regarding its being a flagbox template, and it drawing attention to itself. But thats the idea. Its meant to do that. Thats why i made it a flagbox. The rest of it is some vague accusations regarding what you think my motivations are and the fact that i created it (Which is totally irrelevant). The discussions where it was used on Cyberbob, both on my talk page and on the A/VB talk page were because he was trolling. He was strained by all the rl shit going on and lost his cool, jumped to a few conclusions and made a few regrettable mistakes. Doesnt make what was being said any less trollish, including attempting to rehash an argument that had already been hashed out a month earlier, and doing so in an accusatory nonconstructive manner. Now, id like to ask why you have suddenly gone more toxic and vile than i have ever been. You arent still sore about what happened to you when i came back, are you? You have been becomiong more and more worked up over time as i rebuff your runs on me since then. Perhaps a vacation is in order? --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 17:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- "More toxic and vile"? I haven't been in any kind of heated discussion for a month or so, much unlike you I must mention, yet you still have room to make your accusations... I'll ignore them the same I'll ignore any other kind of merit-lacking potshot you take. You yourself made a lot of guesses and mind-reading, not only over me but on Cyberbob as well (and I'm convinced that he wouldn't like to know that YOU from everyone on this wiki are doing that). And why your "friendly" advise to take a vacation seems everything but friendly? Maybe because of your latest screw-ups with Vista? Thanks but nope, I'm fine as I am.
- No more dissertations about everyone motives, ok? You invited me to use this talk page after all... the least you can do is answer my concerns, not avoid them and talk about every other person you don't like. The template IS being used in a dramatic manner even when used on administrational pages, as I pointed out on the link above, attracts unwarranted attention to itself, and makes an implicit accusation to the user it may be aimed to ("You're feeding the troll"). As I pointed out, it has been used and will presumably continued to be used on a way that the CryMorePlease template and this one are completely interchangeable without altering it's meaning, and basically stirring drama even if it wasn't it's placement's purpose to begin with (but I couldn't possibly know everyone's -including yours- past and future intentions in the first place). There are many more ways to ask a person "not to encourage an undesirable response", and it's obviously that an accusation withing a flagbox template is one of the more dramatic ones that can be accomplished without commiting vandalism in the attempt. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 19:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- You know, this discussion wouldnt be happening if it had been another person who made the template, and another person who posted it. The template is a public service template, to alert people to the fact that X is trolling, and keep that in mind when formulating their responses. The "Cry More" template is provocation, and so different from this template i cannot begin to understand how a person could consider the two analogous without having a head full of loose and frayed wiring. It should be noted that for all your protestations about the possible drama this template "will cause" it should be noted that in the two months it has been in use, the only person to stir up drama regarding its use is yourself. There is no accusation directed at people in telling them they are feeding a troll. There is, quite naturally, the accusation thata person is trolling, however in every case this is upheld by the contents of the post that has been subject to the template. Your "problem" with the template is not with the content of those posts so marked, or the nature of the template itself, but your assumption of my underlying motives for the creation and use of this template. It is the only ground upon which i can both understand your "concerns" such as they are, and still retain the assumption of your sanity. It is because of this, as well as the fact that you have repeatedly attempted and failed to make runs at me over the last several months, growing more bitter each time, that i believe you need a time out. But what the hell, if you really, really want a fight, who am i to stop you? Id just like it to be known that you are the one trying to start it, not me. As for your reference tow hat happened with Vista, anyone who takes a look at what happened will easily see you are full of shit, i see no need to bloat this post with an off topic discussion on that matter. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 19:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Please, didn't you see that when I removed the template that one single time I removed not only the one you added, but another one as well, added by Honestmistake if I'm remembering this right? Are you blind to everything that happens outside of your little circle, or it's just that when it doesn't happen within an inch from yourself then your huge arrogance and ego overshadow everything? The "Cry More Please" template is being used as an example as "one of the most provocative flag templates around", because some of it's placements made people realize how out of place they were on administrational pages (mostly on the Amazing dramafest) and they started deleting and/or turning them onto links. I did the same, yet you whine "it's because you have something against me". No one was stupid enough until now to add flagboxes templates into administrational pages! That's why I didn't do the same in the past: because there wasn't a chance! Stop trying to make everything personal, stop thinking in that celf-centered manner and let's have a chat about the template. Please. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 19:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Y'know, you would look a lot less silly if it werent for this. Take a look at that thar timestamp. I am using it as a notificational template. You are whining about it, and grasping at straws to attempt to make it seem like you have a point. Guess what: Repeating yourself ad nauseam wont make its use any less correct. It is a template intended to be used to call out trolling and get people to sease and desist their responding to said trolling. It cannot be used to exacerbate drama unless greivously misused, then again, the same could be said of any other template on this wiki. The way you have brought this up, and the way you have conducted yourself throughout this exchange clearly shouts that you are unconcerned about its drama potential. If you were then you would not be attempting to stir up drama with this, and instead be conducting yourself in a calm and reasoned manner. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 20:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Please, didn't you see that when I removed the template that one single time I removed not only the one you added, but another one as well, added by Honestmistake if I'm remembering this right? Are you blind to everything that happens outside of your little circle, or it's just that when it doesn't happen within an inch from yourself then your huge arrogance and ego overshadow everything? The "Cry More Please" template is being used as an example as "one of the most provocative flag templates around", because some of it's placements made people realize how out of place they were on administrational pages (mostly on the Amazing dramafest) and they started deleting and/or turning them onto links. I did the same, yet you whine "it's because you have something against me". No one was stupid enough until now to add flagboxes templates into administrational pages! That's why I didn't do the same in the past: because there wasn't a chance! Stop trying to make everything personal, stop thinking in that celf-centered manner and let's have a chat about the template. Please. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 19:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- You know, this discussion wouldnt be happening if it had been another person who made the template, and another person who posted it. The template is a public service template, to alert people to the fact that X is trolling, and keep that in mind when formulating their responses. The "Cry More" template is provocation, and so different from this template i cannot begin to understand how a person could consider the two analogous without having a head full of loose and frayed wiring. It should be noted that for all your protestations about the possible drama this template "will cause" it should be noted that in the two months it has been in use, the only person to stir up drama regarding its use is yourself. There is no accusation directed at people in telling them they are feeding a troll. There is, quite naturally, the accusation thata person is trolling, however in every case this is upheld by the contents of the post that has been subject to the template. Your "problem" with the template is not with the content of those posts so marked, or the nature of the template itself, but your assumption of my underlying motives for the creation and use of this template. It is the only ground upon which i can both understand your "concerns" such as they are, and still retain the assumption of your sanity. It is because of this, as well as the fact that you have repeatedly attempted and failed to make runs at me over the last several months, growing more bitter each time, that i believe you need a time out. But what the hell, if you really, really want a fight, who am i to stop you? Id just like it to be known that you are the one trying to start it, not me. As for your reference tow hat happened with Vista, anyone who takes a look at what happened will easily see you are full of shit, i see no need to bloat this post with an off topic discussion on that matter. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 19:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- There wasnt an argument there. There was a semi-coherent whine. The closest thing to an actual argument in there was regarding its being a flagbox template, and it drawing attention to itself. But thats the idea. Its meant to do that. Thats why i made it a flagbox. The rest of it is some vague accusations regarding what you think my motivations are and the fact that i created it (Which is totally irrelevant). The discussions where it was used on Cyberbob, both on my talk page and on the A/VB talk page were because he was trolling. He was strained by all the rl shit going on and lost his cool, jumped to a few conclusions and made a few regrettable mistakes. Doesnt make what was being said any less trollish, including attempting to rehash an argument that had already been hashed out a month earlier, and doing so in an accusatory nonconstructive manner. Now, id like to ask why you have suddenly gone more toxic and vile than i have ever been. You arent still sore about what happened to you when i came back, are you? You have been becomiong more and more worked up over time as i rebuff your runs on me since then. Perhaps a vacation is in order? --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 17:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- That's the best answer you could come up with? If you can't counter my argument, or do not wish to do so, stay out of the discussion please. I do not want drama, and you're generating it like sweat. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 16:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
The template itself feed trolls, but reminds people not to feed 'em in the future. Nuff said. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 20:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
