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| == [[User:The Rooster/Sandpit/7]] ==
| | Is the bot still alive? I've been updating some of the talk pages. Please respond. --[[User:Gmoney|Gmoney]] 09:04, 25 February 2012 (UTC) |
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| Maybe we could get some sort of project going? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :That was the general idea, though I'm not entirely sure where to start. I'd like to get something set up so that it gets maximum attention, preferably with a nice block on the main page. Though that's beyond even my generally bold editing of things, and also my user rights of course.
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| :I'd be happy to see a project created, but it would need a little time with a few users helping out to set everything up properly, and then a big intrusion onto the main page and general wikispace to try and get the community ball rolling. I wouldn't want to waste my own effort, and especially other user's, setting it up only to have nothing happen. [[Project CP]] was a good idea, but CP being the generally deserted area that it was, and the lack of any mission to get people involved again means that the community portal continues to be a generally deserted area. I'm aiming for all or nothing here, and nothing isn't an option. As a reasonably active but almost all behind-the-scenes user, I'm not that well known or particularly influential. Yet here I am, with a backwater sandpit page, pondering nothing less than one of the biggest shake ups in the wiki in recent times. You can see my predicament and general pessimism at this working by now, I hope. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 00:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Wiki news could help with visibility, but it can only be up there so long. Something large and noticeable would be great, but I don't know where that would fit into the main page. Speaking of the main page, it could probably do with a redesign. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Yeah, I'm kinda thinking of a new entity entirely. A nice, permanent, fixture on the main page. Highlighting all the interesting stuff happening. Like I note on my list, maybe an article of the week and/or article in need of help of the week. Wiki news would be a section of it, and the 'Community Portal' (or something else if renamed) would be the general one-stop shop for finding out which wiki-maintenance projects are going on, what ideas people are proposing for new pages, and for getting help in getting pages updated more. It would also be the place to suggest big changes on the wiki, because I envisage it as being a place where users will check a lot. An entry in the wikinews if the project starts would suffice in trying to attract a few users. The first thing we could attack would be a redesign of the main page, to include whatever 'Community Portal' block we'd like, and whatever other changes people might be after. (I'm guessing you have some to suggest, since you mentioned it) Once done, the main page gets updated, and the general invasion of the wiki starts. I'm really am talking about a big attempt to get a proper community spot set up, no half measures. I am probably being somewhat insane. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 01:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::I have a few ideas for a new main page and how to set things up. I'm thinking Urban Dead themed with the colours and style and all, something different from the common Wikipedia-like look to main pages. I'll be gone for the weekend however, so don't expect anything yet. :O --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::When you guys get the ball rolling, you can count me in. --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 06:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Sure thing Maverick. Anyway, Gnome I did a little test and found there was 821x550 room on the page in IE, fullscreen for the most common res of 1024x768. Obviously you can have more than 550 height, but that's gonna be in the scroll down region for most people. So if you design it with that in mind, you'll probably be able to get a page that makes the most of the space without too big a cramp. The current version does have some obvious points for improvement, like the 95% width of tables could be 100%, the wiki already gives a margin, no need for extra. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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| [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sandbox3|I started it]], but I don't like rounded borders. Annoying to code, looks fugly etc. It's at a rough outline right now.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |
| :The rounded corners can go, as an IE user I can't even see them. All the pages here seem fine without them and all the places I've see the code I can't imagine actually add much since the page looks fine anyway. The other places I've see it are coder idiocy because they wanted 'teh kool korners' and didn't think about if it was actually a smart idea. Your page looks fine to me without them, and probably better than with since everything tessellates nicely. Also, it matches the UD style better. Coding wise, three things jump out off the bat.
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| :*You can lose the br clear bit I think, just leave a gap. It seems to work fine and also allows there to be a nice gap.
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| :*Border wise, I'm pretty sure there's a way to compact the code that might be applicable here. I think it goes something like "border-something: 10 3 10 3;" where each number relates to each border, revolving clockwise from left I think. Might also be possible for padding.
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| :*Drop the divs, it doesn't allow you to set spacing between the two sections properly. Nested tables are probably nastier to code by can give the correct result.
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| :{{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 13:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I'm good with tables, oddly. Updated.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Well that took care of all the points I had pretty neatly, didn't it? I like it very much. I made a couple of minor fixes. (Well one, the v-align for news, in case the CP bit is ever taller, otherwise little). May I also congratulate you on some wonderfully obfuscated code at the bottom, that's brilliantly evil. Onto the more subjective stuff:
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| :::*Do you think it's worth keeping the current header, that shows the latest game update and the logo? I don't think it's worth repeating what the main site says for its header anyway, but I feel the page is lacking a focus point at the top...maybe just inserting the logo in the top left of the introductory text box?
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| :::*What other links are you planning to include? I don't think we need the same amount of insane links as now, but there's room for a few more. I think keeping a few of the important map/information centre links would be good. [[Suburb]] definitely, maybe also the [[MIC]]/[[MPM]] and [[NIC]]/[[NT Status Map]]. I prefer the maps, but the IC's are good too.
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| :::What do you plan on transcluding? I assume the CP and news sections, anything else? Finally, any thoughts on what to stick in the CP bit as a place holder until it's decided what we should actually have there? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 20:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Updated the top part with <font face="cracked">Urban Dead</font>, let me know if the cracked font doesn't work or if the alignment looks wonky, we can always switch it for an image. I agree though, less links are needed for the site nav at the bottom. Maybe projects, or community activities should be in the CP section? Things that aren't normally announced in the wiki news section, but deserve a notice. Also, yep CP & Wiki News will be template, that's it though.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::Yeah, font doesn't work for me, you'd have to stick to something standard anyway, or else use an image. Link wise I've had a thought, if the links tend to be ones that link to the other stuff (IE: Administration links to all the various admin bits, and the BIC links to all the maps and other status information) then you can cut down a lot, while still providing a leap pad to get to places. I agree that current community projects would make a good bit for the CP section, though no doubt that'll be expanded upon somewhat. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Image it is then. Think the wiki news section needs little aesthetic boxes like the site navigation section at the bottom?--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Sounds good, go for it. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| I'm thinking these links for the site navigation part:
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| *[[:Category:Character_classes|Character Classes]]
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| *[[Suburb|Map of Malton]]
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| *[[Guides:A Beginners Guide to Urban Dead|Info for Beginners]]
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| *[[Suggestions|Suggestions Portal]]
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| '''Wiki Information'''
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| *[[Wiki Questions]]
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| *[http://www.urbandead.com/stats.html Game Stats]
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| *[[Urban Dead IRC Channels]]
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| *[http://www.urbandead.info/ Iwitness]
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| *[http://profiles.urbandead.net Searchable Profile DB]
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| We could probably do with some obvious in-your-face general starter guide like on what's on the main page now. Feel free to edit the list. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :I made only a few additions and changes, you basically got everything I would've added. Do you plan on indicating that external links are external? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Mmm, I don't know. I don't like the little blue box things. I could change the colour of it, maybe. Should it be indicated? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Updated. The site navigation looks nice, but it feels off balanced because of the cities. It could be compensated by adding stuff to the other 3 sections, or moving the cities elsewhere? Would it be a good idea to put the game updates somewhere? Seems silly not to have them, but I'm not sure where to put it. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 01:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::I feel the cities should be included, maybe a mention of them at the end of the intro? "The main city of Urban Dead is [[Malton]], but outbreaks have been seen in the cities of [[Monroeville]] and [[Borehamwood]] too." or something like that? Hmm.
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| ::::External link wise, I've never been a fan of the system either (Though it's the lighter text that annoys me). Normally, I would say you should indicate them as a matter of continuity, but in this case, the only external links are under the aptly named 'External Links' section, and so people should expect them even if the usual symbol isn't there. I think you can get away with it. Also, if you wish to be very pedantic about the section heights, you could add a link to the Community Portal under Wiki Info. Slightly redundant, but it makes everything a nice 6 links tall. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 18:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::Added the latest news section. Other than templating the news sections and CP, all we have left is the Community Portal. I'm not sure what should go there. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Maybe just make a small list of active projects until we get something better set up. The Great Suburb Group Massacre is definitely a good example. 'A Tale of Undead Cities' is a reasonably good one. Should probably have one more to fit the rule of three...maybe a quick mention of the UHUB having recently come online? I'm think basically the name and then a quick description (might even be able to use the 'aesthetic tables' like the News and section lists) EG:
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| *[[The Great Suburb Group Massacre]] - To keep the wiki up to date, [[groups]] have been queried as to whether they are still active, you can help out in the maintenance effort. If you're part of an active group, make sure you confirm it as active before the 27th February!
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| *[[A Tale of Undead Cities]] - An organization effort to clean up, improve and revamp the three city pages about [[Malton]], [[Monroeville]] and [[Borehamwood]]. Help discuss ideas and add your own suggestions for improvements.
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| *[[User Hub]] - Recently implemented, the user hub allows you to search for users on the wiki more easily. Bookmark it, and come add your name.
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| Is the tone suitable? Also, you probably want to write something about the user hub, I've made a right hash of that one. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 02:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :CP updated. I've been scouring other wikis to see what they do with their main page. I think what we have now is fine and we can always add something later. Other than the templating, does it look good to go?--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Looks fine and dandy to me sir, and it works an utter treat on smaller resolutions too. The only minor things I can spot are:
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| ::*Your edit link for the news has a case error, it should be 'Wiki '''N'''ews' not 'Wiki '''n'''ews'.
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| ::*You need a proper article in the spotlight. Either that and you need a proper description for the example page. Hehe. You could always be a bit cheeky and have: "Main Page - Our main page has just received a really nice redesign, go check it out!". Ok...maybe not.
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| ::Last time the main page was changed, a vote was called on its talk page, is that what you are planning to do? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Hmm, I can't think of anything new or amazing that would go under the spotlight, except perhaps the redesigned [[Suggestions|suggestions portal]]. Perhaps an article needing work? For implementation, I was thinking of sneaking it under the radar through [[A/PT]], may require a few bribes though. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::We can work on what to include in the CP bit in due course. You could just ditch that bit for now, it'll be back I'm sure. As for a 'sneaking' it through A/PT...that's a joke, right? I'll go up the Drama template to 'wikigate' in preparation... {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::I'm totally serial. But seriously, I suppose a little announcement and some discussion on the talk page couldn't hurt. Yarp?--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Indeed. I'll swing by and put down my vote once you've announced your little redesign. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 00:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Will do. Something else we might be able to add is that 'coders central' thing, and projects like [[Project Mentor]]. Anyway, deal with that later. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 00:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
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| | Hey, how do you make user boxes? --[[User:Suburb 22 Zombies|Suburb 22 Zombies]] 03:37, 17 April 2011 (BST) |
| Updated with a white background. Anyways, I've got something going on at the bottom. Few things: the rounded borders can be done with images, the Urban Dead can be an image urban dead themed thing, and the links are just placeholders (the most important stuff will go there). What are you thinking? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :I'm slightly lost. I get the white thing for those who don't fancy the green. But I have no idea what you're getting at with everything else. What are you after? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 14:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::The bottom [[User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sandbox3#hmm...|hmm...]] section. The edges can have rounded borders with images (so people using IE can see it). The words Urban Dead could probably something better, an image. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::I thought you meant rounded borders worked on images. Heh. Ok, so this random section, is this a third page variant in progress or what? At the moment you're just throwing random musings at me and I don't know what you're trying to achieve. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 15:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::I'm not sure yet either. It's another attempt, like the current main page except it has some changes. The redundant Frequently Asked Suggestions bit can have important links to go through right off the bat, while the rest of the navigation can be at the bottom. See [[DHPD]] for the rounded image corners. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 15:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::If you're going to use images you can have it look like whatever you like. No need to limit yourself to rounding corners. Beveled corners. Some gradients. Pictures of things. All sorts of stuff. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Good points. I like the idea of having little iddy biddy images for titles, like <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Main_Page Evelopedia]</span>.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Yeah, they're alright. I was also thinking, since a few people seem to be against change in general, might it be worth just trying to rearrange and fix the current page to fit in the CP and make other minor fixes? It is mostly just layout problems, especially when it's scaled up. Could it be worked around? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::It could be. The very first Urban Dead title could retain it's shape, but I'd like less height and be able to incorporate those most-important links to the side. The latest news may need to go somewhere else, or be shifted. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::Updated. Perhaps with some better alignment, latest news could be put under those links in a white rounded box? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::Yeah maybe it could, give it a go. As far as just messing the current page around: Yeah, the main header is too big, the image can be scaled down too. I was thinking having the introduction take up the full width after that, with the CP and news side by side below that. Then the current navigation below that. The news takes up too much width to be floating in the intro's space. I'll go usurp the [[Sandbox]] for some test editing. My sandpit is beyond overused. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| [[Sandbox|Usurping complete]]. If I can hack that together in a few minutes then no doubt a proper setup can no doubt be made. I had to subst the wiki news somewhat in order to get rid of the fixed width it's set to. Letting the browser deal with the width's helps to kill the whitespace somewhat. The news box template is a bit messy to say the least, and I'm sure more can be done to get it to align seamlessly. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Updated with the links, probably needs better alignment. I like a lighter green, but the logo background will need to be changed. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | Does it need to be case sensitive? Lots of people tend to make the first letter upper-case. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 00:30, 26 April 2011 (BST) |
| :Well, it's one possible way of cleaning up the nav bit. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 21:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | :I made a change so that whichever case is used during the update, it is converted to lower case for the purpose of {{tl|Mall Logo}}. See [[User:DangerReport/Bale Mall]] and [[Bale Mall]]. The former has upper case Ruined, yet the Bal Mall logo is the correct logo (ruined). ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>00:57, 26 April 2011</sub> |
| ::Perhaps it could do those silhouettes behind the 9 links at the top right? For the old main page design, perhaps it could be made of use on the [[Community Portal]] page? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | ::Gotcha. So it converts all of the text to be lowercase. Nice. :D --{{User:Akule/sig}} 01:06, 26 April 2011 (BST) |
| :::I don't think we need them behind the links, it won't add much there given the lack of room and the fact there are links in the way. I can whip up a transparent logo for you though. As far the the CP goes, one page at a time, eh? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | :::Yeah it converts the result of {{tl|DRstatus}} to lower case. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>01:16, 26 April 2011</sub> |
| ::::Of course. Oh, I can easily make text on images. Click the H in my sig. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::I'm not doubting you can put the links in front of the image. I'm saying doing so would look weird and that adding the image behind wouldn't add anything. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Mmkay. Anything else to add? I'm not fond of the colour scheme for the wiki news section. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::You're right, it looks really wrong, especially given the white background. Maybe two light shades of grey? Also, the Community Portal bit, even if just a placeholder, also needs fixing up. Up to you how to tackle that. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Chucked the transparent image up. I need to know which fonts to use to be honest, the bottom part looks off since the background was deleted from around it, and the top part I had to use a close font match since it wasn't going to come out ok otherwise. SO it's not an exact copy this. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | |
| ::::::::Yeah, it looks kinda faded. I'll give Kevan a shout, maybe. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::Updated. Rounded borders on the bottom of CP and Wiki News, they're fatty thick because that's the only way I could get the curved edges to work only on the bottom. Is the interchanging colours in the Wiki News part better? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::Yeah, the colour interchange is better, and I'm impervious to ye rounded corners so I'll take you word on that. The only probably is when I shrink the window, and the news seems to be set to have it's overflow cut off rather than forcing the nav bit down. Is that intentional? The CP section is likely to get a lot bigger once we have some idea what to put in it, which will likely solve the news problem. I can't imagine it'll create too much of a whitespace issue, we'll see I guess. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 13:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::I can set it to a set width for the Wiki News section. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::::<s>Oh dear lord no! Leave it up to the browser so it can divide up the news and CP as it likes and cut down on the whitespace. I had to remove the fixed width in my initial muck about because it just leaves the CP with a big gap underneath since it gets to absorb most of the screen width on bigger resolutions. I'm actually not too worried, like I said, I'm sure the CP bit will be longer in most cases anyway. For completeness though, would a br:clear thingy do the job? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)</s>
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| :::::::::::::Ok, so your magical coding means that when ''you'' set it to a fixed width, it works just bloody fine. Ignore my nonsense. :P {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 16:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::::{{*}}Wiggles fingers* Magik. Well, I got nothing significant to change. The links might need altering in the Nav, but we can let the rest of the peoples decide that through discussion. All that's left is figuring out the rounded images for the corners. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::::::Can I assume you want them at all the places you currently have the rounded code? I can knock up some with the radius's specified, they'll be a fixed colour which is a downside. ''Unless'' you want to be cheeky and have the inverse made white. That would cover the corner of a rectangular box and you could change the colour if ever needed then, it just relies on a white background being the default instead. Have I made sense there? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 18:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::::::Hmm, either or. It shouldn't matter. I'd just start with the first Urban Dead header part block thing, then we can go from there. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 18:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::::::::<s>The bottom doesn't want to work. I can't get it centered properly without pushing everything else up, or giving way to the upper right. Could you combine the upper left and lower left & upper right and lower right?</s> --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::::::::Oh you... --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC) | |
| :::::::::::::::::::Gotta love divs :) Are you getting a colour mismatch though? I had it mismatched originally, and reuploaded after making sure the saved file had the right colour, but somehow I've got a different colour on my screen. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::It looks off in Safari, but fine in Firefox. Except what you have with the image alignment doesn't work in Firefox. Might I suggest combining the upper right and upper left etc like [http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnTunes:Main_Page looks like here]? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::Well, I still don't see why the colour refuses to match up, I swear the server is toying with my images. And if the divs won't work on FF, we better drop em unless there's a workaround. Can't have a main header of fixed width since the table is variable width. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC) | |
| ::::::::::::::::::::::Mmm. Go for fixed height instead? Things may be screwy if Kevan decides to update the game, though nothing else comes to mind. The problem with FF is the curvy images are placed on top/under the background, instead of over it. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::That's easily fixed with z-order. I'll add that in. I'll have to do some investigation of the colour issue another time. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::No change. [[:Image:Main_page_problem.png|this is what it looks like]]. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :Tried that. While I can align it properly in FF, it'll make it wacko in other browsers... I'll put it back the border radius. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 20:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Yeah, tis probably for the best. I'll go get the images speedied. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 20:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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| == The Great Suburb Group Massacre, 2009 ==
| | Oh god. This makes things ''worse''! {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:40, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | :The wiki update, I take it? --{{User:Akule/sig}} 22:47, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | ::Accepting uppercase input. Basically breaks a dozen other templates if it's used. But it's hardly world-endingly bad. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 22:50, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | :::It makes for some unusual problems, as people can make variant group names just by altering case. Such as [[The dead]] or [[the dead]] or [[tHe Dead]] or [[the DEad]] (the actual group is [[The Dead]] or [[the Dead]]). --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:01, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
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| | Nonono. I mean accepting "Ruined" v "ruined" in the template. Long story short, probably all the templates in [[:Category:DangerReport Formatting Templates|this category]] would also need this fix which honestly is more effort for maintenance than users just getting it right. |
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| :Hmm, I had just followed suit based on some earlier posts. Could go back and link it I suppose, though it's not too much of a worry since all they have to do is respond on their talk page. I'll go back and link when I get the chance. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 20:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
| | I didn't mean anything regarding the wiki update. Names have always been case sensitive as I recall, so that's nothing new. (The automatic redirect regardless of the first letters case was also there before) {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:06, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | :I pointed the problem out to people, so Vapor formatted the base template to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template%3ABuildingStatus&action=historysubmit&diff=1881400&oldid=1527038 automatically lowercase the status]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:21, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
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| ::OK, cool. Just wondering. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 20:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC) | | ::Yes, I realise that the BuildingStatus & Mall Logo templates now accept uppercase input. I am saying this is a ''bad'' thing. |
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| | ::I'm saying it's less effort for user to just correct it if they do it wrong (which they'd notice with a broken image link) then to apply the lowercase logic on all templates that access the status in some way. |
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| | ::Take a gander at [[Special:Wantedtemplates]], you'll notice several templates with an uppercase status being requested, and they don't exist so there'll be derped results somewhere. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:30, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | :::Ah, gotcha. I didn't realize it caused other breakages. Can we go through the rest of the templates to fix them to make them as derp proof as possible? I only ask because I imagine that the people who will not care about the casing will make more work for those of us who do care in the long run. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:40, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | ::::Well... if it really matters in the long run... then yeah. I'll get around to it. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:52, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
| | :::::Whenever you can is fine. I had just originally brought it up as various users (mainly new ones) kept breaking the various status templates when [[The Dead 2.0]] swept over the land. I didn't want to end up changing them, as I don't have a strong understanding of wikicode. Thank you in advance. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 23:59, 2 June 2011 (BST) |
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| Do you think it would be possible to program a bot to work off the user list and add the welcomenewbie template to all new user talk pages automatically? The template will need altering if this can be done, but I'd thought I'd check with you if it's viable before planning that. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :It'd definitely help, and it gets rid of the user provided WN spam.--<font face="Rage italic"><span style="color: DarkMagenta">Suicidal Angel,</span> [[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkGreen">Help</span>]] [[Project_Mentor|<span style="color: Black">needed?</span>]]</font> 23:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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| '''This section of the conversation was tactically lasered from orbit due to: ''Irrelevance'', later followed by ''juvenile bickering''. Go whine about each other on your own pages, mmmkay? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}}'''
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| :Is there a way to go through the user list and only pick out "newbies", rather than users without talk pages, that may be long abandoned?. Perhaps [[Special:Contributions/newbies]] may be a better page to work on? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 01:44 17 February 2009 (BST)</small>
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| ::Well we know that bots can work from ''current time'' as they can do updates based on time with danger reports, so if we tell the bot to start from X time and give every user that is created after that time a template (with a line of code telling it not to repeat itself of course) we should be fine. The only thing that will need to be done to prevent duplication will be to tell users not to add the template any more, provided the bot is running often enough to cover newbies. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 01:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| :::[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation|Already done]], tell users they are adding the template in error as it's duplicating an already existing wiki function, that text I linked appears to all new wiki accounts when they first load a page.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::While the current text based wall of doom method is pretty high on the insensitivity scale, having an automated script do it really takes the biscuit. Whatever happened to people just leaving a nice message, anyway? {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 12:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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| == Rooster ==
| | So you're back. I thought you'd be gone forever. |
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| | I must admit, I'm quite ashamed of it myself. You ''did'' gave me the EMR Bot before leaving, but I never got the chance to use it, test it, or even learn it for that matter. I've been thinking ''"I must do it, for The Rooster is gone and no one else can"'' for months, but never bothered to run it even once, until the page clogged up and I had to move some old EMRs elsewhere. |
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| [[User:Rosslessness/Random Rambling/Sandbox32|A quick initial purge]] of the current navigation. Several of the pages left can be lost if they are referred to on other pages, (the lexicon if mentioned in chronicles for instance.) I'll sort that out tomorrow, anything I got read of that you feel is needed? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | | You can find those EMRs, archived from October 29th to November 30th, at my [[User:Kittithaj/Sandbox#EMRP:_Reports_to_Process|Sandbox]] page. Thank you for returning and working with them. And sorry I couldn't/didn't do something with them. -- [[User:Kittithaj|Kittithaj]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (BST) |
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| :How opinions differ. I like the creation of the cities bit, but otherwise I would've had a different list to a some extent. I would've kept some of the more useful external links. Namely: stats, forums, IRC and IW. I would've dropped more from Player Info, namely: Lexicon, Chronicles, and historic groups/events. The first two are long abandoned and the latter two are of lesser interest. Wiki Info. Drop the Style Guide (until not horribly outdated, anyway) and keep Wiki Questions & Help (even if outdated, it's useful to some extent). | | :Ah no worries, if nothing else you'd kept an immaculate log that would've done the job just fine anyway. I checked your backup and I did process all of those reports so they're safe to nuke. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 07:20, 4 June 2011 (BST) |
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| :That's just my opinion of course. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | | I posted a question on the [[Talk:EMRP:_Reports_to_Process]] talk page but I'm hoping that you could answer the question since you're controlling the bot. Should all of the "Reports to Process Later" entries be moved to the "Reports to Process" heading? And should the lone report from Feb 28 then be wiped?--[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 03:20, 4 June 2011 (BST) |
| ::A difference of opinion! Oh noes!! I lost stats, as its listed in the side bar, and indeed linked on the front page every time you log onto urban dead. I also feel that most people find out about the IRC, forums by joining a group? (I don't know about your own experience).
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| ::Lexicon I will drop, I just need to modify chronicles so its linked from there. | | :I answered the talk page. I'll be messing around with the headers a bit until I catch up. No need to worry, just stick everything under "Later" for now. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 07:20, 4 June 2011 (BST) |
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| ::Help, again linked on the sidebar, and [[Wiki Questions]], HAs only been viewed 20,000 times, and was last used in December. I don't think its needed, with FAQ, help and the remnants of project mentor. | | :: Thanks I appreciate the explanation. --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 07:23, 4 June 2011 (BST) |
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| ::I'll bring back Iwitness though. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | | ==Unused Image== |
| | [[:File:1001 Days in Urban Dead.gif]] which you uploaded is currently [[Special:Unusedfiles|unused]] and is subject to deletion if it is older than two weeks. If you wish to ensure that it remains on this wiki then you will need to ensure that it is included in at least one page on this wiki..--[[User:Thegeneralbot|A helpful bot]] 16:45, 14 June 2011 (BST) |
| | :Ironically, including the image is stupid since the wiki thumbnailer breaks horribly. *shrug* {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 12:23, 16 June 2011 (BST) |
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| :::Good points. That's a reasonably good list then, still I doubt that'll suade the many Nay voters. You should inform the Gnome of this list on his sandbox talk I think. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 19:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| Hmm, I thinking the nav boxes should be uniform in color, mmm? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 21:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
| | You're like a zombie, you know that? You disappear, then for strange reasons you rise and shamble and get active again. I would call it curious were it not for your involvement over the years in a browser-based zombie apocalypse game... ... |
| :You're more than welcome to go tweak. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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| == A couple questions regarding you Mobile Phone Mast Bot. ==
| | It's good to see you again, Rooster. ;) --{{User:Maverick Farrant/sig}} 20:43, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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| Greetings Mr. Rooster. I am the creator of the Mobile Phone Mast Coverage template, which is on the [[Mobile Phone Mast]] page. I was wondering if your bot could be made to update my template, and if you could be persuaded to do so. My original idea for the template (before your bot started running again) was that it would serve a few purposes. First, all of the changes would be recorded on the template's history rather than the Mobile Phone Mast page's history, making the Mobile Phone Mast page history easier to dig through. Second, the mobile coverage data could be easily included on other pages (admittedly, I don't know what other page would need it, but I thought it was worth a mention.) The last benefit is a personal aesthetic opinion of mine (and I'm certain I am biased) but I think "operational masts accounted for" is slightly more intuitive than "mapped active network coverage." Anyway, as I said earlier, I was hoping to combine our creations. I realize the benefits are likely small. I don't know the difficulty involved in modifying a bot. So if the difficulty doesn't justify the benefits, or if you just don't want to, then forget I mentioned it.
| | :Thanks :) Although, thinking about it, I didn't play the game much... {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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| | == EMR RtP shutdown == |
| :Yeah, such a change is reasonably easy. The old format of the text was just what was in place at the time, so I followed that. Updating a template would be nicer actually, it would be quicker to load and save. I wasn't going to do it originally since at the time you only had the current coverage, and I thought it best not to lose the data. I'll look into changing the code since the template now has everything.
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| :I have discovered an error recently where it has failed to recognize the timestamp given, but instead of creating an error, just leaves the date set to the default. (00:00 1 Jan, Year 0) and so makes it unknown since this is indeed more than 10 days ago. I traced one report where somebody had dated it manually in a different style. Maybe there were two, or maybe somebody updated not long after it ran? I'll look into it, but I'm not too worried since most people sign properly rather than adding their own timestamp. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 17:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
| | Hi! Just wanted to let you know that because the [[User:ExternalMilitaryReportBot|EMRBot]] hasn't been run in over two years, I'm shutting down [[EMRP: Reports to Process]]. New users still sometimes post EMRs there expecting them to be processed, so I've posted a sign at the top letting them know it's not active. If the Bot returns at some point, feel free to remove the sign and restart RtP. Thanks! {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 13:59, 30 November 2013 (UTC) |
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| :I've had a quick go at the template to clean it up a bit. I've also changed the text to "Actual Network Coverage" and "Known Active Masts" and dropped the discrepancy. I think they're better terms, though hit me with any you think are better than that. If it is fine then I can have the bot updating the template right away. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 23:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC) | | == [[:File:1001 Days in Urban Dead.gif|Thankyou for this.]] == |
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